WestBoro Baptist To Protest At A Funeral Of 7 Children!!

[carlimac]

  Soulsearcher said:

  carlimac said:

I'd like to see it different, but until people change their tune it's kinda hard. Most don't really hear what they are saying thinking they are being all loving or compassionate, but really they miss the bus completely. Being most people have no real idea what it's like most of the time it's just simple platitudes or misinformed comments. It's like going to a blind person and saying "It's not that bad, i know when i close my eyes i can still mostly get around, i know how hard it is just as well as you, so don't try to tell me how it is cause i already know." In the last week by christians i've been blamed for all the issues in america, the earth quake in japan, the state of marriage and the decay of morals all around the world. I've been told i should be stoned, burned, that i should have been aborted cause i was defective, told i need to be locked up cause I'm completely insane. Off line all the LDS close to me ran and disowned me for being gay. The last one to go was my lil girl who i helped raise. She left when i started talking about changing how i dress and taking better care of my skin. So i start dressing nice(not just tshirts and jeans) and i start a skin care routine and that's just cause to be disowned by LDS. I've dated one guy in a very innocent relationship that I'm not sure crosses any set LDS doctrine and yet they washed their hands of me. So yes i really don't see much of a difference between bottom line message between these nuts and mainstream christianity, i just see it less in inflammatory in the main stream.

I just feel sorry that you seem so unhappy about yourself. From the tone of most of your posts you seem to see the world as completely against you. No matter what anyone says or does, you can still choose how you will respond or if you'll respond. Why don't you choose happiness. Quit looking for all the negative stuff. I'm just not sure what good it does to search out how all the Christians seem to be against you. Gays caused the earthquake? That's just laughable.

[Soulsearcher]

  carlimac said:

  Soulsearcher said:

I just feel sorry that you seem so unhappy about yourself. From the tone of most of your posts you seem to see the world as completely against you. No matter what anyone says or does, you can still choose how you will respond or if you'll respond. Why don't you choose happiness. Quit looking for all the negative stuff. I'm just not sure what good it does to search out how all the Christians seem to be against you. Gays caused the earthquake? That's just laughable.

I'm not so much unhappy about myself as how people decided to judge and label. How they think it's fun to tell people how evil they are with out really knowing anything about them. As for looking for the negative i don't have to go looking. I'm not as obvious as the friends i hang around with and yet when i'm out in the mall or at the gym with them the comments are always there. While i was on a trip home this week it seems there was a group of guys going around hassling and beating up guys around the gay clubs here for no other reason than they might be different. (a good number of the guys outside can be straight). I can avoid news articles, i can avoid going in public, i can avoid ever having christian friends, but i'm not so sure why i need to avoid life because people don't like who i am, it seems kinda silly. As for how i respond i try for communication, for trying to point out that while you might think the message you send is one way, it's not delivered in the way you'd like. So far all of my gay friends have the same response, "why waste your time with people, they are blind and so full of hate you are just a joke to them" My response is I've helped a few people open their eyes now and then and while it might be like trying to move a mountain it's better than just accepting things can never get better on both sides. I could give up, just write of christians after bad experiences like my friends have, or try to have open communication.Gays causing earthquakes is about as silly as us marrying will destroy the family, funny isn't it? :)

[Soulsearcher]

  slamjet said:

Evil Spirits?

I have nothing to do with the quote function messing up.....It's much to low on my list of things to mess with today

[NeuroTypical]

  Elphaba said:

I am profoundly moved by how, wherever these vile people plan their vile protests, American citizens gather together to protect the funeral attendess from having to listen to their obscenities. I think it demonstrates how, in the midst of cruelty, there are so very many kind people among us.

It kills me to say it, but I must give Michael Moore props for doing some interestingly-put-together counter protesting. I suppose I'm happier with the folks who just protect the attendees, like the YW group who go to conference and sing hymns that drown out the countercultist folk. But I must appreciate Michael for standing on the right side of the fence here - against Phelps.

LM

[Carl62]

  Soulsearcher said:

  Carl62 said:

Except you miss the fact that while you don't like tactics, their message isn't too far from what many christians including LDS are also saying. They've just upped the ante a lil bit in how they spread it. Make sure you understand their message before you say it won't be tolerated being it's not fully against what a lot of people already believe, it's just being taken to an extreme.

I think YOU are the one who needs to understand just what their message is. Do you know why these people are going to be protesting at these 7 kids' funeral? It has nothing to do with homosexuality. The reason they are protesting is because they believe that anybody who has an abundant life and has been given great rewards is of God and anybody who's had terrible things happen to them must be of the devil. So therefore, this humble Mennonite family must be of Satan and needs to be brought to shame because of it!! And you are saying that this isn't too far from what other christians including LDS are saying?!! Are you serious?!! And you're also saying that this is not fully against what a lot of people believe?! WOW!! You're on your own with this one my friend.

[Backroads]

Okay, I'm lost. What exactly are these folks protesting against?

[Soulsearcher]

  Carl62 said:

  Soulsearcher said:

I think YOU are the one who needs to understand just what their message is. Do you know why these people are going to be protesting at these 7 kids' funeral? It has nothing to do with homosexuality. The reason they are protesting is because they believe that anybody who has an abundant life and has been given great rewards is of God and anybody who's had terrible things happen to them must be of the devil. So therefore, this humble Mennonite family must be of Satan and needs to be brought to shame because of it!! And you are saying that this isn't too far from what other christians including LDS are saying?!! Are you serious?!! And you're also saying that this is not fully against what a lot of people believe?! WOW!! You're on your own with this one my friend.

