mirkwood Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 @MormonGator Oh it's on like Donkey Kong now boy-o (he has seen them live 47 times). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnsonJones Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 11 hours ago, MormonGator said: And I play Dungeons and Dragons too. I've done some research on this since you guys talked about this stuff some weeks ago. There's this tract by this guy called Jack Chick or something. Is it true that you believe you have actual powers the same as your characters. Was his story on Black Leaf based on a real life event. What a tragic story. What level are you up to? How does casting spells work and can you really justify that with being LDS? Kind of a weird hobby, feels almost like mysticism and evil. How many kill themselves each year when their characters die? Do you guys really wear cloaks and such in really weird ceremonies? Did you cry for Black Leaf? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnsonJones Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 On 10/20/2017 at 7:11 PM, Grunt said: By "contributed" do you mean the production of porn or viewing it? Viewing porn is very normal culturally in young adults. I don't think any parent would want their child to produce it, but it's probably only a matter of time before that is normal, too. I support that with the fact that porn stars now leave the industry and move into other public careers successfully. More seriously though, there is some truth and some falsity. In regards to Masturbation, the LDS church is growing to be more singular in it's approach to it. It is true, scripturally, there really is NO basis in the church's standing. If we take a secular look, it started with a craze from the 19th century and quack science. That quackery grew into something accepted in many religions of the time. However, that medical quackery had no substance that is actually found in the Bible. However, we, as LDS, believe that it is tampering with the laws of chastity and things that should be held sacred. On the otherhand, Pornography is something almost every Christian religion has been against. Pornography has been around in some form for thousands of years, and during that time, Christianity has always been against it. This is something that is very much within our American heritage (due to the Christian background, even today, many nations in Europe consider Americans very puritanical...even with how much more lax we've become in that arena). It finds it's root in Matthew 5:28 where the Lord states Quote But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart If one is looking at pornography, it is almost definite that they have certain emotions in his heart. If one is masturbating, many times that same thing can also be stated in addition to the act that they are doing. So, I would actually contest the view that pornography is considered a normal and healthy thing in our society today. I think many have tried to create that illusion, but I think there are MANY in the US that would disagree with that assessment, that in fact, pornography is a terrible thing that plagues our society today. I think LDS may actually take a lesser stance against it (despite what some think, the LDS church thus far, hasn't overly aggressively punished those who have committed this sin, at least as much as some may think it does). There are other Christians that take this FAR more seriously than even the LDS church. I think every evangelical Christian religion, and most of the others do NOT view Pornography as normal or healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnsonJones Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 7 minutes ago, JohnsonJones said: I've done some research on this since you guys talked about this stuff some weeks ago. There's this tract by this guy called Jack Chick or something. Is it true that you believe you have actual powers the same as your characters. Was his story on Black Leaf based on a real life event. What a tragic story. What level are you up to? How does casting spells work and can you really justify that with being LDS? Kind of a weird hobby, feels almost like mysticism and evil. How many kill themselves each year when their characters die? Do you guys really wear cloaks and such in really weird ceremonies? Did you cry for Black Leaf? And now, I can release the punchline. Well, not so much a punchline, but that I was leading you on...in a weird humor sort of way. I found out far more than Jack Chick's tracts. They don't really represent the D&D gamers at all, and are basically seen as a bad joke these days. I actually found out that many seem to find humor in them though. I know all D&D really is, is sort of like the make believe that we used to do as kids, but with rules. Sort of like when I played Cowboys and Indians (actually, it was normally just Cowboys and Cowboys since no one wanted to play the Indians unless it was a little brother who we coerced into doing so) when we were younger, but with rules and such that make it so that we can't have the disagreements of things like...I shot you...no you didn't...etc. It's also tends to be cooperative, and takes place in a fantasy setting. It's not taken literally or that seriously by the players, and they play it just like we would play any other game (though there are some that are far more serious about it than others, it being more of a serious hobby for them, than just another boardgame). See...I know a little about your hobby now. Obviously not everything, but somewhat about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 (edited) 8 hours ago, JohnsonJones said: There's this tract by this guy called Jack Chick or something. Jack Chick was a lunatic who hated Catholics, Mormons and anything that wasn't fundamentalist Christian. Check your sources. 8 hours ago, JohnsonJones said: Was his story on Black Leaf based on a real life event. What a tragic story. No idea. I don't take anything he says seriously. 8 hours ago, JohnsonJones said: What level are you up to? How does casting spells work and can you really justify that with being LDS? It's the character that does it, not you personally. It's impossible to explain Dungeons and Dragons to someone who has never played before. 8 hours ago, JohnsonJones said: How many kill themselves each year when their characters die? 0. If that happened there would be massive, widespread suicides every days. 8 hours ago, JohnsonJones said: Do you guys really wear cloaks and such in really weird ceremonies? No, I usually wear shorts and a t shirt. 