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Mhm, but I'd lean more toward the mid twenties. School and Mission are done and you've had a chance to do stuff and even go on a lot of dates by then.

I don't think you know what outrageous means. I figured you knew considering you used the term neckbeard. :thinking: My wife and I have a lot of children and we started later. My wife even finished her University studies and I was able to serve a religious mission. She traveled also to other countries and so did I. Then me met and married. The Lord has protected her and our children. I am grateful I got to do fun things beforehand. I can agree with gator; live life, have fun and then settle down with another person who knows themselves already.

Calm yourself. A milk wagon is not a cow first of all and you fearmongering to get people to marry young is outrageous.

How many kids do you want? If you want to be a milk wagon, by all means, start pushing out babies at 18 yrs old.

lol Thanks Neuro. It's just hard for me, something I have to take to the Lord for sure.

Hey Neuro, Divorce is not illegal or wrong for certain circumstances. Being born out of wedlock doesn't change your genealogical line. The fact that gay couples weren't recognized until the law changed is just bothersome to me. This isn't just about the gays. This changing things as things start changing in the country. examples: - US hates polygamy. Saints quit and ban the practice so all the men don't go to jail and the Temples aren't confiscated. - Civil Rights Movement comes along "Okay, tada, guess what, The Lord says EVERYONE gets the priesthood now!" (Which I am glad because before it was just dumb to begin with, I will inquire of the Lord when I am dead to see what Really happened there. He will be able to help me understand) - Country legitimizes the forbidden and now church recognizes their unions. Why? Is mammon going to confiscate our temples if we don't? Are we going to run and hide again because the gentiles will hates us and kill our men again? How bad we got rocked before has always been a concern to me but I KNOW The Book of Mormon is true. They killed brother Joseph and the Saints lived in fear. Where is the faith? Where is the trust to defend? Then when some saints struck back they are condemned and vilified (meadow massacre) These are confusing times. Even the Pope telling a homosexual man God made him that way is confusing (my family converted to Mormonism from Catholicism but fell away because of circumstances) Troubling times indeed

So what about current polygamist families? Are they allowed to be recorded on family search? What about couples who are just living together? Are they recorded on family search? I am going to have to dive into this and see what is really going on with these records. Even there are issues with proxy work, it is my understanding there are a ton of issues with proxy work for the dead, such as wrong records, people having work done repeatedly and even wrong information being submitted. I wouldn't be surprised if the whole thing gets audited at the second coming and most of it has to be redone.

I have an actively homosexual relative, not sure if he is married yet, nor am I in a hurry to find out. I find it interesting that something that is condemned in the scriptures and entire cities have been destroyed because of it, is being treated so "tolerantly". Just because something becomes legal doesn't mean embrace it or give it place with us. So what is going to happen when people can marry livestock? The mental retardation that is coming as a result of deep spiritual sin in the people is turning our people into a joke. The stench is becoming unbearable and I am afraid the smell is already at heaven's door. It is only a matter of time before the cleaners come. I am afraid there is no place to go now to escape the destruction like Lehi and his family. As a member I am deeply concerned about these changes. I am going to have to pray and fast if this continues to be an issue for me. I want my family to be unspotted from the world and I want them to know their church is actively against the sins of Sodom, Gomorrah, and Pompeii.

I honestly don't feel comfortable with showing my children that two men are married and listed in the church data base as such. I was recently given a task by a religious leader to get into genealogy, with this news it makes me feel uneasy. I am not sure if it is my own feelings but I do not feel all warm and fuzzy about it. In fact, I feel alarmed and cautious about proceeding with the assignment.

My parents and those I have adopted as my parents, ALWAYS give me unsolicited advice. Sometimes they makes sense, sometimes I respectfully thanks but no thanks their ideas but not say it to them directly (out of respect) I have found that a lot of times what they have to offer me is very helpful. I have also noticed that, no matter how old I get, they still treat me like I am their child (my adopted parents) They come to my home and no matter how much money I am making they will fill my pantries, refrigerators and freezers to the brim. It breaks my heart but in a good way, I LOVE them and if ever they become infirm they have a place with me. Of course I will convert a place for them and most likely call in outside help BUT if they desire, they will die in my care and home, as they have always cared for me and had their doors and hearts wide open to me.

If I am at home I'll kneel the majority of the time and make sure to take off my shoes if not immediately leaving. If I am public and I am wearing a hat I will remove it even though it doesn't look like I am praying. I just try to remember that even though He is my father, He is also the King of the Universe... All in all I believe Father would rather have us talk to Him and show our gratitude for Him however we are able to (as situation permits)

Ah, I see. I can understand the feeling. Having such a great time with the non-members and feeling like part of the family but then going to church and you feel like an outsider or snubbed. I would say keep your friends you have and just be a good example. If you find that you are falling away because you feel excluded just treat it like a task. It is a commandment to serve and of course renew your covenants. Maybe if you don't expect anything from going to church, other than Love from Father, then you will be able to cope with the blandness of the situation. Just keep inviting people. Snag new ward members and converts as soon as they move in and start your own little group but be different; be willing to take in new participants

