Traveler Posted May 21 Author Report Posted May 21 51 minutes ago, Phoenix_person said: Comey may not be backwater, but he is an idiot. He's also been out of government since 2017, and I think it's safe to say that he probably doesn't have many friends in this administration's Bureau. He's a private citizen, and if private citizens making juvenile, idiotic social media posts is illegal, then Facebook is the world's largest crime scene. It is not uncommon for a person to wield a great deal of power while posing as a bumbling idiot. We see this in literature with various heroes like Zorro, Batman and the all-powerful Superman. A prime element of an evil character is often someone utilizing various methods of plausible deniability of their involvement. This is not uncommon at all currently as leaders of nations race into war blaming their actions on their enemy justifying those they intend to kill or allow openly to be killed. The Traveler Phoenix_person 1 Quote
Phoenix_person Posted May 21 Report Posted May 21 2 minutes ago, Traveler said: It is not uncommon for a person to wield a great deal of power while posing as a bumbling idiot. We see this in literature with various heroes like Zorro, Batman and the all-powerful Superman. A prime element of an evil character is often someone utilizing various methods of plausible deniability of their involvement. This is not uncommon at all currently as leaders of nations race into war blaming their actions on their enemy justifying those they intend to kill or allow openly to be killed. The Traveler I agree with your general statement. I disagree with the specific insinuation that James Comey, a man deeply despised on both sides of the political aisle, has been anything other than a bumbling idiot for the last 7 years. Quote
Traveler Posted May 21 Author Report Posted May 21 16 minutes ago, Phoenix_person said: Distasteful, juvenile, and idiotic? Yes, definitely. Grounds for legal action? No. I am not sure this is correct. We live in a very litigious society. Some consider using literal pronouns a crime The Traveler Quote
Traveler Posted May 21 Author Report Posted May 21 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Phoenix_person said: I agree with your general statement. I disagree with the specific insinuation that James Comey, a man deeply despised on both sides of the political aisle, has been anything other than a bumbling idiot for the last 7 years. Some would think the same of Hitler. By himself he accomplished little. The primary problem was from those that agreed enough (and in league) to do something about what he was saying. If enough of those of left leaning in our politics, that hold positions of power wanted to do something about his bumbling “mistakes” - he would not be living in luxury or getting any attention. The Traveler Edited May 21 by Traveler JohnsonJones 1 Quote
Phoenix_person Posted May 21 Report Posted May 21 9 minutes ago, Traveler said: I am not sure this is correct. We live in a very litigious society. Some consider using literal pronouns a crime The Traveler Then it's a good thing our laws are enforced by courts and not outraged citizens on the internet. Just because I get sued or charged for something doesn't mean I committed a crime. JohnsonJones and Traveler 2 Quote
Phoenix_person Posted May 21 Report Posted May 21 3 minutes ago, Traveler said: Some would think the same of Hitler. By himself he accomplished little. The primary problem was from those that agreed enough (and in league) to do something about what he was saying. If enough of those of left leaning in our politics, that hold positions of power wanted to do something about his bumbling “mistakes” - he would not be living in luxury or getting any attention. The Traveler 1. Godwin! 2. Believe me, there's far worse anti-Trump content out there than numbers on a beach. You're reaching. Quote
Ironhold Posted May 21 Report Posted May 21 1 hour ago, Phoenix_person said: Distasteful, juvenile, and idiotic? Yes, definitely. Grounds for legal action? No. Point of note - Circa 2005, one of the "shock jock" types that Air America Radio had as a host did a skit in which she played gunfire sound effects on top of a recording of Dubya speaking. Cue the Secret Service paying her a visit. So the historical threshold for Secret Service involvement actually is quite low. Quote
