omegaseamaster75 Posted August 14, 2015 Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 (edited) When a pretty girl walks by I notice, when a handsome man walks by I am not so naive to think that my wife does not notice. I think that it is normal behavior. Same rule applies to sports illustrated, or similar things. Heck I can't pick up a motorcycle magazine with out it having a hot chick on the cover. What are we to do? Deem everything as bad and live in a box...no tv, no internet, no movies, no magazines? Or we can be NORMAL and accept things for what they are. Edited August 14, 2015 by omegaseamaster75 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vort Posted August 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2015 When a pretty girl walks by I notice, when a handsome man walks by I am not so naive to think that my wife does not notice. I think that it is normal behavior. Same rule applies to sports illustrated, or similar things. Heck I can't pick up a motorcycle magazine with out it having a hot chick on the cover. What are we to do? Deem everything as bad and live in a box...no tv, no internet, no movies, no magazines? Or we can be NORMAL and accept things for what they are. I always knew I was not normal, but now I'm proud of the fact. If remaining unspotted from the blood and sins of this generation involves getting rid of the idiot box, then there should be no question what our course is. Just_A_Guy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traveler Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 I agree with Vort and my opinion is that when normal becomes an excuse to enjoy and invite temptation - we no longer are on the path or way of a saint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traveler Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 Quoting new scripture - Perversions 1:1"In the beginning G-d saw darkness and declared - Hmmmmm this must be normal!" Perversions 37:22"And then Jesus said, If thy right eye offend thee - do not be concerned. It's normal!" Vort 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrShorty Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 "Wresting" actual scripture: Moses 2:31 "And I, God, saw everything that I had made, and, behold, all things which I had made were very good." Including man as both male and female and, presumably, at least some of what makes men and women different and some of what makes men and women sexual. Moses 3:25 "And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed." Before the fall, at least, nudity was normal and did not "cause" lust or other inappropriate things. Moses 4:16-17 "And he said: I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I beheld that I was naked, and I hid myself. And I, the Lord God, said unto Adam: Who told thee thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree [of knowledge of good and evil]." It seems to me that something of our sexuality was created by God, is not shameful or ugly or lustful or whatever sinfulness we want to assign to it, and is "very good." Is this "normal"? It also seems clear to me that something in Adam's fall touched our sexuality as God created it and made it shameful and sinful. Is this "normal"? And, how shall we discern what "normal" aspects of our sexuality are a result of God's perfect creation, and which "normal" aspects are the parts corrupted by Adam's fall? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David13 Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 We shall discern in the way we have always done, and the changing and 'fashionable' or trendy perversions will not be adopted by us. Nor condoned, nor accepted, no matter how "normal" anyone declares them to be. Which is preferable?Don't we really mean which is the lesser of the two evils? I don't know. But it reminds me of a story about one of the apostles, perhaps true, perhaps not, but told about one known for his somewhat unconventional (but not abnormal) behavior at times. Eccentric, perhaps. A little rough on the edges.He on a mission had gone down to, maybe St George, or nearby and lost his companion. Well, the companion finally caught up with him in a restaurant where he was eating, and had a cup of coffee ready.The companion said "Elder Apostle (perhaps Apostle later in life), I'd rather commit adultery than drink a cup of coffee"."Well, wouldn't everyone" remarked his companion.dc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Folk Prophet Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Same rule applies to sports illustrated, or similar things. Heck I can't pick up a motorcycle magazine with out it having a hot chick on the cover. What are we to do? Don't pick it up. Deem everything as bad No. Only bad things. live in a box When appropriate. no tv, no internet, no movies, no magazines? Not if they have inappropriate things in them. There are (admittedly shrinking) appropriate tv shows, internet sites, movies and magazines. Or we can be NORMAL No, absolutely, unquestionably, beyond any doubt NOT! Blackmarch, Just_A_Guy and omegaseamaster75 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 The natural man is an enemy to God. Christ came to overcome the world, not to let the world influence Him. We are supposed to emulate Him. It's as easy as a yes or no choice. Am I going to flip through that magazine of mostly naked girls that's pretending to be about sports? No. Am I going to let my eyes linger on that hot girl that clearly hasn't had any babies? No. Can my eyes focus in another direction when we're passing Victoria Secret, or their mega-sized ads? Yes. Can I change the channel when an ad using soft porn to sell something comes on? Yes. Do I have to watch the latest popular show that everyone is talking about? No. "Normal" is not even irrelevant, it's counseled against. We are to learn to bridle our passions and conquer the natural man. We are to be a strange and peculiar people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackmarch Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 (edited) I have read that some LDS sisters (specifically, some along the Wasatch Front) have stated that they would prefer their husbands commit real, live, honest-to-badness, flesh-to-flesh adultery than that they view pornography. Being naive as I am, I cannot believe anyone (except maybe those who get perverse joy out of cheating husbands) would actually believe this. Am I wrong? Is there anyone other than the occasional rare nutjob who actually believes that pornography viewing -- awful though it may be -- is actually worse than adultery? Is this anything like a common belief in some areas of Mormondom?I wouldn't be surprised if that is to be found somewhere. I haven't heard it and I definitely disagree with it. altho where it might hold some water is that porn is more likely to lead you to get into some really abomination and perversion stuff, which then would lead you to doing even worse things than