VelvetShadow Posted July 16, 2018 Report Posted July 16, 2018 Hello all, I'm still reading the Book of Mormon for the first time to know for myself if it is true. Anyway, I re-read the testimony of the 3 and 8 witnesses in the introduction the other day and it really started hitting home as to what that means. So I started wondering about these people, so I started looking for references and information about them and would love any links to articles or church information about these people (please only mormon approved information, I'm not interested in non-mormon websites I don't trust them) I found this article but anything else you can give me to read would be amazing and very much appreciated. https://history.lds.org/article/doctrine-and-covenants-three-witnesses?lang=eng JohnsonJones 1 Quote
Sunday21 Posted July 16, 2018 Report Posted July 16, 2018 https://www.fairmormon.org/answers/Book_of_Mormon/Witnesses https://www.lds.org/bc/content/shared/content/images/gospel-library/manual/32506/32506_000_057_03-witnesses.pdf JohnsonJones, VelvetShadow and Midwest LDS 2 1 Quote
Sunday21 Posted July 16, 2018 Report Posted July 16, 2018 (edited) http://www.ldsliving.com/What-Happened-to-the-3-Witnesses/s/79341 http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Book_of_Mormon_Witnesses https://rsc.byu.edu/archived/evaluating-book-mormon-witnesses Edited July 16, 2018 by Sunday21 askandanswer, JohnsonJones, VelvetShadow and 1 other 2 2 Quote
zil Posted July 16, 2018 Report Posted July 16, 2018 You might look them up here to see what you can find: http://www.josephsmithpapers.org/reference/people Midwest LDS and VelvetShadow 1 1 Quote
VelvetShadow Posted July 16, 2018 Author Report Posted July 16, 2018 Awesome! Thank you both so much 😎 Quote
Guest MormonGator Posted July 16, 2018 Report Posted July 16, 2018 Cool fact-even though all three witnesses broke from the church, they never denied seeing the Golden Plates. Quote
VelvetShadow Posted July 16, 2018 Author Report Posted July 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, MormonGator said: Cool fact-even though all three witnesses broke from the church, they never denied seeing the Golden Plates. Didn't know that, that is very cool! Quote
theplains Posted July 29, 2018 Report Posted July 29, 2018 On 7/16/2018 at 5:42 PM, MormonGator said: Cool fact-even though all three witnesses broke from the church, they never denied seeing the Golden Plates. I saw this on Wikipedia but not sure how acturate it is. "Whitmer moved to Richmond, Missouri, where he ran a livery stable and became a civic leader. After Smith's assassination, Whitmer, like Martin Harris, briefly followed James Strang, who had his own set of supernatural metal plates. Later, Whitmer organized his own splinter group based on his authority as one of the Three Witnesses and even later supported another group headed by his brother John. In his pamphlet, "An Address to All Believers in Christ" (1887), Whitmer reaffirmed his witness to the golden plates,[54] but he also criticized Smith, including the introduction of plural marriage. "If you believe my testimony to the Book of Mormon, if you believe that God spake to us three witnesses by his own voice," wrote Whitmer, "then I tell you that in June, 1838, God spake to me again by his own voice from the heavens, and told me to 'separate myself from among the Latter Day Saints, for as they sought to do unto me, should it be done unto them.'".[55] Nevertheless, Whitmer is regarded by Mormons as an "enduring witness to the genuineness of the prophet Joseph Smith and his message."[53] Jim VelvetShadow, JohnsonJones and Midwest LDS 3 Quote
Queolby Posted August 4, 2018 Report Posted August 4, 2018 Some distort the historical record to make it appear that David Whitmer left the Church because he was told to, when it fact he was excommunicated prior to claiming any revelation to do so. The command to leave, if it was a true revelation, involved David's physical safety and not his membership in the Church, which he had already renounced. Whitmer was not instructed to leave the Church or "repudiate Mormonism," he was instructed (by God) to leave Far West after he was already excommunicated. This was arguably a very prudent course, both for Whitmer's safety and the integrity of the Restoration witnesses. Whitmer's witness of the Book of Mormon and seeing the angel is much more powerful since he forcefully maintained it even after he left the Church and disagreed with Joseph Smith. Midwest LDS, JohnsonJones and askandanswer 3 Quote