LDSGator Posted May 21 Report Posted May 21 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Ironhold said: Point of note - Circa 2005, one of the "shock jock" types that Air America Radio had as a host did a skit in which she played gunfire sound effects on top of a recording of Dubya speaking. Cue the Secret Service paying her a visit. So the historical threshold for Secret Service involvement actually is quite low. W was despised as much as Trump is, but our short memories struggle with that. Bush was too nice a guy to push back (metaphorically) while Trump is so thin skinned that he’ll punch back to everything. I think that’s a big reason why MAGA likes him. Trump fulfills their dark fantasies by being as a nasty as possible to those who disagree with him. It’s a little troubling, actually. Edited May 21 by LDSGator Phoenix_person 1 Quote
LDSGator Posted May 21 Report Posted May 21 2 hours ago, Phoenix_person said: Distasteful, juvenile, and idiotic? Yes, definitely. Grounds for legal action? No. As a comedian, her biggest “crime” was that it wasn’t funny. A good comedian can get political points across while being funny. Phoenix_person 1 Quote
NeuroTypical Posted May 21 Report Posted May 21 (edited) Since we're all reminiscing about history: I remember when Pres. Obama was elected, and there was a nationwide two year long run on ammunition. I never really figured out why though. I heard that law enforcement was stocking up and that was the reason. Plenty of folks on the left were claiming it was me and mine who were arming up to overthrow the govt because a black person was in charge and we supposedly just couldn't handle it. I thought that was odd. I was a member of all sorts of 2A and gulcher and patriot/survivalist forums back then, but nobody was talking about assassinating the president. There was plenty of talk (like there always is in those circles) about how the nation was about to fall and it was time to get your preps in place, so you can defend your family when everything collapses. But zero talk about Obama. The folks passionate enough to hate, all hated Hillary and Bill. There are always fringey dangerous people out there, in every demographic, on all sides. But the left has always been more willing to do violence in the name of politics, and it has been getting worse for a decade. The ascension of social media saw popularization of the term "unalive" as a way to get around filters and flagging law enforcement. I got told to unalive myself on at least two occasions that I can remember, back when arguing on facebook was a thing. Goofy nonserious CHAZ/CHOP uprising/occupation eventually ended after folks started getting killed, as the natural progression of progressive anarchy reached it's logical conclusion and they started killing each other. BLM and Antifa ramped up the violence from the left to a nationwide phenomenon, causing billions (maybe a trillion?) in damage. When Roe v. Wade got overturned, I noticed an uptick in random folks on the left talking violence. Twitter was notorious for censoring right speech and letting left speech fly at the time: Then at least two folks tried to assassinate Trump. Can't really peg 'em as leftists, although both of them did donate to ActBlue at one point in their lives. Then the UHC CEO got offed. It wasn't by a right winger. @Phoenix_person has been coming here ever since the election sharing stories about how he's seeing his progressive left circles getting a bit more armed up. Every month, I get a tad more nervous living in Colorado. Our long term planning now has us bailing on this state before it turns into Portland. Edited May 21 by NeuroTypical Quote
Carborendum Posted May 22 Report Posted May 22 14 hours ago, NeuroTypical said: I remember when Pres. Obama was elected, and there was a nationwide two year long run on ammunition. I never really figured out why though. Really? I lived in Colorado at the time, about an hour away from where you are now. Most of us in rural CO had a pretty good idea. 14 hours ago, NeuroTypical said: Plenty of folks on the left were claiming it was me and mine who were arming up to overthrow the govt because a black person was in charge and we supposedly just couldn't handle it. I thought that was odd. Well, they were wrong. It wasn't the right wanting to overthrow the government. It was Obama's rhetoric that he was going to tax (I use the term loosely) all our guns into oblivion. So, we had to stock up before they get too expensive. He said it. We believed him. Thankfully, he didn't really