How easy is it ????

[Brother Dorsey]

From my study on the matter.There is no more revelation..The bible stands alone on full athurity and anything added to it or claims to be added to it is not of God..

As I asked Dr T...please, please show me the Biblical scripture that says:

"There is no more revelation..The bible stands alone on full athurity and anything added to it or claims to be added to it is not of God"

Anything at all in the Bible like that? Anything?

[Hemidakota]

What is that statement "your kind" That is so defensive! From my study on the matter.There is no more revelation..The bible stands alone on full athurity and anything added to it or claims to be added to it is not of God.. i know lds disagrees. BUT THIS IS MY DISCLAIMER BECAUSE I AM ON A LDS THREAD..i have no intention to attack you personally. I like to understand how people drive to their conclusions in ALL FAITHS NOT JUST YOURS. It helps me understand people better, it will help us in ministry and it causes me to seek Him with all understanding!

A Christian is a true follower of the divine Christ. As Brother Dorsey alluded too, a Latter Day Saints does fit the bill perfectly.

Yes, there is a continuous of revelation as you receive personal revelation by the Spirit. The bible is incomplete and will always be incomplete as long there is a GOD, a Savior, a Holy Ghost, a prophet, and the Saints who are witness of the same. We are missing massive amount of history from Adam to Moses. We are missing massive amount of history of the Lost Tribes, Enoch’s people, Shem’s People, and others we are not privy too. Not only that, one discover after another of 8,000 scrolls and climbing, brings more light to the growing testament of Christ dealing with humanity through the ages.

[HizWife625]

met the requirements

Hemi:........................There is no way anyone here on earth could ever fulfill the requirements...... You still have not answered if you sin ............. Why not ?

You speak of fulfilling the requirements......... That is work based faith...... Fnally you admitted that the LDS is a work based faith............... Thank you.

Work based defies grace......... What you are saying also is that you are better than me...... Arrogant nd judgemental.

Your testimony violates God's word.

[HizWife625]

HEMI

are you a sinner? Do you sin ?

[Hemidakota]

in Acts 20:17-38, the Apostle Paul has an opportunity to talk to the church leaders in the large city of Ephesus one last time face to face. In that passage, he tells them that false teachers will not only come among them but will come FROM them (vv. 29-30).

Paul does NOT set forth the teaching that they were to follow the "first" organized church as a safeguard for the truth. Rather, he commits them to the safekeeping of "God and to the word of His grace" (v. 32). Thus, truth could be determined by depending upon God and "the word of His grace" (i.e., Scripture, see John 10:35).

This dependence upon the Word of God, rather than following certain individual "founders" is seen again in Galatians 1:8-9, in which Paul states, "But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed."

Thus, the basis for determining truth from error is not based upon even WHO it is that is teaching it, “we or an angel from heaven,” but whether it is the same gospel that they had already received – and this gospel is recorded in Scripture

The only infallible standard that Scripture says that we have is the Bible (Isaiah 8:20; 2 Timothy 3:15-17; Matthew 5:18; John 10:35; Isaiah 40:8; 1 Peter 2:25; Galatians 1:6-9). Tradition is a part of every church, and that tradition must be compared to God's Word, lest it go against what is true (Mark 7:1-13). It is true that the cults and sometimes orthodox churches twist the interpretation of Scripture to support their practices; nonetheless, Scripture, when taken in context and faithfully studied, is able to guide one to the truth.

The “first church” is the church that is recorded in the New Testament, especially in the Book of Acts and the Epistles of Paul. The New Testament church is the “original church” and the “one true church.” We can know this because it is described, in great detail, in Scripture. The church, as recorded in the New Testament, is God’s pattern and foundation for His church. On this basis, let’s examine the Roman Catholic claim that it is the “first church.” Nowhere in the New Testament will you find the “one true church” doing any of the following: praying to Mary, praying to the saints, venerating Mary, submitting to a pope, having a select priesthood, baptizing an infant, observing the ordinances of baptism and the Lord’s Supper as sacraments, or passing on apostolic authority to successors of the apostles. All of these are core elements of the Roman Catholic faith. If most of the core elements of the Roman Catholic Church were not practiced by the New Testament Church (the first church and one true church), how then can the Roman Catholic Church be the first church? A study of the New Testament will clearly reveal that the Roman Catholic Church is not the same church as the church that is described in the New Testament.

