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I like this question. I have no desire to make worlds. I could possibly envision myself decorating one... I also have no desire to give birth to millions of spirit children, knowing that a full third of them would be cast out of my presence for eternity, and vast numbers of the remaining ones would never find their way back to me. No wonder God is a male. A mother could never design a plan that would make her part with her beloved children in this way. Very good point!:) Maybe this is why we don't hear much of anything about her/them. A mom will try to help and protect even the most helpless child Its frightening enough now with a family. The odds are not everyone will choose to return. Not remembering choosing this world and seeing the evil around make you wonder what God is thinking But...back to the creation question. You're a scientist Cal. What drives human beings to create? Instinct drives us to propogate our species. After we mastered that, we created tools which gave us an advantage over other species. Next we created (or discovered) fire. Another advantage. After we could tend to our basic needs and became the superior species, we started creating art. I don't think we've really advanced much as a species since then. Our brains are basically the same. Maybe after we die, we will have a great instict to create worlds to fill the void of space. I don't have a problem with that. I look at it as an enviromental issue. Someone should recycle all that stuff floating around out there. Propogation makes sense on this earth in a temporal sense since people would die off. But to keep creating eternal beings? Where do you put them and all the new worlds after awhile? Sometimes thinking of the eternities to indepth is a frightening thing to this temporal mind of mind. What ARE we really hoping for? Will it really be better? Then I go back to faith. If its all a dream then at least I had some delusional comfort .

I can really appreciate that.I've had some instances where I've been so angry I feel like I'm going to blow. I hate to see things going in unrighteous ways Then eventually when the anger subsides I wind back at the start with the knowledge that Heavenly Father is there. He will protect and provide for all the needs. I just have to ask, listen, and wait (sometimes a very long time) but he will hear and answer. I hate the valley of the shadow of death. Those places where you feel like a part is dying or dies. Where things seem out of control. Where you feel as though another has a place to cause harm. The anger and frustration is real and you wonder if you will ever make it through. Sadly there is a piece sometimes left behind in the valley. But hope comes in trust that the plans of God will not be frustrated. That He will be there and cause all things to work for good. Hope that all the pain and anger you feel now will subside soon :)

Yediyd thats too bad that things are going this way . I can only imagine how difficult it must be for your son to understand:( . I'll never fully understand why people do stuff like this myself . Maybe its just too hard for him to deal with. But then why leave you to do it all and leave your childrens heart broken Maybe its better he is out of the picture and you can't contact him. It seems like he doesn't want to be reached or a part of their lives. Do you really want him around just to hurt the kids again? Maybe its for the best-a blessing in disguise? Even with your sons disability he'll probably start to understand and not blame himself for an incident that wasn't his fault. Maybe you guys can try and find some healing? Praying for healing and peace to your house. Especially for your son who has enough challenges handling things

Couldn't help but notice Almom you were still on line and not getting to business. From your post Since I have the same propensity at times I thought I'd have a little fun with you and bring the lesson right to you. You can run but you can't hide. So what about the healing power of forgiveness everyone?

Too cool AlmomB) The Lord does work in mysterious ways What are you trying to do? Didn't you ever learn DON'T EVER ASK THAT QUESTION? lolLook at the endurance levels you've obtained this past week. Stop reading this response and get to work! lol

Just reread this post. The more you push, the more you have fear on a matter the more likelihood it will happen. If you don't show you trust him then you might actually push him to do what you don't want him to do. Pray hard. Go with him. You've already got your cheating escape plan all written up and are showing lack of trust. If you don't control it might you actually push him closer to her to either defend her or because he's sick of hearing about your lack of faith in him?

I have to agree with Ben. Why do you feel so insecure with her . Your husband married you and loves you without a dress. You are able to discuss the situation and what is appropriate and not. It looks like everything is done very openly. She invites you and the family. You go over there together. You've never had any problems with her and she hasn't made any signs that she wants to cause trouble. From the outside, I have to ask for your consideration, are you jeolous? Maybe that is something you have to work on. You mentioned how she had attributes that your husband liked. That you don't. (like getting dressed up) It looks like your husband is walking with the Lord in this matter and is trying to do the right thing. He makes sure you are there. (lack of communication and secrecy would be typical signs of trouble) Keep praying and communicating with each other. Pray for strength, wisdom, guidance and protection. You mentioned an uncomfortability around her. Could some be caused by the mental issues you said she has had and her experiences as a troubled youth? Do you fear her condition? It seems like you don't have a problem here. its important to identify the fear. What is making you so afraid? Ask. The spirit should be able to give you more information. I can't imagine the Holy Spirit placing a fear onto you with no basis for it and no understanding of what to do.