Hey!!!! Sorry to hear you are having such a crappy time at church. I would suggest just having fun with your spouse. Start a new hobby together and build a strong bond there. Find other couples to hang out with if you can but if not don't sweat it. While non-members seem to have stronger kinsmen bonds (of which I am so jealous) they usually are getting in trouble, lol. I know because even though I didn't drink I was the DD and the end of the night was always the worst. Count your blessings, maybe these people are lame? No sense in trying to be friends with fake people. It sounds like you are lonely and joining the Church you thought you were joining a real group of saintly people. haha. I assure there are some for real but most people need the name so they remember to actually be saints. Lower your expectations of the members. Just know they will be there if the bishop asks them to be (some may actually truly love you but they are burnt out from doing all the volunteering) To me it seems you are lonely and hunger for camaraderie. You know, girls night out LDS style! Having tupperware parties and those clothes a ton of people lost a lot of money on. Want to be those edgy LDS moms? Pure romantic sales!!! Wooo! "I just like the creams, that's all"🤢 lol. look... I can laugh now because I wanted the same thing. Today I have a relative come over and visit!!! They watched the kids and I took my wife out on a date. it was sooo much fun. It is just what we needed I hope you find something to occupy you soon. I will check back on this thread to see how you are doing.

Any house you dedicate to the Lord remains holy in a sense. To benefit from the full blessings the occupants must live within the gospel standards and keep striving. Now if heinous evil occurs or any other defiling practices occur then I imagine evil could replace the blessing. Simply rededicate the home and live within the standards. With new homes that have devils see the bishop and most likely the priesthood holders in the new owners family along with leaders can cast them out and make it clean again. A house full of love and light will deter evil. Darkness will not prevail in a house of love and kindness. It burns the soul and pushes away evil. Perdition is a voluntary state. One must actively REFUSE to repent. Very very hard to hate when all you feel is Love. Also the power of the Lord is very real for protection

Sup Maggie. Glad you asked us. Dump him and find a man willing to take you to the temple. My wife suffered trying to get me to be everything she wanted. She is lucky I already had an lds background otherwise I most likely wouldn't have gave a crap. The church sounds crazy, especially these days. So much easier to drink my beer and coffee and do whatever I want on Sunday. I know everyone is different but two years, you already know what you have to do. Just remember your first marriage and strive for what you really want and don't take less.

Well then they can have the name of one parent and [Sperm]or [Egg] Donor in the other block. The madness is thick.

^This. You are super young. Why rush to get married, you have plenty of time to settle down. Besides, the brain isn't considered to be sufficiently developed until 24-25yrs old supposedly. You aren't missing anything by rushing and getting married. Find someone you really love and who loves you back equally

My sisters wear bikinis or whatever they want. They just take off their big shirt before getting in the water and put it back over the bikini when they get out.

Perhaps it is time to take our records into a Church run data base. I can feel my self beginning to loathe the changes happening to our country and seeping in to the church. I imagine if The Church ever seals two men together I will shave my head, rend my clothes and cover myself in ash for allowing myself to be deceived.

Hey, if you don't like the guy then just say "Thank you so much but I am not interested" if he asks why just look at him firmly without saying anything or just smile and walk away. You don't need to give anyone an answer why OR if you just like him in the friendzone just say "you are like a little brother to me"

So I was wanting to write another follow up to the porn essay I was writing. I kept hitting a wall and could only think "Porn is bad, don't look at it. If you ARE looking at it AND CAN'T stop then go to your bishop" so in short, STOP looking at that crap. If you need help stopping go to your bishop. I may be inspired down the road but as of right now it seems cut and dry. Also being addicted obviously means frequency in viewing. Blue mooners should recognize initiators and avoid them to keep a clean record.

I am reading all of these comments and I am quite surprised. If your future spouse (fiancee) asks if you have ever had sex and you have, Say YES! If he/she asks how many, tell how many... DON'T LIE ABOUT IT. Trying to be sneaky... this actually kind of makes me sick to hear some of you say it's none of her husband's business. :C

Just teach them and let them govern themselves. Also you can just cancel your internet and tv in house.

I don't blame you but it just gets old man. Kids are kids. I can't even whoop my own kids. When I was in the military they said we couldn't, Lol. Now I just take away their iphones and stuff. The last thing they lost was their 4k Big screen out of their playroom. Food though, food is fair game. I have smashed a birthday cake when my oldest mouthed off to her mom (relax I bought her TWO to replace it like 30 mins later) Oh and one of my girls was leaving Popsicle sticks laying around so I melted the huge pack I bought them in the sink and tossed it. They screamed bloody murder on that one, I kind of felt bad LOL but overall they are good kids and behave. Also it's not like Jesus kicks open your door the instant you do something wrong, ya know?

I think you are JayKi. You made it out and you are being successful. I am totally happy for you. I know the feeling. When I got back from deployment I wanted to go back, even though it was crappy being away from my wife. The adrenaline becomes addicting and you almost feel like you NEED it.