Suzie

In my ward is usually the Bishop but if he forgets, he makes signs from his seat to the person he wants to offer the prayer.

Well, what I need or not need is something I would like to decide for myself. This is not about a "need", this is about wanting to share a different perspective than the one you seem to want to "hear". Please read post #61 of why this is such a petty issue to me and what are some real "vital issues" going on and heck no, checking on people's chest and wondering if their fake boobs affect the spirituality in the ward is not one of them.

Disobedience to the Prophet? Was it a commandment in the first place? (just curious).

LDS.org - New Era Article - The Precarious Age of Aquarius

An Ensign Article about it: LDS.org - Ensign Article - Searching the Scriptures: What the Scriptures Say about Astrology, Divination, Spirit Mediums, Magic, Wizardry, and Necromancy

Probably she will come around and try to get in touch with you again maybe she won't. Honestly, I think you assume a lot about people's intentions. I put a thread about assumptions in the general board, you may find it interesting. I hope this doesn't count as "lecturing".

Maybe you should follow the advise you gave to Pam. You can use the ignore button.

Well like I said, I would like to have them. I know you don't feel the same way. :) Jumping down your throat? What truth do you speak? It's entirely your preference Cassiopeia and that's okay. However, does not mean it is necessarily the "truth" (the boundaries comment, it is your opinion and perception) and ours to disagree and that's okay too. No need to justify your choice Cassiopeia. Like I said, it is okay for you to feel like that, it's your life. I just do not want you to feel people are "jumping down your throat" just because they disagree with your assessment. :)

Oh wow so you have a faithful VT who you mentioned cares about you and calls you every single time she does not see you in Church AND amazing home teachers who besides going to your home and sharing the message also provide service by fixing your sprinklers! What a wonderful group of Saints! I wish I had Visiting Teachers and Home Teachers like that! I suppose for many the glass is half empty but for others is half full. Count your blessings!

Crazypotato, I think in a lot of threads you seem to share the same opinion. This is a forum where people share their views (positive and negative ones), I think most people know that so when a person chooses to post personal stories they should also expect that not everyone is going to sympathize with their story, not so?. That's human nature. :) The thing is if a person do not sympathize with whatever story, then they are judgmental and harsh. Geez, all these emotional stuff of judging, getting my feelings hurt and being offended are almost in every thread. It's getting old. It would be nice for a change just to focus on the topic. :)

Crazypotato, I am commenting on what it is written. I don't have a crystal ball. :) Of course there are two sides of the story. I am commenting in the exact scenario the OP shared. :)

Ray Bradbury is a genius! One of my favorite writers growing up.

There is nothing that this wife did that caused this man to do what he did. It was his CHOICE and if he is a man he should take responsibility for what he did. Nobody pushes you to the point where you will leave your WIFE sleeping in freezing temperatures in your car and you do not care at all. That's ABUSE. Whether we want to make it sound better by choosing other words, doesn't change the fact. Maybe some people who are in abusive relations themselves may think or rationalize this whole scenario in another different perspective by trying to share the blame but I believe that's just a victim's point of view. "He is not that bad, I am bad too because I made HIM do it...". Nobody has the right to treat another person in this way, no matter what. IMO, of course.

Oh wow, good thing you are not. :) I am not keen about the idea of closing threads because people start getting their feelings hurt or interpret things in the wrong way. If that's the case, why to bother participating in a discussion at all? IMO, as long as everyone is respectful then a good debate (even one with opposite and strong view points) should be welcome. I always say, if someone feels they cannot handle emotionally a thread (for whatever reason) or they do not like people disagreeing with their view point or challenged, then maybe they shouldn't participate in that particular thread and participate in others they feel they can handle. If someone results to name calling or hijacking threads then of course moderators should intervene. IMO, of course.

Completely.

I don't think is so black and white. I believe if a member is acting inappropriately with a minor and I am AWARE of it, definetely will talk to the Bishop about it, I will not wait for the predator to do it. Also depending on the whole story the police would be involved as well.

Hmmmm, Pam wasn't quoting you. She was quoting Jayanna.

Oh I see what you are saying. Well, of course that's just your opinion and I absolutely respect that (actually I am not keen about plastic surgery because most of the time the result hardly ends up looking natural). However, I think the only two points I disagree with you is: 1. Stating that it is a "sin". What is the basis for this? As any other sin, does it require repentance and even confession to the Bishop? Does it stop someone from entering the house of the Lord? 2. Blaming the person making the choice for whatever is happening in the ward. I absolutely disagree with that. In my ward, there are people just like me. Some make better choices than I do, others do not but I wouldn't expect to put the blame on them for my own choices. I am a big woman, not a wimp. Therefore, I would expect to have what it takes to check my own life and see what can I do to improve/change in my OWN personal life than be checking other people's boobs, tattoos or earrings. This is NOT for you but when I read things like the OP, it makes me think lots of people are so disconnected with REALITY. I have lived in different parts of the world where our brothers and sisters suffer hunger, deprivations of every kind, health related issues and so much more... and there are only a few who extent a hand to these sweet souls in those parts of the world and they are so grateful for whatever it is given to them because the pain is big and their suffering long. This is such a petty issue when there are so many URGENT matters. It saddens me that our priorities and thoughts are so screwed up and so self centered that we forget or neglect the REAL purpose of why we are here. The members of this ward I believe need a reality check, go out and do some serious service to people who are truly in need (breast implant sister included) and all those stupid fight over a piece of silocone, over whether is a sin or is not a sin, whether someone offended me or haven't, whether someone gave me a seat or haven't will GO AWAY! It is when we are so concentrated in our own selves and our own little world that we find these issues (breast implants) troublesome. My two cents for what they are worth.

I think you are confusing "defending" with not making a big deal about it.

It seems almost like an obsession. So what about the rich brother who drives he latest porsche to Church? Will he be the cause of contention and "cancer" in the ward after all there are so many poor saints or those who cannot afford such luxury and they may put themselves in debt in order to get one? We do not have control over people's choices but we DO have a choice over our reaction over their choices. If ANYONE feels they have to get a boob job after seeing someone in Church get one, then there is something really wrong (and it has nothing to do with the piece of silicone).

Just curious, are you married? Then with this logic, every woman in the Church should not dye her hair or highlight it, wear jewelry or put make up on.

How weird. Looking at other women's boobs? What is next? The booty? Geez. If they are bothered by it, they are probably staring too much.

Hmmmm but isn't there a difference between being shy and overly sensitive? At least in my observation, I know several shy people and in my experience they are not necessarily overly sensitive. The terms are not mutually inclusive IMO. I agree about being nice, however we cannot expect the other person NOT to feel offended even if no offense was committed (I am talking particularly about overly sensitive people). Sometimes the lightest thing offends them. I think as long as we try our very best and be nice, then we have no control over other people's reaction and perception. That's entirely their choice.

You, big bad FunkyTown guy CRY IRL? Wow, A hero has fallen. The world is coming to an end. Can we now return to the original topic?

Crazypotato, I would love this thread to return to the original topic in a mature way. This is not about me at all, also I do not understand why some of the points shared by others are being taken as a joke? It's kind of odd. I would please ask if we can return to the original topic. Now personally I can take a heated debate in a mature way (LOVE to debate) so as long as we all are respectful of each other (even if we strongly disagree), don't try to deviate the topic by using constant offtopic remarks or constant light jokes and not get all "emotional" about it (which I find annoying) is all great for me. Hope is great for you too as well as others. Suzie :)