It might not be common but I'm not sure its a bad thing. His praying might draw people to the awareness of their shortcomings and need to repent and find forgiveness. Those who are in tune with the Holy Spirit will really feel the impact of those words and to those not the words will be of no effect. Can't sins be done individually and collectively? Can't a group be swayed to sin to? Sometimes the group will sin collectively. People will do things they normally wouldn't. So forgiveness is a personal thing but can't it be a group thing too? Why can't people publically as well as privately do this? Why can't people collectively repent and seek forgiveness. Your husbands words much like Christs parables might stick out and make people wonder if they find it strange. This wonder leading them to greater understandings

I have looked at this post before. Have enjoyed the humor. Getting to know the cat story. There wasn't really much to say until tonight. Between this post and the MamaCat one being gone I have had this line from a song I learned a long time ago going through my mind. Something from the youth. So this song goes out for MamaCat and Dr. T MamaCat we want you to come back! (we won't let all these bad things happen to you) and for DR T The Cat Came Back Written By: Harry S. Miller (with later folk additions) Copyright Unknown Old Mister Johnson had troubles of his own He had a yellow cat which wouldn't leave its home; He tried and he tried to give the cat away, He gave it to a man goin' far, far away. But the cat came back the very next day, The cat came back, we thought he was a goner But the cat came back; it just couldn't stay away. Away, away, yea, yea, yea The man around the corner swore he'd kill the cat on sight, He loaded up his shotgun with nails and dynamite; He waited and he waited for the cat to come around, Ninety seven pieces of the man is all they found. But the cat came back the very next day, The cat came back, we thought he was a goner But the cat came back; it just couldn't stay away. Away, away, yea, yea, yea (it goes on and on)

What can I do? I'll try looking up talks on the subject of music, maybe that will help... Thanks in advance for any advice you might be able to offer. I'm not sure you can do anything that you haven't already done. If you keep pressing that issue you may wind up making him angry (not want to listen to anything you have to say) or push him farther into it just to spite you. You've made it clear you don't like it and have tried to remedy the problem. He doesn't want to give in. Maybe push the issue of not playing it with kids around? Pushing the issue too much or forcing him to choose right would be just as Satan did:( There is a big variety in Christian music and other. Its surprising he hasn't found something elsewhere with clean lyrics. Has he tried groups like Atomic Opera? I'll have to look at some of the groups we have here. My husband likes the metal music too. I'll have to look through what he has and ask him. Atomic Opera comes to mind from his collection because the name did not fit the type of music at all. I was shocked at first when I saw him with an opera cd. But then I learned the truth! :) lol

Stuff like that doesn't even bring much comfort . Because once you can get yourself into a state of mind to love and forgive your heart just breaks at what a waste of such lost potential and beauty just happened Maybe it could help in the initial stages of letting go of the anger and letting God step in. But then when that dust settles I can't help but hope the person will change as much as possible before its too late and not have to endure the full consequences of their sin. We're just passing through, Vinny!!! Can't we all pass a little faster? It breaks the heart to read continually repeated stories such as yours Yediyd. Such evil

Just had an awful thought, I sure hope your name is not RobbieWinters (Hopefully its just a pen name right? ;) ) or your wife may find out sooner than you'd like and in a way you might not like. She wouldn't just stumble on this site or have friends on it? Guess it just goes to show you never know the day or hour of judgement

