Onhech Posted May 14, 2010 Report Posted May 14, 2010 Lilith, the first wife of Adam. She was made at the same time as Adam but was cast out of the garden because she wouldn't be Subservent to Adam. Lillith is well documented in trusted jewish commentaries such as the Kabblah, the talmud, zohar and also is found in the dead sea scrolls. Lilith is portrayed as something of a succubus, a immortal demon-ish seducer.There are are aspects of the story which are very apocryphal and mythical today but what kind of stance do you all take on an account such as this.Wiki Article Various Article Index on Lilith- - - - - - - - - - - -Lynden JensenCheck out my Blog at Know♣Justice Quote
volgadon Posted May 14, 2010 Report Posted May 14, 2010 Lilith was only the first wife in later Jewish traditions. There was an anonymous one preceding her. Quote
mliff Posted May 14, 2010 Report Posted May 14, 2010 what you stated is the most common, but there is a lot of other writings from many different religions and cultures that has lilit in them. Quote
Hemidakota Posted May 14, 2010 Report Posted May 14, 2010 Lilith, the first wife of Adam. She was made at the same time as Adam but was cast out of the garden because she wouldn't be Subservent to Adam. Lillith is well documented in trusted jewish commentaries such as the Kabblah, the talmud, zohar and also is found in the dead sea scrolls. Lilith is portrayed as something of a succubus, a immortal demon-ish seducer.There are are aspects of the story which are very apocryphal and mythical today but what kind of stance do you all take on an account such as this.Wiki Article Various Article Index on Lilith- - - - - - - - - - - -Lynden JensenCheck out my Blog at Know♣JusticeHow do we get Lillith from Eve? Quote
Hemidakota Posted May 14, 2010 Report Posted May 14, 2010 Sorry...I see now, it is nothing more than Sumerian mythology. Quote
mliff Posted May 14, 2010 Report Posted May 14, 2010 a lot of people from different origins says that adam had a wife before eve. named lilit. but depending on the religion or culture there are many different stories relating to lilith. Some say that in Gen. 1:27 God created man in his image; in the divine image he created him; male and female he created them. Then in Gen.2:21-23 So the Lord God cast a deep sleep on the man and while he was asleep, he took out one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh. The Lord God then built up into a woman the rib that he had taken from the man. When he brought her to the man, the man said: This one , at last, is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; this one shall be called woman for out of her man this one has been taken. Sorry for the use of a catholic bible I dont have mine on me. but they believe since the 2 different stories of woman that the first one was lilith and since she didnt want to give in to man she fled away (and theres differences as to what she did after she fled) and the second time is when adam had eve. this is just some of the stuff that i have studied a while back. I hope it helps Quote
mliff Posted May 14, 2010 Report Posted May 14, 2010 yeah sumarian mythology along with all kinds of other myths. Quote
NeuroTypical Posted May 14, 2010 Report Posted May 14, 2010 When I first heard this story, it helped me enjoy Lillith Crane on Cheers much more. Quote
FlaviusHambonius Posted May 14, 2010 Report Posted May 14, 2010 I'm glad Adam learned to get along with Eve, or else he might not have had much of a rib cage left. Quote
mliff Posted May 14, 2010 Report Posted May 14, 2010 I'm glad Adam learned to get along with Eve, or else he might not have had much of a rib cage left.lol this is true Quote
Suzie Posted May 14, 2010 Report Posted May 14, 2010 but what kind of stance do you all take on an account such as this.I take it like an interesting "story". Nothing more. Quote
mliff Posted May 14, 2010 Report Posted May 14, 2010 theres a lot of documents in all cultures and religions that list lilith. but I think it was more of a story to keep kids behaving good. Quote
Onhech Posted May 14, 2010 Author Report Posted May 14, 2010 So what do people think. Could this/these traditions be true(or partially true). Do you think that they are true?Obviously there are contradictions and mythology in the various accounts, but to what point if any should we accept this story in an LDS perspective? - - - - - - - - - - - - -Lynden JensenCheck out my blog Know♣Justice Quote
