Good Gosh Man, I'm No Longer a Taurus?

[Guest]

Yea Bert, everything slamjet says x100. If you're LDS, I'm worried about you. You seem to like coming up with your own interpretation of scripture without the benefit of the guidance of the prophets and apostles.

[bert10]

So have I been blessed and I Continue to live the promises of Asking, Seeking and knocking. Does it mean because you have been blessed that I should follow your way?...or that because I also been blessed concerning many things...that you should follow my way?

The answer to this is no. We are both doing things in our life that causes GOD to bless us. But we can be both happy to happy to share.

The Stuff that I gave you could have saved you a lot of time. But it is okay with me, if you do not accept it. Everything is progressing right on schedule according to the Lord's timetable for each one of us.

As for what constitute repentance it is not I who made up the rules on it. I realize, it is not the letter of the law that reigns supreme but the Spirit of the Law and God is the judge of us all.

As for the Atonement I do not speak dismissively as I understand it.

<> The Lord lived a life of perfection in order to show them that love Him the way of perfection. That it was possible to do and to fulfill the commandment to be as perfect in Love as our Father in heaven is perfect. The Lord did not come to call the righteous into repentance but the sinners.

<> The Lord suffered Spiritually and in the body for them that hate Him..that they should repent and that He would reconcile them to the Father if they do as He has said.

<> The Lord resurrected so that He could resurrect both the just and the unjust who fell asleep. That they should be brought before the Bar of Judgment before the Father.

And I would like for you to reflect on the words of John who states quite clearly what it requires to have true fellowship and when will the blood of Christ wash us clean.

The condition in order to be washed clean by the blood of Jesus Christ is given below....Walking in the Light As Christ is in the Light. Please remember John did not associate the name of Jesus for this verse..but used "Christ."

1 John 1:7 - But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Walking in Light means to walk in the Spirit of Christ. Or to walk as Christ walked on the earth...by listening to the Father.

This is important because Jesus said...He that come unto me are they who have heard and learned from the FATHER.

John 6:45 - It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

On a personal note....

It is good that people are Learning to be obedient. It is a life long endeavor and requires us to walk on the rocky path. Also, I would not judge you on your worthiness... Actually no one should. This was one the sins of Israel. And since you are in the LDS church guess what? It is proof that you are still with Israelites and it is normal that we should find some of the sins of Israel in our church. The actions can be judged if it regards us.... but not the person doing it. it is not up to me to do this nor anyone else other who God appoints to be your Spiritual leader.

One thing I do know...is with "unconditional Love" one is led to judge less and less as He becomes more aware of how little he really knows. The duality of knowledge - Ignorance grows side by side. The more knowledge one is given the more He knows how Ignorant one is and that things which are not likely can be possible with GOD...only when pride comes one become puffed up.

For the righteous the more of the Spirit of God that is in him the less he will judge and the more readily he will offer the hand of fellowship. But if the person whom we give our hand of fellowship does not seek the fellowship of godliness in GOD we are to leave that person behind...because he can harm us even if it is delaying our own progression with GOD.

In my experience some will come back to the Church and some will grow more in the hate of the Church. It is also my experience that over time...the person who continues to rebel God will permit that person be given massive trials which will take even more of our time in dealing with. And if we tamper with it...we will be shown even when our prayers are answered by GOD...that some other trials will come to afflict that man/woman. Unless there is a change in the heart....there is nothing we can do except to be patient and wait for the change. The trials will either bring that person to repentance or to greater hate for the church.

bert10

Well, I personally dismiss your whole, confused premise.

What you are describing is a God that is the same yesterday, today, and forever AND unbending, unyielding and unmerciful. I cannot accept that God will dismiss anyone who has desecrated their body in some form while in the throws of rebellion and temptation and not receive forgiveness and acceptance when they submit to repentance and the Light of Christ. You are speaking dismissively of the Atonement if you subscribe to this unbending, unforgiving logic.

I am working very hard to come back into the Church. The Lord has blessed me GREATLY because I'm learning obedience and to turn my will over to him. All while I have this tattoo on my shoulder.