Queolby Posted August 4, 2018 Report Posted August 4, 2018 Cowdery later said: “I beheld with my eyes. And handled with my hands the gold plates from which it was translated. I also beheld the Interpreters.” Oliver Cowdery, the most constant and involved witness to the miraculous translation, always affirmed the divinity of the process. Though later disaffected for a time from the Church, he nevertheless came humbly back. He spoke forthrightly about how he "wrote with my own pen the intire book of Mormon (save a few pages) as it fell from the Lips of the prophet." Oliver would not have humbly returned to the Church at all, especially seeking no station, had there been any kind of fraud! After the appearance to Cowdery and Whitmer, Joseph went searching for Harris, who had gone further into the woods. Harris asked Joseph to pray with him, and at length, they later reported, their desires were fulfilled. Joseph said he saw the same vision as before, and Harris cried out “in an ecstasy of Joy”: “’Tis enough; ’tis enough; mine eyes have beheld.” At the close of the vision he jumped up, shouted “Hosanna,” and blessed God. Harris later signed a statement with Cowdery and Whitmer saying that they had seen an angel and heard a voice commanding that “we should bear record.” Harris Switch out seer Stone for a fake. "Once Martin found a rock closely resembling the seerstone Joseph sometimes used in place of the interpreters and substituted it without the Prophet’s knowledge. When the translation resumed, Joseph paused for a long time and then exclaimed, “Martin, what is the matter, all is as dark as Egypt.” Martin then confessed that he wished to “stop the mouths of fools” who told him that the Prophet memorized sentences and merely repeated them." askandanswer, JohnsonJones and Midwest LDS 3 Quote
NeuroTypical Posted August 5, 2018 Report Posted August 5, 2018 Hi Queolby, if you're going to cut and paste stuff, make sure you use quotes and cite your source please. https://www.fairmormon.org/answers/David_Whitmer Quote
Queolby Posted August 18, 2018 Report Posted August 18, 2018 On 8/4/2018 at 9:06 PM, NeuroTypical said: Hi Queolby, if you're going to cut and paste stuff, make sure you use quotes and cite your source please. https://www.fairmormon.org/answers/David_Whitmer I actually got it from my scriptures. I don't remember if I got them from that website or not. Quote
GaleG Posted December 12, 2018 Report Posted December 12, 2018 On 7/29/2018 at 5:06 PM, theplains said: I saw this on Wikipedia but not sure how acturate it is. "Whitmer moved to Richmond, Missouri, where he ran a livery stable and became a civic leader. After Smith's assassination, Whitmer, like Martin Harris, briefly followed James Strang, who had his own set of supernatural metal plates I looked at the wiki link but don't see where these plates came from or where they went. Gale Quote
mordorbund Posted December 12, 2018 Report Posted December 12, 2018 15 hours ago, GaleG said: I looked at the wiki link but don't see where these plates came from or where they went. Gale https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voree_plates While comparisons to Smith and the Book of Mormon witnesses is natural, one key difference is that Strang's witnesses were the equivalent of Smith's 8 witnesses. They testified that they saw plates, that they were written in an unknown language, etc, but Strang did not have witnesses who saw the same angel he did or who heard a divine voice testifying of the accuracy of the translation. The Folk Prophet 1 Quote
The Folk Prophet Posted December 12, 2018 Report Posted December 12, 2018 12 minutes ago, mordorbund said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voree_plates While comparisons to Smith and the Book of Mormon witnesses is natural, one key difference is that Strang's witnesses were the equivalent of Smith's 8 witnesses. They testified that they saw plates, that they were written in an unknown language, etc, but Strang did not have witnesses who saw the same angel he did or who heard a divine voice testifying of the accuracy of the translation. I dare say there's a pretty big difference here, eh? "I witness that [person] had some pieces of metal with some crazy crap scratched on them." vs. "I witness that an angel of God appeared before me and showed me the metal plates that [person] claimed to have" Not exactly the same sort of testimony. Midwest LDS 1 Quote
Emmanuel Goldstein Posted January 24, 2019 Report Posted January 24, 2019 (edited) Mary Whitmer was also allowed to see the plates. She had a visitor that showed them to her because of her faithfulness. Mary, afterward referred to this visitor as "Brother Nephi" for the rest of her life. He may have been one of the Three Disciples that were given power over death. Some later versions say it was Moroni, but the original sources disagree with them. https://www.mormoninterpreter.com/another-account-of-mary-whitmers-viewing-of-the-golden-plates/ Edited January 24, 2019 by Emmanuel Goldstein Quote
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