dahlia Posted November 28, 2017 Report Posted November 28, 2017 So I was watching a documentary showing Roosevelt getting sworn in and I wondered, when taking office or swearing in court, what do Mormons swear on? The Bible? The Book of Mormon? A Quad? Could you swear on the BOM? Do Mormons take oaths? pwrfrk 1 Quote
Sunday21 Posted November 29, 2017 Report Posted November 29, 2017 On 11/28/2017 at 11:19 PM, dahlia said: So I was watching a documentary showing Roosevelt getting sworn in and I wondered, when taking office or swearing in court, what do Mormons swear on? The Bible? The Book of Mormon? A Quad? Could you swear on the BOM? Do Mormons take oaths? Expand I have never been sworn into office but I can’t see any reason why lds would not do the standard procedure and use the bible. Quote
Alex Posted November 29, 2017 Report Posted November 29, 2017 (edited) On 11/28/2017 at 11:19 PM, dahlia said: So I was watching a documentary showing Roosevelt getting sworn in and I wondered, when taking office or swearing in court, what do Mormons swear on? The Bible? The Book of Mormon? A Quad? Could you swear on the BOM? Do Mormons take oaths? Expand Yes, Mormons take oaths and swear on the scriptures... it's on the individual's head if s/he swears under oath and knowingly lies. The abuse of swearing by the heavens above or the earth etc is what the commandment is about- knowingly lying and calling god into it is the sin. People read that commandment literally and assume the sin is swearing but the commandment is all about not bringing down a double portion of judgement upon your own head should you lie. The lie is the first transgression and the swearing upon such and such in order to bolster the lie is the second sin. Hmm, it's sort of related (the double damnation) but I was reading Talmage on Judas recently and Judas added a double portion to his fate by having a go at Mary Mag when she washed the Savior's feet with expensive oil- see, he thought he was cunning by claiming that the oil could have been sold and the money given to the poor yet he betrayed the Savior for personal gain (money). Edited November 29, 2017 by Alex dahlia 1 Quote
beefche Posted November 29, 2017 Report Posted November 29, 2017 Is this a stupid convert asking a question? Or a stupid question by a convert? GaleG, mordorbund and dahlia 3 Quote
Guest MormonGator Posted November 29, 2017 Report Posted November 29, 2017 (edited) It's not a dumb question at all! I'd swear on the BOM and Bible if I ever ran for office (unlikely) and won (very unlikely). Edited November 29, 2017 by MormonGator Quote
Grunt Posted November 29, 2017 Report Posted November 29, 2017 (edited) On 11/29/2017 at 1:00 AM, MormonGator said: It's not a dumb question at all! I'd swear on the BOM and Bible if I ever ran for office (unlikely) and won (very unlikely). Expand I used to think that......yet here I am. Doesn't say much about the voters in my town. Edited November 29, 2017 by Grunt Quote
Guest MormonGator Posted November 29, 2017 Report Posted November 29, 2017 On 11/29/2017 at 2:17 AM, Grunt said: I used to think that......yet here I am. Doesn't say much about the voters in my town. Expand Reporter: So Mr. Buckley, in the unlikely event you won the mayoral race, what would you do? William F Buckley: Demand a recount. Quote
zil Posted November 29, 2017 Report Posted November 29, 2017 On 11/29/2017 at 2:17 AM, Grunt said: I used to think that......yet here I am. Doesn't say much about the voters in my town. Expand Are we gonna have to call you the Honorable (or something) Grunt from now on? Quote
Guest Posted November 29, 2017 Report Posted November 29, 2017 (edited) Yes, we take oaths of office and of enlistment in the military. We'd traditionally swear on the Bible (for public office or jury duty). But I have heard of (very rare) certain individuals who've made the choice to swear on a quad or BoM (all three were unconfirmed). Never hear about anyone swearing on the PoGP or the D&C. But it is perfectly normal for a Mormon to swear on the King James Bible. The subject of taking oaths is somewhat foggy. But I don't see any problem with taking an oath to uphold and defend a document which our scriptures state was inspired by God Himself. Edited November 29, 2017 by Guest Quote
anatess2 Posted November 29, 2017 Report Posted November 29, 2017 On 11/29/2017 at 4:25 AM, Carborendum said: Yes, we'd traditionally swear on the Bible. But I have heard of (very rare) certain individuals who've made the choice to swear on a quad or BoM. But it is perfectly normal for a Mormon to swear on the King James Bible. Expand I've never really thought about this before! Is there an atheist that has been in office? Do they swear on something? Crypto 1 Quote
