New York Times Vilifies President Monson in Obituary

[pam]

I’m peeved. I don’t get peeved often, but I am, and I’ll tell you why. A great man died last week. President Thomas S. Monson. Enough good cannot be said of this man, but this is all The New York Times could muster to say about him after his passing:

 

https://mormonhub.com/blog/buzz/lds-news/nyt-vilifies-president-monson-obituary/

[Guest MormonGator]

It's the Old Gray Lady @pam. I expected nothing less from them. For them, it's ideology uber alles. No, that doesn't make it right and you have every right to be "peeved". But it should be expected coming from an elite, NYC newspaper.

[NeuroTypical]

Anyone remember that old song "one of these things is not like the other"?

 

[Guest MormonGator]

32 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

Anyone remember that old song "one of these things is not like the other"?

 

Remember though-Liberal bias is not a problem you right wing nut. 

And I read the Times every Sunday! 

[Vort]

It's like being angry at a a cow for urinating, or at a hippopotamus for having stinky breath.

[Just_A_Guy]

“Vilify” seems like a strong word.

But, yes; biased liberals gonna biasedly liberalize.  Which is why I don’t subscribe.

[Guest MormonGator]

32 minutes ago, Just_A_Guy said:

“Vilify” seems like a strong word.

But, yes; biased liberals gonna biasedly liberalize.  Which is why I don’t subscribe.

Make no mistake @Just_A_Guy. Elite, "radical chic" society certainly views him (and all active LDS) as villains. 

[pam]

NYT responds to criticism of their obit:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/08/reader-center/thomas-monson-obituary.html

[Jane_Doe]

20 minutes ago, pam said:

NYT responds to criticism of their obit:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/08/reader-center/thomas-monson-obituary.html

This actually gets on my goat more than the original article.  It's them saying "we don't care about doing what's right, only about headlines".  It is shameful to journalists everywhere.  

Granted... what more else did you except from NYT?  I can't even say I'm disappointed- rather this entire fiasco meets my expectations of them perfectly.

Edited January 9, 2018 by Jane_Doe

[Jane_Doe]

The best line I heard from anyone on this "I'm totally shocked- Trump was actually the respectful human being in this matter!"

[JohnsonJones]

23 minutes ago, pam said:

NYT responds to criticism of their obit:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/08/reader-center/thomas-monson-obituary.html

Well, if this doesn't put salt in the wound, I'm not sure what would.  That's a pretty salty response from them, and rather insultive.  I actually have MORE problems with their excuses than I did the original article!  I didn't have too many problem with the original article to be honest (for my reasons, see Vort's response above), but their response...it's still to be expected but it is kind of disgusting.

[pam]

8 hours ago, MormonGator said:

It's the Old Gray Lady @pam. I expected nothing less from them. For them, it's ideology uber alles. No, that doesn't make it right and you have every right to be "peeved". But it should be expected coming from an elite, NYC newspaper.

Well it wasn't me saying I was peeved.  That was the first paragraph of the article. 

[Guest]

14 hours ago, NeuroTypical said:

Anyone remember that old song "one of these things is not like the other"?

Does anyone expect an entity that praises Hugo Chavez and Hugh Hefner to also praise Pres. Monson?  I would hope not.  So, I say to the NYT:  Thank you for your endorsement.

[Guest]

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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/08/reader-center/thomas-monson-obituary.html

I think the obituary was a faithful accounting of the more prominent issues that Mr. Monson encountered and dealt with publicly during his tenure. 

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1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.

2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:

4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

5 ¶ And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

Matt 6:1-6

I see this a fitting tribute to a very humble servant of God.

Edited January 9, 2018 by Guest

[Guest MormonGator]

In fairness, when Billy Graham or Pope Benedict die, the Times will hardly run a glowing piece about them. So it's not an "Anti LDS" thing, it's an "Anti Christian" thing. 

[eVa]

The NYT totally misses the point that church government comes from God, it is not "Mr. Monson's" personal choice to dictate the doctrine we follow.  The tween and follow up article are clear out right attacks on any God loving/following people.  imo...

[NeuroTypical]

12 hours ago, pam said:

NYT responds to criticism of their obit:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/08/reader-center/thomas-monson-obituary.html

"We’re not in the business of paying tribute." - The NYT Obituaries Editor

 

[Guest MormonGator]

What's "nice" (for lack of a better word) to see is people from other religions pay respect to him. Ben Shapiro of course in public- but I've had two of my closet friends (one is hardcore Lutheran-Wisconsin Synod, one is nominally Catholic) send their condolences to me. Very cool to see. 

[Guest]

14 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

"We’re not in the business of paying tribute." - The NYT Obituaries Editor

So... what exactly is an obituary for?

[zil]

41 minutes ago, Carborendum said:

So... what exactly is an obituary for?

The NYT are working to get the spelling "corrected" to "obiteuary".

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, zil said:

The NYT are working to get the spelling "corrected" to "obiteuary".

Now, THAT is genius in word-smithing, right there.

[Vort]

18 minutes ago, zil said:

1 hour ago, Carborendum said:

So... what exactly is an obituary for?

The NYT are working to get the spelling "corrected" to "obiteuary".

In the case of the NYT and its relative proximity to the truth, it's probably more correctly called an "orbituary".

[pam]

48 minutes ago, zil said:

The NYT are working to get the spelling "corrected" to "obiteuary".

I think they write omituaries.  They omit anything that has anything good to say about them Mormons. 

[prisonchaplain]

The NYT in particular, and much of media in general, are so enraged at the recent election, and at the perception that conservative faith communities had much to do with it, that the gloves are off. Whatever shallow deference they used to offer us is gone. The disingenuous part, is that the NYT wants to pretend that nothing has changed--that they have always done obits as news, not as tributes. Yet there are some very telling articles comparing their President Monson obit with that of President Castro (yes, the latter is treated much kinder).

[NeuroTypical]

Politics exist in Obit writing.  I have an embarrassing family story where I was in charge of writing an obit, and a relative asked me to lie on it.  Like, several times.  Like, it was a whole conversation about how I should write that this person graduated college when this person did not graduate college.

Years later, the person doing the asking is now dead, the other person involved in the conversation is dead, and of course the person I wrote the obit for is still dead, so I'm the only one alive who knows the story.  So no reason naming names.  

Just know that yeah, politics exist in obit writing.

Edited January 9, 2018 by NeuroTypical