do much on that front. But do you blame us for believing him when he said it? We were told that his 2A agenda wouldn't affect any law-abiding citizen from owning a gun. Our response:"So, you're saying that if we like our guns, we can keep our guns? Why do I not believe you?" 14 hours ago, NeuroTypical said: I was a member of all sorts of 2A and gulcher and patriot/survivalist forums back then, but nobody was talking about assassinating the president. There was plenty of talk (like there always is in those circles) about how the nation was about to fall and it was time to get your preps in place, so you can defend your family when everything collapses. But zero talk about Obama. The folks passionate enough to hate, all hated Hillary and Bill. I was a gulcher. And I think you got it wrong. We were constantly talking about Obama. I don't really recall many of us talking about Bill and Hillary. Why? They were ancient history. No chance Hillary would get elected. (That was the sentiment). 14 hours ago, NeuroTypical said: There are always fringey dangerous people out there, in every demographic, on all sides. But the left has always been more willing to do violence in the name of politics, and it has been getting worse for a decade. Indeed...Tesla, anyone? NeuroTypical 1 Quote
mirkwood Posted May 22 Report Posted May 22 20 hours ago, Phoenix_person said: Distasteful, juvenile, and idiotic? Yes, definitely. Grounds for legal action? No. You were throwing turds, just admit it. Quote
NeuroTypical Posted May 22 Report Posted May 22 (edited) 18 hours ago, NeuroTypical said: the left has always been more willing to do violence in the name of politics, and it has been getting worse for a decade. Yeesh. In the hours since I made that post: https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/israeli-embassy-washington-dc-shooting-05-21-25 https://www.wsj.com/us-news/two-israeli-embassy-staffers-killed-in-shooting-near-jewish-museum-in-washington-3154646f?mod=hp_lead_pos7 This guy left behind a manifesto claiming 'armed demonstration' is now justified to oppose Israel because of their actions in Gaza. He dehumanizes his target, stating "Those of us against the genocide take satisfaction in arguing that the perpetrators and abettors have forfeited their humanity. I sympathize with this viewpoint and understand its value in soothing the psyche" It's much easier to kill people if you don't believe they're people. His target were these young folks, engaged to be married. Dude claims a moral high ground here, defending killing by saying "A perpetrator may then be a loving parent, a filial child, a generous and charitable friend, an amiable stranger, capable of moral strength at times when it suits him and sometimes even when it does not, and yet be a monster all the same." Dude is calling everyone against Israel's actions in Gaza to rise up and do similar things. I guess we'll see if BP's voiced concerns get realized and we see more news stories. Edited May 22 by NeuroTypical LDSGator 1 Quote
LDSGator Posted May 22 Report Posted May 22 17 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said: Yeesh. In the hours since I made that post: https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/israeli-embassy-washington-dc-shooting-05-21-25 https://www.wsj.com/us-news/two-israeli-embassy-staffers-killed-in-shooting-near-jewish-museum-in-washington-3154646f?mod=hp_lead_pos7 This guy left behind a manifesto claiming 'armed demonstration' is now justified to oppose Israel because of their actions in Gaza. He dehumanizes his target, stating "Those of us against the genocide take satisfaction in arguing that the perpetrators and abettors have forfeited their humanity. I sympathize with this viewpoint and understand its value in soothing the psyche" It's much easier to kill people if you don't believe they're people. His target were these young folks, engaged to be married. Dude claims a moral high ground here, defending killing by saying "A perpetrator may then be a loving parent, a filial child, a generous and charitable friend, an amiable stranger, capable of moral strength at times when it suits him and sometimes even when it does not, and yet be a monster all the same." Dude is calling everyone against Israel's actions in Gaza to rise up and do similar things. I guess we'll see if BP's voiced concerns get realized and we see more news stories. I’m against the death penalty. But if the animal who shot these innocent people was hanged in the morning I would not cry about it. Quote