I'm going to go with the don't tell her but don't hide it either. If circumstance arises where she asks or you feel that it would be the right time then discuss it with her openly. Don't just do it to clear your conscience or because she might find out someday. There's lots of sins done on this earth all the time not confessed to everyone. What you did may be wrong. A kiss depending on the situation isn't all bad. Your conscience is troubling you about it (as is evidenced by your post concerns) so it was most likely a very bad choice to make. So have you repented? This is the most important question. What safeguards have you tried to put in place to ensure that this does not happen with any other women than your wife? Since you know this is an area of struggle. As others suggested you might want to discuss this with your bishop. I'm not sure it would be good to go straight to your wife in this particular case and circumstance. So far you have gotton away from this woman and moved to a different position. So you have made some positive choices that indicate some repentance. Though you still feel guilt (one price of sin). So then I have to ask what would be the benefit and consequence to telling your wife? How will it affect you and your family? Will it increase good things in your family. I think the harm from telling your family would be much worse than her knowledge of the kiss. Not only could it destroy your marriage but the lives of your children. I do not see anything positive coming out from telling her at this point other than trying to appease your guilty conscience Use your fear of losing your family and guilt to make you more aware of appropriate conduct with woman other than your wife

True believers in christ "are in this world but not of it". I believe its Hebrews that talks of this. Around chapter 11 maybe? The things that make most people going in the world and satisfied fall a lot of times in the category of the flesh and will not be things of the spirit. (Galatians 5) Christians are led by the spirit. The more truth you obtain and learn the harder it will be. Because you will realize how much you are not of this world in some ways and so will others. There will be a discrepancy and you will always struggle to some degree as you walk in faith. You will be confused or have your mind stray to things not of this world at different points and time. Sometimes your mind will get stuck in the now world too. The other world stuff can be too difficult or too much at a given moment. Its tough to keep two world systems straight in one mind :) Theres a correlation between faith and satans attacks. The more faith you develop the easier in some ways because you have more purpose and defintion. But it becomes harder because you become more different from the world. People may isolate themselves from you and you may experience different hardships because of commitments you have made (ie sabbath holy, word of wisdom, temple related stuff). So it will really seem as Satan is attacking you harder. You will recognize things working against you more. That is when you conciously have to choose who will win. What is most important to you. Many christian faiths promote calling on the name of Jesus. It is a way of conciously choosing that path of God and pulling down heavens resources to aide. Trust in God. We don't know all God's ways . We do know however that He is a provider and has asked us to come to Him with our needs. He has our best long term interests in mind. I like where Moses is shown all the things and Satan immediately comes. (POG) Also where Christ was tempted. They put Satan in his place. Satan wanted Christ to choose the worldly thing and not the Godly thing. What will you daily and every moment choose? Some people think of it as a one time choice. Maybe one time every minute or second :) The fact that you are seeing this is not the problem. Just make sure you keep doing what you know to be right. Pressing forward and enduring to the end. Developing Christlike attributes in your life. Carry on .....(singing hymm in head) Try as others said to minimize the stuff you put into your brain. Selectively choose. Prayers go with you

<div class='quotemain'>I believe the Bible, but not literally, and not all of it. I believe we are in the image of God, but so is everything else in the Universe What parts do you believe in and what parts do you not? The good stuff is Godly, the dark stuff is not. What is dark stuff and what is not? Anger and getting mad for can be good. For example think about abusees getting the tar beat out of them or not getting treated like they have anyworth. Should they just be sweet and loving too. Thats not healthy. Sometimes they need to get mad and angry to make changes and say hey I have worth. STOP IT! The lovey dovey lets all get along peace in the world stuff will not help that person. It will stop them up and become a darkness more than going along and being a victim. Also for those who've suffered loss- such as a murder. Anger is a step in the grieving process. It acknowledges loss. The person or thing gone had value. Its how you use the anger that can become troublesome. Anger can be a guide and aide. Like a coin anger has two sides I believe God is a power, not a white-bearded man. To be very honest I could care less what God looks like. I'm sure we'll all find out one day sorry somehow I melded my thoughts into your quotes jason Here this post trying to fix up the last a little and the blending together The good stuff is Godly, the dark stuff is not. What is dark stuff and what is not? Anger and getting mad for can be good. For example think about abusees getting the tar beat out of them or not getting treated like they have any worth. Should they just be sweet and loving too? Thats not healthy. Sometimes they need to get mad and angry to make changes and say hey I have worth. STOP IT! The lovey dovey lets all get along peace in the world stuff will not help that person. It will stop them up and become a darkness more than going along and being a victim. Also for those who've suffered loss- such as a murder. Anger is a step in the grieving process. It acknowledges loss. The person or thing gone had value. Its how you use the anger that can become troublesome. Anger can be a guide and aide. Like a coin anger has two sides I believe God is a power, not a white-bearded man. To be very honest I could care less what God looks like. I'm sure we'll all find out one day Ok it just added it on to the end