The New Testament records the history of the church from approximately A.D. 30 to approximately A.D. 90. In the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th centuries, history records several Roman Catholic doctrines and practices among early Christians. Is it not logical that the earliest Christians would be more likely to understand what the Apostles truly meant? Yes, it is logical, but there is one problem. Christians in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th centuries were not the earliest Christians. Again, the New Testament records the doctrine and practice of the earliest Christians…and, the New Testament does not teach Roman Catholicism. What is the explanation for why the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th century church began to exhibit signs of Roman Catholicism?

The answer is simple – the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th century (and following) church did not have the complete New Testament. Churches had portions of the New Testament, but the New Testament (and the full Bible) were not commonly available until after the invention of the printing press in A.D. 1440. The early church did its best in passing on the teachings of the apostles through oral tradition, and through extremely limited availability to the Word in written form. At the same time, it is easy to see how false doctrine could creep into a church that only had access to the Book of Galatians, for example. It is very interesting to note that the Protestant Reformation followed very closely after the invention of the printing press and the translation of the Bible into the common languages of the people. Once people began to study the Bible for themselves, it became very clear how far the Roman Catholic Church had departed from the church that is described in the New Testament.

Scripture never mentions using "which church came first" as the basis for determining which is the "true" church. What it does teach is that one is to use Scripture as the determining factor as to which church is preaching the truth and thus is true to the first church. It is especially important to compare Scripture with a church's teaching on such core issues as the full deity and humanity of Christ, the atonement for sin through His blood on Calvary, salvation from sin by grace through faith, and the infallibility of the Scriptures.

The “first church” and “one true church” is recorded in the New Testament. That is the church that all churches are to follow, emulate, and model themselves after

The CHURCH are the believers who surrender thier life the Triune God....The Father, The Son and the who are ONE.....not three.......

Triune is nothing more than three heads on one body? Have you been using this word and expressing or conveying a Catholic doctrine of Trinity to others? The land of India uses the same term and uses it correctly.

Christ is organized....purpose having such on this earth is one church; if not then take a gander tonight and look into that universe...may shed some light how organized the universe is....

[HizWife625]

A GOD ?????????

There is only ONE God and His wonderful name is Jesus Christ ...........

Exodus 23:32

Thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor with their gods.

Exodus 32:1

And when the people saw that Moses delayed to come down out of the mount, the people gathered themselves together unto Aaron, and said unto him, Up, make us gods, which shall go before us; for as for this Moses, the man that brought us up out of the land of Egypt, we wot not what is become of him

Acts 4:12

Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Philippians 2:10

That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

[HizWife625]

HEMI

are you a sinner? Do you sin ?

Why do you evade answering this question?

[Hemidakota]

met the requirements

Hemi:........................There is no way anyone here on earth could ever fulfill the requirements...... You still have not answered if you sin ............. Why not ?

You speak of fulfilling the requirements......... That is work based faith...... Fnally you admitted that the LDS is a work based faith............... Thank you.

Work based defies grace......... What you are saying also is that you are better than me...... Arrogant nd judgemental.

Your testimony violates God's word.

You are not paying attention....problem when someone is trying to [?] on another who is called. See post #124.

Dear sister, stop and listen, something I find it is hard to do when there is no spirit within, go to your knees and ask GOD if I am right. I have that level of faith. Do you? I do see also, you like to mince words that will fill your limited thoughts. As a convert, expectation is always the same from these types of people.

Now, if you can’t even comprehend the simplest element, as the grains of sand, you will not comprehend and understand the workings of the Gospel of Jesus Christ in this mortality at this point. Is there hope? Yes…as I said, stay and learn. There are many great sisters and brothers here that can help with the basics.

Regarding your last statement, it has nothing to do with arrogance, but showing you’re errors with proselyting and it is not of GOD. Again, as I stated in the beginning, why are here? To try to preach another gospel not of Christ to those eagles who soar.

[Misshalfway]

Threads like this....arguments like this.....they bring out the worst in people.

[Canuck Mormon]

If the constant bickering back and forth does not stop, I will close the thread. Let's all try and be respectful of others here please.

[HizWife625]

Canuck....completely understood and taken to heart....Thanks for the caution.

Hemi:

Would you please be so kind as to tell me if you sin?

[lostnfound]

hizwife..just my guess. but you can learn alot by the answers to your questions..but the moderater is right...got to be careful about bickering..:) It is a futile discussion..but i have actually learned alot more..thanks you guys.

[Canuck Mormon]

Canuck....completely understood and taken to heart....Thanks for the caution.