8 hours ago, JohnsonJones said: I've done some research on this Might want to check your sources again... Edited October 22, 2017 by MormonGator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jane_Doe Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 (edited) 9 hours ago, JohnsonJones said: And now, I can release the punchline. Well, not so much a punchline, but that I was leading you on...in a weird humor sort of way. I found out far more than Jack Chick's tracts. They don't really represent the D&D gamers at all, and are basically seen as a bad joke these days. I actually found out that many seem to find humor in them though. I know all D&D really is, is sort of like the make believe that we used to do as kids, but with rules. Sort of like when I played Cowboys and Indians (actually, it was normally just Cowboys and Cowboys since no one wanted to play the Indians unless it was a little brother who we coerced into doing so) when we were younger, but with rules and such that make it so that we can't have the disagreements of things like...I shot you...no you didn't...etc. It's also tends to be cooperative, and takes place in a fantasy setting. It's not taken literally or that seriously by the players, and they play it just like we would play any other game (though there are some that are far more serious about it than others, it being more of a serious hobby for them, than just another boardgame). See...I know a little about your hobby now. Obviously not everything, but somewhat about it. I want to reply to this, but don't want to derail @Grunt's thread. So I'll go start a new thread. New thread: Edited October 22, 2017 by Jane_Doe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirkwood Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 47 minutes ago, Jane_Doe said: I want to reply to this, but don't want to derail @Grunt's thread. So I'll go start a new thread. lol...that has never stopped @MormonGator from posting... Jane_Doe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightSG Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 12 hours ago, MormonGator said: It's the character that does it, not you personally. Try convincing some of our local gamers of that. There's a group of them that hangs out at the local McD's to play when the game shop is closed, (i.e. Sunday and Monday nights, and the rest of the week from 10PM until at least 2AM) and they're pretty much the stereotype of undesirable gamers; all morbidly obese, with hygiene a hobo would be ashamed of, and apparently no other interests, or desire to have any other interests in their lives. I've actually been tempted to intervene a couple times when one of them started trying to flirt with an employee...by telling her all about his paladin. Unfortunately, the only thing I could come up with at the moment that he'd understand (short of intense pain) would be shaming his (really almost as pathetic as the player) paladin with the stats of my cleric. In retrospect, that might have been a good thing; showing all present that it's possible to draw a very distinct line between a hobby and a life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 13 minutes ago, NightSG said: all morbidly obese, with hygiene a hobo would be ashamed of, and apparently no other interests, or desire to have any other interests in their lives. Hey pal, enough with the comments about what my friends and I do late at night. Are you Facebook stalking me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirkwood Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 3 hours ago, MormonGator said: Hey pal, enough with the comments about what my friends and I do late at night. Are you Facebook stalking me? Don't do it @NightSG trust me on this one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Karma Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 On 10/21/2017 at 11:15 AM, MormonGator said: And I play Dungeons and Dragons too. Me too! Fun stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grunt Posted October 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 32 minutes ago, Bad Karma said: Me too! Fun stuff. Hmmm. I may need to rethink this Mormon thing...... zil and askandanswer 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Karma Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 5 minutes ago, Grunt said: Hmmm. I may need to rethink this Mormon thing...... *lol* Hey man, you mean to tell me as an eleven bang bang you never played D&D inside the wire on down time? I don't believe it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Karma Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 22 hours ago, NightSG said: they're pretty much the stereotype of undesirable gamers; all morbidly obese, with hygiene a hobo would be ashamed of, and apparently no other interests, or desire to have any other interests in their lives. *Scoff* I'll have you know that while I am a short 5' 08", I am 148 lbs, a total clean freak. My primary interests besides my family are fishing, hunting, paragliding, hang gliding, sky diving, and Scuba Diving, and yes, I also like gaming with the same friends that I had when I was 12, and I am 50 (Ew, I hate that number) now. Don't be hating on my nerd-dom now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grunt Posted October 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 5 minutes ago, Bad Karma said: *lol* Hey man, you mean to tell me as an eleven bang bang you never played D&D inside the wire on down time? I don't believe it! Not in a million years. They Just now, Bad Karma said: *Scoff* I'll have you know that while I am a short 5' 08", I am 148 lbs, a total clean freak. My primary interests besides my family are fishing, hunting, paragliding, hang gliding, sky diving, and Scuba Diving, and yes, I also like gaming with the same friends that I had when I was 12, and I am 50 (Ew, I hate that number) now. Don't be hating on my nerd-dom now! We share quite a few hobbies. Just not the dorky ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 10 minutes ago, Grunt said: Just not the dorky ones. I used to play Magic The Gathering too. Had a blue/white turbo stasis deck that was undefeated for several years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grunt Posted October 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 4 minutes ago, MormonGator said: I used to play Magic The Gathering too. Had a blue/white turbo stasis deck that was undefeated for several years. I wonder what's up in the Catholic Hub...... zil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 Just now, Grunt said: I wonder what's up in the Catholic Hub...... I was taught how to play Magic in my Catholic high school! lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grunt Posted October 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 1 minute ago, MormonGator said: I was taught how to play Magic in my Catholic high school! lol. Well, the last remaining Shaker community isn't far away.... zil and askandanswer 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 Just now, Grunt said: Well, the last remaining Shaker community isn't far away.... I grew up about thirty minutes from there. When I was in grade school there were only a few left, so good luck. Shaker Village is a blast to visit though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grunt Posted October 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, MormonGator said: I grew up about thirty minutes from there. When I was in grade school there were only a few left, so good luck. Shaker Village is a blast to visit though. That one closed. (It's now a tourist attraction) The last one is in Maine and has two members left. Edited October 24, 2017 by Grunt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 7 minutes ago, Grunt said: That one closed. (It's now a tourist attraction) Not surprising. The two or three left were in their 70's when I was a kid, and that was thirty years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
askandanswer Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 30 minutes ago, MormonGator said: Not surprising. The two or three left were in their 70's when I was a kid, and that was thirty years ago. Forty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 3 minutes ago, askandanswer said: Forty And I'd still be several decades younger than you gramps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
askandanswer Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 Its not that I think you're being dishonest about your age - I just have doubts about your ability to count properly. I know this because I'm the one who paid for your education. On 10/22/2017 at 1:07 AM, MormonGator said: Actually I told them to bill some guy in Australia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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