We might not ever obtain righteous anger any more than we can completely be perfected in this life. Does that mean that anger is itself bad or would it rather be something that we should learn to master the powers of just as anything else. Use it as necessary as prudent. Just as I may have food storage, weapons etc. They may only be used in rare occasions but they can be used as tools so I believe anger to has its place and usage even only if in rare instances. we should become perfected in ALL things. What parts do you believe in and what parts do you not? How do you pick and choose what you will believe or not. The bible is very clear that everything else was created after their kind but man was created in His Image-woman was taken from man and they were to become one. So I'd have to include the female gender too. Everything else in the universe was not created in the Image of God

Don't you think we were given all our emotions? If they are given to us then wouldn't as any other thing we have been given, there would be good and bad ways to use them. (IOW righteous and unrighteous). If we are created in the image of God then wouldn't he possess emotions too? He would have them properly mastered. Anger isn't all bad. Anger can motivate, express displeasure, identify sin and redirect someone (positive) or it can cause a person to lash out in hatred and harm someone (negative). Hatred is another emotion. We are called to hate sin.

What do YOU think?In my first post here, not worded the best maybe, this was where I was trying to go a little after reading some of your blog. You have to really know and have faith in what you're doing. If you're not sure ask (pray) If you are as sure as you say great :) . Look forward to hearing of your baptism. You are going to have a lot of people who will disagree with your decision . Despite what they say try to keep in mind: Will this church draw you closer to God? why or why not? Will it make you a better person? why or why not? Will it help you to follow your own path? why or why not? Satans way is not to make you better but to hold you back. To make you miserable and not progressing to your full potential. If this church helps you AWESOME! If this is the right path for you don't let anyone stop you! While the LDS church organization is wonderful especially with the restored truths and priesthood, many others have wonderful truths despite missing pieces too (which has probably been the factor drawing you to them). As you've discovered many are missing something. The LDS church as wonderful as it is will still not be perfect since its full of lots of imperfect people, myself included Regardless of claims of being the restored church with all the truths and all you will be offended or hurt at some time during your association with it. Keep this in mind too as you proceed. Always look deeper than church organization to give you the strength and undertanding you need and a continued relationship with God. Follow the path set for you. If the church is true that will be your path and you will know it. You will continue to go back to it no matter who says or does what. Keep searching, praying and walking in faith :)

not something i think i have the time nor is it appropriate to rehash here. it is in reguards to some stake leadership (anyone who knows me knows i usually defend when others start attacking leadership and have commented on how wonderful of leadership we have always had). my husband commented that i was to quick to "judge" the leadership and that my anger was going to lead me to personal apostacy. i have to ask myself if he is right, have i crossed a line. though i do not think his statments are entirely fair or accurate. i critisize and analize myself more than i do anyone. when it comes to conflict i have given and do give many many chances and benifits of the doubt to everyone. but when i draw my line in the sand i have a tendency to fill it with concreat. rosie, thank you for your thoughts. sleeping has toned down the intensity of my feelings for the moment, but i still have a lot to figure out. Don't know your particular situation and am certainly not tryiing to push you to share it -especially online-when your thoughts will probably change on it in a couple of days. Some thoughts for you- Sure anger very might well lead someone to apostasy or it could change things for the better. But I wouldn't fear the anger. The question is which way are you trying to steer that anger? What lies beneath it? How can it be directed? Fearing it will not direct the anger for good. Master the anger :) I think of Christ clearing the temple. Many observing were probably convinced he lost it. But given the knowledge that Christ hadn't sinned though tempted in all things I'd probably go with it being righteous anger. So anger even with religious leaders isn't all bad. After all they are prone to error and sin too. Who knows maybe the authorities need to have their perspective changed on an issue. Your expressions may help them change. Or maybe you can help the situation from outside their influence. How might this situation be used for good? Or maybe God's trying to work on some aspect of you. Most people don't know how to deal with anger and it destroys them . It fills them with hate instead of love. Instead of wanting to help they want to hurt. At the initial stages I have found that anger can be so strong in a situation. Its hard to see anything positive. I think of it as the sand in the lake being kicked up. You can't see for a bit for a while but the dirt and sand. Eventually it settles down though. Don't try making huge decisions in your anger if you can avoid it. Your perspective is not clear. (in the downtime moments, when the storm has past you might think of ways you can handle the next dust storm in different areas) Don't panic-hang in there. Remember you will be tested and tried in all things You've got lots of people out here pulling for you.

