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  2. The Great Division of Humanity

    in Current Events

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    8 hours ago, Traveler said:

    I agree with your concept of evolution of sin.  I would suggest that at the root of those turning from the law of Chasity is a propensity for pornography and masturbation.   As these two temptations are embraced there will be no defense for those involved to stand against LGBTQ+ and remain loyal to the law of chastity.

     

    The Traveler

    Oddly, the Law of Chastity was one of the first things I had a very strong testimony of.   

  5. Elder Oaks Tackles a Hard Hitting Question

    in General Discussion

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    29 minutes ago, old said:

    Depends on what they are doing and preaching.  If Bob is coming to Church with his mistress and sits in the front row while his wife with his kids are sitting in the back . . .you better believe Bob should be made to feel uncomfortable and out of place.

    If Bob has committed adultery, but is repentant, knows he has done wrong instead of flaunting it, then yes.  The idea that EVERYONE no matter ANY reason should be comfortable at Church and should be welcome has got to go.

    This.   People willfully don't follow the Prophet then want to be made comfortable with it.  Sorry.  I love you.  I accept you.   I'm probably not going to take advice from you, though.

  6. Elder Oaks Tackles a Hard Hitting Question

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    24 minutes ago, person0 said:

    I've decided to try to just let it go.  I know the Church is true, and I know the Lord has a plan that will not be frustrated.  I can strive to live and teach the truth where I am able, and then just let go the things I cannot/should not control, and trust that the Lord will show me and others the way.  I will strive harder to have the holy spirit with me at all times, to help me be the man I want to be, and more importantly, the man our Heavenly Father wants me to be.

    Despite the evils of the world and the work of the adversary, with Christ's help, I got this! And so do you!

    (Interestingly, it isn't as if most of us don't already know these things, but it is astounding how much angst we can feel to preserve our environment, especially when we see our family, friends, and brethren being torn down by the adversary.  These are truly the last days, and it is becoming more and more clear that learning to navigate them is part of our calling as Latter-Day Saints!)

    I'm not sure what you mean by "let it go".  I'll oppose the adversary and stand for Christ in all places, even on this forum.  Beware of wolves in sheep's clothing.

  7. All the transgender hullaballoo

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    23 hours ago, Ironhold said:

    Local Wal-Mart was still charging full price, and likewise had everything still in place. 

    I don't think anything is budging, either.

    Different laws for different states.  I had a few bars back in the day.  We couldn't do ladies night or happy hour discounts because we couldn't sell alcohol for less than its cost.  

  10. Not sure

    in Support in Hard Times

    Posted · Edited by Grunt

    12 hours ago, Shon Schip said:

    Back in 1983 I was molested by my bishop, I was 14 years old. I thought what he did was normal at the time 40 plus years later I realize it wasn’t. I love The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints I don’t want to bring anything bad to the church but I was deceived. The bishop has passed away. What do I do?

    I suppose "what you do" depends on what you're looking for.  Are you looking to bring light to this?   Are you looking for closure?   Are you looking to find a way mentally past this?

    Given that he's dead, it doesn't seem like there is much that can be done to punish him.   He's answering for his actions already.   I would suggest counseling.  If this is something that affects you 40 years later, only advice would be to find a way to make yourself whole.   

    My prayers are certainly with you today.

  19. Every ward has problems?

    in General Discussion

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    On 3/24/2023 at 1:17 PM, Traveler said:

    Over 40 years ago I moved into what I would call a Mercedes and BMW neighborhood.  Through the years the wife and I have been in 5 wards and all the ward building in our stake.  Since we live in kind of a border place of our upscale Utah stake we have been part of the wealthiest and poorest wards (if you can classify our poorer wards as poor).  Our latest ward has been what I think is perhaps the hardest working and best in providing service.  It is perhaps the greatest ward I have ever been in.

    But our ward has a serious problem and it is trending towards getting worse – much worse.  50% of our ward are retired empty nester families.  There are some exceptions of adult children living with elderly parents.  But the most serious problem is that each year on average our ward acquires 5 new widows that need help – help with their yards, homes, cars and sometimes even just getting to their doctors or shopping.  At the same time, we have on average 5 less brethren to assist.  In addition, every year the average age in the Elders quorum seems to be increasing.  It is not seldom that even some brethren that in the past have been stalwart contributors are themselves needing more and more assistance. 

    The new families seem to be busy with small children.  And it seems that more and more of the healthy older families are being called on missions.  I was talking with my new bishop the other day.  I mentioned that I did not intend to discourage him but I think our ward has problems with no solution and it seems to be getting worse.  I think the problems are getting worse because they are starting to interfere with my skiing and cycling – and in some cases with my wife and I traveling (mostly to visit our children – which we try to do at least once a month for what we think are important family events).

     

    The Traveler

    We have a decent mix, mostly converts.   HOWEVER, I chuckled when I read "Mercedes and BMW".   We were just talking this month how you can always tell it's ward conference by the BMWs with out of state plates in the parking lot.

  22. Southpark

    in Current Events

    Posted

    On 2/22/2023 at 11:56 AM, The Folk Prophet said:

    On a side note: I know many who would claim the exact same for shows like The Simpsons. But I love The Simpsons and think it's fine. So...you know... we all have to judge for ourselves on these things.

    We don't watch Simpsons, either.

  23. Southpark

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    On 2/22/2023 at 11:52 AM, The Folk Prophet said:

    I have a more...conservative thought...

    No one should watch it. Funny is not a virtue.

    I'll just leave this here for everyone's consideration:

    "We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things."

    I'm not trying to just be a stick in the mud. I get that there's a level of balance when it comes to consuming entertainment. I'm not one who says never watch anything that isn't produced by the church or the like. Never read a book that isn't scripture...or something. I'm not suggesting that. I get that sometimes there's going to be something that's more crude than ideal in shows or movies that we can, reasonably, just ignore. But it just strikes me the South Park crosses so far over that line that it really should be avoided by anyone who legitimately seeks after that which is virtuous and is legitimately striving to remove that which is unholy from their lives.

    And since I believe we should all be seeking and striving after such things...well....

    Just my thoughts.

    We don't watch it in our home.

  25. i need help

    in Support in Hard Times

    Posted

    25 minutes ago, The Folk Prophet said:

    If the father wasn't a counselor I'd agree. It's a bit tricky because he is. But it's also a judgment call on the bishops' part. There's no rule I'm aware of that the bishop can't make the determination that this sort of thing needs to be shared with a parent. The parent has the presiding right over their child. In a way it'd be like asking if you shared something with your Stake President could you expect him to not share it with the bishop?

    I could be mistaken. And were it some sort of sin then I think maybe it would be different. But when I was in ward council, we discussed members who struggled with doubts and how we could help them all the time. It's not the same sort of private matter as confessing serious sin to a bishop or the like (which the bishop would, indeed, keep to himself).

    Sure.  It takes reasonable people.  As a counselor, I don't ask my bishop what he talks to my children about.   Were I bishop, I'd ask the counselor if it would be an issue.