While this line of reasoning may make you feel good and intellectual, it borderlines on fanaticism. The same fanaticism that I've had to fight every time I tried to return to the fold. Because I was a bad person and made bad decisions, I was, and to a point am still, ostracized by those whom are judging me unacceptable to enter into God's Kingdom. Thankfully, there are many, many more whom accept and respect me for having the strength to look up and seek forgiveness and counsel.

And by the way, Gentiles in the Book of Mormon is referring to us, a Christian nation. Go figure.

[bert10]

One Lord, One faith, One Spirit One Baptism. You are right you should be worried concerning myself. Because I am not held back by the Lord in teachings what I know like the Leaders are. Because once the leaders give something by virtue of their office it becomes Scriptures and law for us. And the Lord only allows them to give slowly to the general Church. The Church can only go as fast as the majority is able to understand and accept. But GOD has never prevented anyone from going ahead of the pack always fulfilling the promises.

The information I give is not authoritative and people can take it or leave it at this time.

Do think that there will be prophets in the end of days and millennium?

Then this scriptures should get you to think about your position Also prophets cannot give you spiritual experiences each man must gain their own.

Moses had it Right. would the LORD'S people were all prophets and had the Spirit of GOD upon them.

Numbers 11:29 - And Moses said unto him, Enviest thou for my sake? would God that all the LORD'S people were prophets, and that the LORD would put his spirit upon them!

Hebrews 8:11 0 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

John 6:45 - It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

And lastly the testimony of Jesus Christ is by the Spirit of Prophecy.

Revelation 19:10 - And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See [thou do it] not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy

bert10

bert10

Yea Bert, everything slamjet says x100. If you're LDS, I'm worried about you. You seem to like coming up with your own interpretation of scripture without the benefit of the guidance of the prophets and apostles.

Edited January 18, 2011 by bert10

[pam]

So have I been blessed and I Continue to live the promises of Asking, Seeking and knocking. Does it mean because you have been blessed that I should follow your way?...or that because I also been blessed concerning many things...that you should follow my way?

The answer to this is no. We are both doing things in our life that causes GOD to bless us. But we can be both happy to happy to share.

The Stuff that I gave you could have saved you a lot of time. But it is okay with me, if you do not accept it. Everything is progressing right on schedule according to the Lord's timetable for each one of us.

Bert you just totally contradicted yourself in a quick 2 paragraphs.

First you ask if we should follow you or you should follow us. You state no.

But then you turn around and state that you could have saved us a lot of time by the stuff that you gave us. Which says to me..that we should follow what YOU say and not what we believe to be true or are blessed with. Because it saves us time by whose interpretation? Yours? Each of us learn and progress at different levels.

Frankly, I'm getting a little tired of all your jibber jabber. You make no sense most of the time.

Plus the fact that you refuse to answer a simple question I have asked of you 3 times on this thread drops your credibility with me to about a 10 out of 100.

Also, I would not judge you on your worthiness... Actually no one should.

This really is not totally true. A Bishop or a Stake President has a stewardship to judge worthiness for temple recommends.

Edited January 18, 2011 by pam

[Guest]

One Lord, One faith, One Spirit One Baptism. You are right you should be worried concerning myself. Because I am not held back by the Lord in teachings what I know like the Leaders are. Because once the leaders give something by virtue of their office it becomes Scriptures and law for us. And the Lord only allows them to give slowly to the general Church. The Church can only go as fast as the majority is able to understand and accept. But GOD has never prevented anyone from going ahead of the pack always fulfilling the promises.

The information I give is not authoritative and people can take it or leave it at this time.

Do think that there will be prophets in the end of days and millennium?

Then this scriptures should get you to think about your position Also prophets cannot give you spiritual experiences each man must gain their own.

Moses had it Right. would the LORD'S people were all prophets and had the Spirit of GOD upon them.

Numbers 11:29 - And Moses said unto him, Enviest thou for my sake? would God that all the LORD'S people were prophets, and that the LORD would put his spirit upon them!

Hebrews 8:11 0 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

John 6:45 - It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

And lastly the testimony of Jesus Christ is by the Spirit of Prophecy.

Revelation 19:10 - And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See [thou do it] not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy

bert10

bert10

Oh, okay. I get it. You claim to know more than the prophets. Gotcha. Because, it's not even that you are saying something that the prophets have not said. You are saying something CONTRADICTING the prophets. But, yeah, okay. You know better because God does not hinder your understanding...