.This too shall pass:) You WILL make it through and start feeling other things again. Wonderful emotions. Just don't sit down and quit. What good will that do? Some things that help me- Read positive things-quotes, poems etc (not even necessarily scriptures. Cause when you're that mad sometimes you have to work your way up to the scriptures:) ) If you have none ask. When people see another worked up they do want to help. Its a good way to get these things. Get a good clean comedy video. Something where you don't have to think-just laugh. Keep a special lift you up box full of special things that might help you personally. (Since life can throw a lot at someone get it together now because you might need it another day. If not at least you are prepared) Think about the eternal scheme of things. What YOU can do about it whats making you so mad. If you can do something fine. If not you're going to really have to use your faith, patience and long suffering . Trust in the verses that you will not be given more then you can bear. Worry not for tommorow type things. Repeat them over and over. Seek your DAILY BREAD from God. When all your spiritual food storage is gone You've ultimately got three places to turn to God, Satan, or nobody/back to dust. Best wishes to you. (just to let you know you made my day by sharing that song also don't forget we got the good and bad to deal with right now. Unfortunately your getting hit hard by all the bad stuff .

Also isaiah talks about beating swords into plowshares etc. What things were going to happen. Was this Christs way of saying this was not that time. Christ came and fulfilled a lot of prophecies. Kind of going with what other posters have said was he preparing them for the idea that Isaiahs prophecies would not be fulfilled then as they might be expecting? Christ seemed to have an urgency in his request. More than just an object lesson in the garden where he tells them to put away the sword. Also I don't know that the double edged sword applies here. Open to any and all thoughts

The whole idea of Christ asking his disciples use their money to take swords really hit me for the first time. I've read those verses so many times. For the first time though it really caught my attention. The things you always hear about Christ is peace, atonement and love for the most part. This just seems so out there from all those messages. It just really caught my attention. It paints a different picture (not quite sure yet what the new picture looks like). I realize especially from LDS concepts that we need to provide for ourselves, do all that we can do. So the same would probably be applied to protecting ourselves as able. Its strange to see Christ saying get your weapon. On the other hand aren't we supposed to trust in the Lord to protect us? So many verses and speakers I have heard have spoken to that. Things will go the way that they should. If it was meant for Christ to die a way would have been prepared in the garden where no one would have been able to harm him. We don't need to worry. Just trust. Its a very interesting contrast. Also it might be another piece into the whys of Peters denial. It might have made him more afraid to stick up for Christ. He was already put on guard by Christ asking him to get the sword. Then he sees the saviour taken away. Then he's asked if he's one of Christs followers.... Its understandable why he'd deny. There is interesting symbolism in a sword. I would suggest that if one has a digital copy of the scriptures that they search the scriptures for sword. Pay particular attention to scriptures that use the symbolism of a sword (double edged or turned in more directions than one) in connection to a fire or flame. The Traveler Do you mean this was more a teaching tool? Explain more.

That's great you got to go today Crimson! Glad to hear that your dad is slowly getting better!

LDS answer -Faith and obedience to truths known. Those who never had a chance to hear will be taught. Even though priesthood authority/power was removed from the earth for a time it has been restored again.Any necessary ordinances such as baptisms etc. will be done by proxy (a living person/relative on the earth today. (It binds the generations together our ancestors helped us with giving us physical birth and we can aide them in their spiritual rebirth). Most non-LDS christian faiths, from my personal experience, believe that truth was never really removed in the fullest sense. The apostasy, as presented by LDS is incorrect. A willing, open heart can always find and be reached by Christ. You would as always repent, have faith in christ and try to do His will.

Is Brigham Young a murderer? If people followed his teachings on blood atonement and acted on his words because they they believed it was the right thing to do? If you answer yes to that question.................................. Would Christ be at least guilty of assault then for commanding his disciples to purchase swords and then using them to cut off a guards ear? Christ pretty much put the weapons into their hands.... (Who knows what other things may have been left out or hidden from scriptures. Were there massacres or murders we don't know of? )