MarginOfError Posted May 14, 2010 Report Posted May 14, 2010 theres a lot of documents in all cultures and religions that list lilith. but I think it was more of a story to keep kids behaving good.You mean like religion? Quote
Hemidakota Posted May 14, 2010 Report Posted May 14, 2010 Yepper. CONTROL AND DOMINATION IS THE KEY!!!!! Quote
volgadon Posted May 14, 2010 Report Posted May 14, 2010 theres a lot of documents in all cultures and religions that list lilith. but I think it was more of a story to keep kids behaving good.Not in all cultures and religions, but in those with a Mesopotamian, Jewish or Christian background. Quote
volgadon Posted May 14, 2010 Report Posted May 14, 2010 So what do people think. Could this/these traditions be true(or partially true). Do you think that they are true?Obviously there are contradictions and mythology in the various accounts, but to what point if any should we accept this story in an LDS perspective? - - - - - - - - - - - - -Lynden JensenCheck out my blog Know♣JusticeNo, because these traditions are a later combination (from some time before the 11th century AD) of two different strands- the child-strangling and succubus-like demon Lilith, and the 'first Eve'.The idea of a 'first Eve' is based on a hyper-literal reading of Genesis, as if the editorial gglosses are chronological, IE because man and woman are mentioned before Eve that must mean she wasn't the first.Some time before Ben-Sira's Alphabet was written (in the 11th century AD), the tradition developed that this wife was Lilith. Quote
mliff Posted May 14, 2010 Report Posted May 14, 2010 Not in all cultures and religions, but in those with a Mesopotamian, Jewish or Christian background.I know of a few muslim people who believe in the lilith theory. Im not arguing about it though, I just done a lot of reading and i believe that a lot of people believe it that just dont want to say anything about it. I personaly don't but then again I do like conspiracy theories though lol. Quote
volgadon Posted May 14, 2010 Report Posted May 14, 2010 And where do you think Islam draws many of its traditions from? Quote
Elgama Posted May 14, 2010 Report Posted May 14, 2010 There are as many Lilith type or based legends as there are of the floods and the creation so I am inclined to think its got some truth in it. My personal with no evidence whatsoever wonder if she is Lucifer/Satan partner, as in most legends remains almost spirit in nature. And seems to have power over souls without a body Quote
Hemidakota Posted May 14, 2010 Report Posted May 14, 2010 And where do you think Islam draws many of its traditions from?Reading the Book of Enoch, which speaks concerning Enoch visionary travels to the seventh heaven, low and behold, it is also mentioned in one of Mohammad’s traditional testimonies. Quote
LocalFarms Posted May 14, 2010 Report Posted May 14, 2010 My take on Lilith: a misunderstanding of the spiritual vs. physical creation in the bible. Where it says in the earlier passage the he created male and female it was the spiritual creation. Then he's creats Eve AND Adam again (physically). Quote
Traveler Posted May 15, 2010 Report Posted May 15, 2010 Lilith, the first wife of Adam. She was made at the same time as Adam but was cast out of the garden because she wouldn't be Subservent to Adam. Lillith is well documented in trusted jewish commentaries such as the Kabblah, the talmud, zohar and also is found in the dead sea scrolls. Lilith is portrayed as something of a succubus, a immortal demon-ish seducer.There are are aspects of the story which are very apocryphal and mythical today but what kind of stance do you all take on an account such as this.Wiki Article Various Article Index on Lilith- - - - - - - - - - - -Lynden JensenCheck out my Blog at Know♣Justice So far anything of importance to the Lilith myth has not been brought forth in any latter-day revelation.The Traveler Quote
volgadon Posted May 15, 2010 Report Posted May 15, 2010 Lillith is well documented in trusted jewish commentaries such as the Kabblah, the talmud, zoharWhat do you mean by trusted? Not to nitpick, but the Kabbalah is not a commentary, it is a term applied to certain kinds of mysticism. Quote
SLC2002GOLD Posted May 15, 2010 Report Posted May 15, 2010 Are we following this topic for fun and frolic, or are we seeking truths where non exist? Quote
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