LDSGator Posted May 22 Report Posted May 22 https://nypost.com/2025/05/22/us-news/elias-rodriguez-talked-down-about-iraq-war-vet-dad-raised-money-to-attend-leftist-conference/?utm_campaign=iphone_nyp&utm_source=pasteboard_app and your side @Phoenix_person has to accept that this guy was “one of our own”. Bitter medicine. SilentOne and JohnsonJones 1 1 Quote
Phoenix_person Posted Friday at 10:14 AM Report Posted Friday at 10:14 AM 12 hours ago, LDSGator said: https://nypost.com/2025/05/22/us-news/elias-rodriguez-talked-down-about-iraq-war-vet-dad-raised-money-to-attend-leftist-conference/?utm_campaign=iphone_nyp&utm_source=pasteboard_app and your side @Phoenix_person has to accept that this guy was “one of our own”. Bitter medicine. Absolutely agree. I've seen nothing but condemnation for this unconscionable act from like-minded folks. NeuroTypical, JohnsonJones and LDSGator 3 Quote
Carborendum Posted Friday at 01:00 PM Report Posted Friday at 01:00 PM (edited) 21 hours ago, NeuroTypical said: Yeesh. In the hours since I made that post: https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/israeli-embassy-washington-dc-shooting-05-21-25 https://www.wsj.com/us-news/two-israeli-embassy-staffers-killed-in-shooting-near-jewish-museum-in-washington-3154646f?mod=hp_lead_pos7 This guy left behind a manifesto claiming 'armed demonstration' is now justified to oppose Israel because of their actions in Gaza. He dehumanizes his target, stating "Those of us against the genocide take satisfaction in arguing that the perpetrators and abettors have forfeited their humanity. I sympathize with this viewpoint and understand its value in soothing the psyche" It's much easier to kill people if you don't believe they're people. His target were these young folks, engaged to be married. Dude claims a moral high ground here, defending killing by saying "A perpetrator may then be a loving parent, a filial child, a generous and charitable friend, an amiable stranger, capable of moral strength at times when it suits him and sometimes even when it does not, and yet be a monster all the same." Dude is calling everyone against Israel's actions in Gaza to rise up and do similar things. I guess we'll see if BP's voiced concerns get realized and we see more news stories. 55% Quote Eyewitnesses told CNN that Rodriguez had waited for police to arrive before saying he carried out the attack “for Gaza.” Once in custody, the gunman chanted: “Free, free Palestine.” May the Lord help the 45%. Indeed, may He help us all. Edited Friday at 01:48 PM by Carborendum Quote
NeuroTypical Posted Friday at 02:14 PM Report Posted Friday at 02:14 PM 3 hours ago, Phoenix_person said: Absolutely agree. I've seen nothing but condemnation for this unconscionable act from like-minded folks. I'm glad to hear it. When this news is covered on tiktok and x, the anonymous comments from folks identifying as the progressive left are about 90/10 in support of dude and his action. It's a universal phenomenon that people talk crap anonymously, and half of the responses are probably bots, but it's still rather chilling to see firsthand. That 10% is nice to see though. Lots of "I'm all in on Gaza and f*** israel but what dude did was wrong". LDSGator and Phoenix_person 2 Quote
NeuroTypical Posted Friday at 03:37 PM Report Posted Friday at 03:37 PM Oof - and more news from the victims: As it happens, Lischinsky was an Israeli Christian who called Israel “the only place in the [Middle East] where Christians can thrive.” Milgrim, an American Jew, worked to build friendships between Israelis and Palestinians as a path to peace. The event they attended was a panel on multifaith humanitarian efforts to aid Gaza and other Arab war zones. Dude sure wrote a nice little manifesto though. Once you start dehumanizing who you think is your enemy, you can justify killing basically anyone. zil2 1 Quote
NeuroTypical Posted Sunday at 12:48 AM Report Posted Sunday at 12:48 AM And just to keep harping on the left for the horrible moral cancer thriving in their midst, have twenty-two thousand likes for the notion that the random target of a random shooting was a terrorist because he lived in Israel: Oh wait - it's up to twenty-five thousand likes now. Careful reading the comments in that link though. It's an interesting mix of reasonable takes, hateful takes, and some of the worst antisemitic horribleness you can find on planet earth. Like, stuff you saw in 1930's nazi propaganda sort of horribleness. Carborendum and mirkwood 2 Quote