just merely adultery. Edited August 17, 2015 by Blackmarch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omegaseamaster75 Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Don't pick it up. No. Only bad things. When appropriate. Not if they have inappropriate things in them. There are (admittedly shrinking) appropriate tv shows, internet sites, movies and magazines. No, absolutely, unquestionably, beyond any doubt NOT!You sir are a pillar of strength and restraint. I on the other hand have no issues about looking through a sports illustrated swimsuit edition. God knows our hearts, if someone cannot separate reality from fiction then they have a problem. Sports Illustrated swimsuit edition= fiction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traveler Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 More new scripture: Perversions 22:8 "Then said Alma, Wickness never was happiness but it was sure lots of fun while it lasted." Vort and The Folk Prophet 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Folk Prophet Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Perversions 22:8 Ha ha. I love it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Folk Prophet Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 if someone cannot separate reality from fiction then they have a problem. Sports Illustrated swimsuit edition= fiction. Really? They're only pretend bikinis? So any man who looks at the swimsuit edition and lusts is simply unable to separate reality from fiction? What about hardcore porn? Also fiction you know? By your logic here we should all just be able to watch it because only someone with a problem couldn't separate it from reality? And violent movies? Same thing right? In fact, why have the brethren advised us to be careful about our entertainment at all? They must not realize that it's all a matter of separating reality from fiction. What fools! I dunno man. If you're the one who can look at such materials without any lusting whatsoever, it seems like you're the pillar of strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Coz, yeah, people browse through the Swimsuit Edition to shop for swimsuits. Yeah. Just like people subscribe to Playboy for the articles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omegaseamaster75 Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Coz, yeah, people browse through the Swimsuit Edition to shop for swimsuits. Yeah. Just like people subscribe to Playboy for the articles.No I look at the swim suit edition to look at the pretty girls. mdfxdb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vort Posted August 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 This is actually a shameful admission. Perhaps you should avoid stating such things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 At least he's not kidding himself, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) This is actually a shameful admission. Perhaps you should avoid stating such things. We all have shameful admissions. Heck, I like the movie Waterworld. Will I be excommunicated for that one? I probably should be. Edited August 18, 2015 by MormonGator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omegaseamaster75 Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 This is actually a shameful admission. Perhaps you should avoid stating such things.Really? do you think I should talk to my bishop about it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Folk Prophet Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) It's one thing to have an unrepentant attitude (Vort's implication as I read it isn't that the sin is shameful (though it is, and that should be obvious) but rather that the unrepentant attitude is - or in other words, it's shameful to not feel shameful about it). It's another thing altogether to try and excuse sinful behavior as not sinful at all because it's just "normal", which adds shamefulness to the shamefulness. I have looked at the Sports Illustrated swimsuit edition (and other worse things) in the past to look at the pretty girls too. I have never justified this as not a sin. I HUGELY regret that I gave into this "normal" male behavior in my younger years, and feel ashamed that I was weak and did not honor my priesthood as I should in these sorts of ways. Yes, Gator, we all sin. But we have been asked by God to feel sorrow for that sin and repent of it, not to wear it on our sleeves, loud and proud, and to write it off as no sin at all. Edited August 18, 2015 by The Folk Prophet Vort 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) Yes, Gator, we all sin. But we have been asked by God to feel sorrow for that sin and repent of it, not to wear it on our sleeves, loud and proud, and to write it off as no sin at all. Oh I know, My post was totally tongue in cheek. For the record, I do think he should speak to his bishop about it, and I do think looking at that stuff IS sinful. I'm a huge sports fan but I don't read SI. I still really like Waterworld though. :) Edited August 18, 2015 by MormonGator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omegaseamaster75 Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 Oh I know, My post was totally tongue in cheek. For the record, I do think he should speak to his bishop about it, and I do think looking at that stuff IS sinful. I'm a huge sports fan but I don't read SI. I still really like Waterworld though. :)Pray tell what exactly should I say to my bishop about it? Me: Bishop I looked at the SI swim suit edition. Bishop: how did you feel about that? Me: I felt fine about it. Bishop: Ok I walk out of the room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) Pray tell what exactly should I say to my bishop about it? Me: Bishop I looked at the SI swim suit edition. Bishop: how did you feel about that? Me: I felt fine about it. Bishop: Ok I walk out of the room. Great. Than that's between you and God. I always err on talking to the bishop, because only good things can come from it. No, that doesn't mean I have him on my speed dial, but I accept that he knows more about the church rules than I do. If I do something questionable (no, I'm not going to tell you my sins and weaknesses) he can help me with repentance, if I need it. Edited August 18, 2015 by MormonGator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omegaseamaster75 Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 I accept that he knows more about the church rules than I do.You must not know many bishops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted August 18, 2015 Report Share Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) You must not know many bishops lol. I admit it-I don't know many Bishops, but the ones I have met have been truly wonderful people. I consider myself lucky/blessed to have met them. Edited August 18, 2015 by MormonGator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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