Tell me what juice you're drinking so that I may avoid it.

[pam]

I am not held back by the Lord in teachings what I know like the Leaders are.

Wait..wait..wait...What??? I'm getting a really strong sense of some false doctrine or info being given here.

Edited January 18, 2011 by pam

[NeuroTypical]

I am not held back by the Lord in teachings what I know like the Leaders are. Because once the leaders give something by virtue of their office it becomes Scriptures and law for us.

Even when Pres. Hinckley stood there at the podium at General Conference and said "Now, brethren, I want to make it very clear that I am not prophesying"?

If we're to believe him, we have to believe your statement is wrong.

And the Lord only allows them to give slowly to the general Church.

Is that why the beginning decades of the restoration were so quickly handed the BoM, PogP, Book of Commandments, temples and ordinances, etc? If we're to believe our own history, we have to believe your statement is wrong.

But GOD has never prevented anyone from going ahead of the pack always fulfilling the promises.

Yeah, but He's never prevented anyone from deluding themselves into thinking they're more important than the next person over, either. And there's a heck of a lot more of them then there are people you describe.

Please note - this forum is not to be used as a podium by anyone claiming more or better or more advanced revalations. Folks who have fringe or unique understandings are ok here. But there's a fine line in talking about stuff you have been thinking about, and talking down to the general membership from your high pedestal of claimed righteousness.

Tone it down, bert10.

LM

[Backroads]

I plan to remain a Cancer. I'm a water sign, darn it! Cancer actually fits me!

For what it's worth, I think tattoos are cool.

Edited January 18, 2011 by Backroads

[Wingnut]

For what it's worth, I think tattoos are cool.

You heathen, you!

[Backroads]

You heathen, you!

Oh, I would never get one because I don't know what it would look like when I'm old, but my dream tattoo is a leaf on my upper left arm.

[MichaelCraig]

Does this mean my brand new tattoo of a Gingerbread man right above my heart has to be scrapped off now? YEEOOOOOOWWWW!!!! It hurt bad enough having it done. I just can't win for loosin.

[Backroads]

Isn't anyone here concerned at all that such things come from the devil? And should have no place in our thoughts and hearts?

and you have a tattoo too?. Wow..it sure is going to hurt when you have to remove it in order to enter into the Holy Congregation of the Lord.

bert10

And what do you say to Polynesian members and members of other cultures where tattoos are a vital part of their culture and history?

I've never heard of anyone having to remove a tattoo.

[Saldrin]

replying to the OP, I read some were they added a new zodiac sign. but my true feeling are expressed as

"IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT MY SIGN IS!" :

[slamjet]

replying to the OP, I read some were they added a new zodiac sign. but my true feeling are expressed as

"IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT MY SIGN IS!" :

So, your answer is violence and death to all

[mordorbund]

replying to the OP, I read some were they added a new zodiac sign. but my true feeling are expressed as

"IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT MY SIGN IS!" :

So, your answer is violence and death to all

Clearly an Aries.

[Dravin]

Personally I wouldn't complain about not being one of these:

http://imageonthefly.autodatadirect.com/images/?IMG=U4FOGEF1.JPG&WIDTH=400&AUTOTRIM=2

Of course I'm one of these:

So who am I to cast stones?

[Bini]

I could be a Leo since my birth date was a complete guess when I was adopted. But I guess when it boils down to it, I'll always be a Virgo!

[slamjet]

I DON'T WANT TO BE ANYTHING BUT:

AND

I would upload a pic of my tat, but I don't know if it's against the rules (I'll crop it close if you let me).

[beefche]

Does this mean my brand new tattoo of a Gingerbread man right above my heart has to be scrapped off now?

Suck up.

[pam]

Slamjet posting a pic of your tattoo would not be against the rules as long as they are appropriate for this site.

[pam]

Suck up.

And he does it so well.

[slamjet]

And he does it so well.

And when I try, I get threatened with being banned. So...Not...Fair...

[beefche]

Get a job at Olive Garden. Pam has a thing for OG waiters....

[Soulsearcher]

Get a job at Olive Garden. Pam has a thing for OG waiters....

YOUNG OG waiters lol

[slamjet]

YOUNG OG waiters lol

You mean she's giving new meaning to "robbing the cradle?"