Ironhold Posted Sunday at 11:38 PM Report Posted Sunday at 11:38 PM 22 hours ago, NeuroTypical said: And just to keep harping on the left for the horrible moral cancer thriving in their midst, have twenty-two thousand likes for the notion that the random target of a random shooting was a terrorist because he lived in Israel: Remember, the more "progressive" someone claims to be, the greater the odds that they want to see all of us who are members of the church genocided off the face of the planet because they think we're an impediment to their idea of a "progressive" society. It shouldn't be surprising that they hate other religions as well. Quote
JohnsonJones Posted 17 hours ago Report Posted 17 hours ago On 5/2/2025 at 6:48 AM, mirkwood said: I'm aware of all that. None of that changes that 100% of the hospitalizations that I personally know were covid vaxxed. 100% of the people my age who died from Covid were NOT Vaxxed. If we are going by anecdotal information. The only young people I knew who died during that time period, died from other things (suicide, accidents, and other sad situations). Quote
mirkwood Posted 16 hours ago Report Posted 16 hours ago (edited) 1 hour ago, JohnsonJones said: 100% of the people my age who died from Covid were NOT Vaxxed. If we are going by anecdotal information. The only young people I knew who died during that time period, died from other things (suicide, accidents, and other sad situations). Your assertion is not anecdotal. What age? We can fact check that very easily by you giving us that information. Pretty sure when you do, the statistics will show that to be untrue. Prove me wrong. Edited 16 hours ago by mirkwood Carborendum 1 Quote
Carborendum Posted 15 hours ago Report Posted 15 hours ago (edited) 1 hour ago, mirkwood said: Your assertion is not anecdotal. What age? We can fact check that very easily by you giving us that information. Pretty sure when you do, the statistics will show that to be untrue. Prove me wrong. Indeed. The original claims from Pfizer indicated a 95% effectiveness rate (i.e. vaccinated individuals would contract the disease at a rate of 5% of unvaccinated individuals). As the vaccine mutated into additional forms, the efficacy rate went down to 54% (by the 2024-2025 period). So, the vaccination today is essentially a 50/50 shot (no pun intended). Note that for both the 95% and the 54%, that is just the rate of contracting the disease. It is not the death rate. The mortality rate for anyone who contracted the disease (whether vaccinated or unvaccinated) was the same. So, the advice Quote If you're not vaxxed, it'll be worse than if you contract it with the vaccine. was complete rubbish. Man still question whether that 95% number was even real. Virtually all vaccine "test trials" tend to have inflated efficacy numbers -- some more than others. Which category do you think this falls into? And there has been no answer to the "Streisand Effect" of the vaccine. It's somewhat convoluted, so I'll explain. In early days, people who were vaccinated were allowed to go places that unvaccinated people were not allowed to go. They mixed and spread germs thinking they were safe as well as being safe for others. That was proven false. By requiring people to get vaxxed actually increased the spread. I still haven't seen any studies on this. Edited 15 hours ago by Carborendum mirkwood 1 Quote
Carborendum Posted 14 hours ago Report Posted 14 hours ago (edited) On 5/24/2025 at 7:48 PM, NeuroTypical said: And just to keep harping on the left for the horrible moral cancer thriving in their midst, have twenty-two thousand likes for the notion that the random target of a random shooting was a terrorist because he lived in Israel: ... Oh wait - it's up to twenty-five thousand likes now. Careful reading the comments in that link though. It's an interesting mix of reasonable takes, hateful takes, and some of the worst antisemitic horribleness you can find on planet earth. Like, stuff you saw in 1930's nazi propaganda sort of horribleness. That's just anecdotal. Only 55% of liberals support such tactics. The woman (Sarah Milgrim) was a US citizen who happened to work at the embassy. I don't know if she had dual citizenship. Edited 14 hours ago by Carborendum Quote
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