I'm saying that the basis of the majority of their ideals have been echoed to some degree by christians and lds. Even the blessing vs trial i have heard from christians. "well you just aren't praying enough, you have to do more service, you just need a stronger testimony then these sort of things will stop happening or get better, just need more faith, it's satan acting against you read the scriptures more and you will resist him." If things aren't going well enough you just aren't doing enough to be close to god is something i've heard many times and you are inviting trouble. I'm sure you would never say it to a family who lost their child but can you honestly say you've never said anything of the sort to someone with out realizing just what you were saying?

"Our attitude toward what's happening with the war is [that] the Lord is punishing this evil nation for abandoning all moral imperatives that are worth a dime." Sound at all familiar?

Their entire platform tends to be based on the fact that america and the world is accepting too much sin and it's their job to bring it to people's attention. It can be about gays, jews, muslims, chinese, but in the end it's loudly about how it's either their morals or we are all damned and we need to live their way or we are evil. If you think this attitude has never been echo'd at all by christians then I'm a bit worried. Again I'm not saying you agree word for word, or that mainstream goes to the same extremes, but like it or not mainstream still loves to preach to the masses about how sin is dragging this country down and how we all need to return to christ to try and make the world a better place. Same message different delivery. It all starts with "god says....." and from there it becomes degrees of disagreement.

[slamjet]

Then am I not allowed to disagree with the Gay lifestyle but still feel compassion towards them not because I feel sorry for them, but because they are a child of God and loved by him just as much as he loves me?

Because that is where there is a HUGE gulf between me and those nuts. Because to me, God:

- Expects me to treat the gay community with just as much humanity and compassion as I would otherwise.

- permits me to not agree with the lifestyle, but agree that all are children of our Heavenly Father.

Because I can assure you that although I do not agree with the Gay communities lifestyle, I would be just fine sitting down with them, share a meal and talk about relationships without feeling any discomfort. Possibly because I've heard it all before, and then some. Possibly because I've worked with a whole slew of homosexuals when I was in the entertainment industry and have become comfortable with them. Definitely because I have learned to look beyond the acts, and look at the person.

Edited March 13, 2011 by slamjet

[findingmyway]

Its a beautiful Sunday. If we cant be helpful, lets just pray that the family has a safe funeral , they deserve that respect , instead of useless protests or arguments. Souls are more important than their covers. Let God judge , since he judges righteously. God loves everyone .... male, female, transexuals, straight or gay, white, black , gray , yellow.... you know where im getting at. He even loves the Westboro , or even the guy that beats you up. Where do you or I stand ?..... God knows.

[slamjet]

  findingmyway said:

Where do you or I stand ?..... God knows.

No, you know where you stand. It's not a secret to you or God. It's everyone else who may not know until you do something or tell them.

[findingmyway]

  slamjet said:

No, you know where you stand. It's not a secret to you or God. It's everyone else who may not know until you do something or tell them.

Im sorry . I do know where I stand. What was important is that God truly knows. Should I keep going on about where the church stands where i stand , or where i think he/she stands?..... Nah , I would rather give out hugs and kisses :D:D:D. Our actions speak better.

[pam]

I'm actually sitting at the moment.

[slamjet]

  pam said:

I'm actually sitting at the moment.

Oh, whatever.

[pam]

  slamjet said:

Oh, whatever.

I'm getting my rolled up magazine ready for April 1st. I shall make sure you sit next to me at dinner.

[slamjet]

My dear, it will take more than a flimsy magazine to affect my rock-hard head:angrytongue:

[Soulsearcher]

  slamjet said:

My dear, it will take more than a flimsy magazine to affect my rock-hard head:angrytongue:

You assume she aims for the head. Not once did she hit me in the head with the magazine, and it wasn't flimsy lol was actually made with very sturdy paper.

[slamjet]

  Soulsearcher said:

You assume she aims for the head. Not once did she hit me in the head with the magazine, and it wasn't flimsy lol was actually made with very sturdy paper.

Great. I'm gonna have some welts on me for Conference time.

[Soulsearcher]

  slamjet said:

Great. I'm gonna have some welts on me for Conference time.

Just remember she's old and short :)

[slamjet]

  Soulsearcher said:

Just remember she's old and short :)

So you're saying I'm going to change from singing bass to countertenor?

[beefche]

  slamjet said:

So you're saying I'm going to change from singing bass to countertenor?

I'm not sure she can reach that high. Wear knee pads.

[Wingnut]

  slamjet said:

My dear, it will take more than a flimsy magazine to affect my rock-hard head:angrytongue:

Careful -- she might decide to bring a JCPenney catalog.

[Soulsearcher]

  Wingnut said:

Careful -- she might decide to bring a JCPenney catalog.

Again, just find a cute young waiter and she'll forget you are even there, heck if you get him to give her his number just think of what you could get away with.....

[Jenamarie]

  Wingnut said:

Careful -- she might decide to bring a JCPenney catalog.

I was thinking Italian Vogue.

[slamjet]

  Soulsearcher said:

Again, just find a cute young waiter and she'll forget you are even there, heck if you get him to give her his number just think of what you could get away with.....

You mean like this dude?

Granted, he's probably married with four kids by now, but Pam looks mighty happy with him. My only question: Why is he showing his middle finger around Pam's right shoulder?

[findingmyway]

War!!!!!