Guest Posted November 29, 2017 Report Posted November 29, 2017 On 11/29/2017 at 4:30 AM, anatess2 said: I've never really thought about this before! Is there an atheist that has been in office? Do they swear on something? Expand No, that is where the "or affirm" language came from. Atheists will say "I solemnly affirm..." and don't use any book. However, I remember a rumor about one of the famous atheists (Hitchens, I believe) who went to jury duty swearing on "Origin of Species" or something like that. Whatever. It takes all kinds. Quote
anatess2 Posted November 29, 2017 Report Posted November 29, 2017 On 11/29/2017 at 4:32 AM, Carborendum said: No, that is where the "or affirm" language came from. Atheists will say "I solemnly affirm..." and don't use any book. However, I remember a rumor about one of the famous atheists (Hitchens, I believe) who went to jury duty swearing on "Origin of Species" or something like that. Whatever. It takes all kinds. Expand That's hilarious! Although, it may not have been hilarious for Hitchens... I can imagine some Italian swearing over their dead mother's grave or something - like bring a picture of the grave and use that instead of a book. Crypto 1 Quote
Guest Posted November 29, 2017 Report Posted November 29, 2017 (edited) On 11/29/2017 at 4:35 AM, anatess2 said: That's hilarious! Although, it may not have been hilarious for Hitchens... I can imagine some Italian swearing over their dead mother's grave or something - like bring a picture of the grave and use that instead of a book. Expand It was just a rumor. I tend to believe people like Hitchens aren't exactly "civic minded" enough to actually submit to Jury Duty if there were some way to avoid it. And it would be easy for a man like him. He'd just have to be his normal "charming" self and they'd excuse him in a split second. Edited November 29, 2017 by Guest Quote
Grunt Posted November 29, 2017 Report Posted November 29, 2017 On 11/29/2017 at 4:15 AM, zil said: Are we gonna have to call you the Honorable (or something) Grunt from now on? Expand That was over a year ago. I did a write-in campaign in my podunk town. I won with 6 votes. Not BY 6 votes. WITH 6 votes AND there were other people actually on the ballot. zil 1 Quote
anatess2 Posted November 29, 2017 Report Posted November 29, 2017 On 11/29/2017 at 2:26 PM, Grunt said: That was over a year ago. I did a write-in campaign in my podunk town. I won with 6 votes. Not BY 6 votes. WITH 6 votes AND there were other people actually on the ballot. Expand Well... 6 votes is plenty for the Homeowners Association. Quote
Grunt Posted November 29, 2017 Report Posted November 29, 2017 On 11/29/2017 at 3:14 PM, anatess2 said: Well... 6 votes is plenty for the Homeowners Association. Expand HA! I'm willing to bet there isn't an HOA within 30 minutes of me. Quote
anatess2 Posted November 29, 2017 Report Posted November 29, 2017 On 11/29/2017 at 3:17 PM, Grunt said: HA! I'm willing to bet there isn't an HOA within 30 minutes of me. Expand I need to move there. Grunt 1 Quote
dahlia Posted December 1, 2017 Author Report Posted December 1, 2017 On 11/29/2017 at 1:00 AM, beefche said: Is this a stupid convert asking a question? Or a stupid question by a convert? Expand I'll take either one. Quote
pwrfrk Posted June 3, 2018 Report Posted June 3, 2018 It's neither. Converts ask us questions that we likely know the answers to, because they don't know. To a convert it may seem awkward or silly, to those with experience, we understand. Kinda. Kinda like the question "why is this guy necro-posting?" Things that make ya go "hmmmm". 😉 Crypto 1 Quote
Crypto Posted June 8, 2018 Report Posted June 8, 2018 On 6/3/2018 at 4:17 PM, pwrfrk said: It's neither. Converts ask us questions that we likely know the answers to, because they don't know. To a convert it may seem awkward or silly, to those with experience, we understand. Kinda. Kinda like the question "why is this guy necro-posting?" Expand Because I didn't notice at first! Oh wait.... Quote
Blackmarch Posted September 8, 2018 Report Posted September 8, 2018 (edited) On 11/28/2017 at 11:19 PM, dahlia said: So I was watching a documentary showing Roosevelt getting sworn in and I wondered, when taking office or swearing in court, what do Mormons swear on? The Bible? The Book of Mormon? A Quad? Could you swear on the BOM? Do Mormons take oaths? Expand this is a good question even if old, worth for others to see and seeing as its still on the front page here's my 2 cents- yes. we call them covenants as it is a two way oath. generally by saying yes or I do. and it is performed upon the priesthood. also making strong promises in other areas of life to other things should also be taken very seriously as it involves honesty, honor and integrity. Edited September 8, 2018 by Blackmarch Quote
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