Hemi:

Would you please be so kind as to tell me if you sin?

This is the last time that you ask this question. It seems to be a rather silly question as we all sin. Through the power of Forgiveness we will all be forgiven of our sins, if we ask for it.

Next time it is asked, I will edit it out and you will have a time out (24hrs).

[lostnfound]

Yes and no. You never receive sanctification unless you have met the requirements. You will be on the outside looking in; or the one who holds the empty olive oil lamp.

Now, these words maybe meaningless but I am concern over the welfare for those who did have that opportunity and empty their lamps out. As I stated before in another thread, why should an Eagle who soars peck in the dirt with the Chickens?

This is what you are offering to someone who knows the Gospel of Christ. Some food for thought!

i think my post on this got lost..could you help me understand what you are saying?

[HizWife625]

Canuck..... It would be prefectly ok with me if you delete that post and the prior ones with that question.... Please accept my apologies.......

LostnFound..... Thank you. I, too, have learned so much here. I did find exactly what I was looking for. I pray those who read, find it, too.....

10,000 blessings sent your way.

Hemi:

My pastor wanted me to let you know he would be glad to meet with you anytime.

[Jenamarie]

Canuck..... It would be prefectly ok with me if you delete that post and the prior ones with that question.... Please accept my apologies.......

LostnFound..... Thank you. I, too, have learned so much here. I did find exactly what I was looking for. I pray those who read, find it, too.....

10,000 blessings sent your way.

Hemi:

My pastor wanted me to let you know he would be glad to meet with you anytime.

Proof, to me, that you were never here to "understand", but here to preach.

[Canuck Mormon]

You have very right to ask the question, it just gets annoying when it it asked over and over again. No apology necessary.

[HizWife625]

Jesus had a lot to say about sanctification in the Book of John, chapter 17. In verse 16 the Lord says, “They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world,” and this is before His request: “Sanctify them in the truth: Thy word is truth.” Sanctification is a state of separation unto God; all believers enter into this state when they are born of God: “But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God—and righteousness and sanctification and redemption” (1 Corinthians 1:30). This is a once-for-ever separation, eternally unto God. It is an intricate part of our salvation, our connection with Christ (Hebrews 10:10).

Sanctification also refers to the practical experience of this separation unto God, being the effect of obedience to the Word of God in one’s life, and is to be pursued by the believer earnestly (1 Peter 1:15; Hebrews 12:14). Just as the Lord prayed in John 17, it has in view the setting apart of believers for the purpose for which they are sent into the world: “As Thou didst send Me into the world, even so send I them into the world. And for their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they themselves also may be sanctified in truth” (v. 18, 19). That He set Himself apart for the purpose for which He was sent is both the basis and the condition of our being set apart for that for which we are sent (John 10:36). His sanctification is the pattern of, and the power for, ours. The sending and the sanctifying are inseparable. On this account they are called saints, hagioi in the Greek; “sanctified ones.” Whereas previously their behavior bore witness to their standing in the world in separation from God, now their behavior should bear witness to their standing before God in separation from the world.

There is one more sense that the word sanctification is referred to in Scripture. Paul prayed in 1 Thessalonians 5:23, “The God of peace Himself sanctify you wholly; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved entire, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.” Paul also wrote in Colossians of “the hope which is laid up for you in the heavens, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the Gospel” (Colossians 1:5). He later speaks of Christ Himself as “the hope of glory” (Colossians 1:27) and then mentions the fact of that hope when he says, “When Christ, who is our Life, shall be manifested, then shall ye also with Him be manifested in glory” (Colossians 3:4). This glorified state will be our ultimate separation from sin, total sanctification in every aspect. “Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is” (1 John 3:2).

To summarize, sanctification is the same Greek word as holiness, “hagios,” meaning a separation. First, a once-for-all positional separation unto Christ at our salvation. Second, a practical progressive holiness in a believer’s life while awaiting the return of Christ. Third, we will be changed into His perfect likeness—holy, sanctified, and completely separated from the presence of evil.

[HizWife625]

Now justification is to declare righteous; to make one right with God. Justification is God declaring those who receive Christ to be righteous, based on Christ’s righteousness being imputed to the accounts of those who receive Christ. Though justification as a principle is found throughout Scripture, the main passage describing justification in relation to believers is Romans 3:21-26:

"But now God has shown us a different way of being right in his sight - not by obeying the law but by the way promised in the Scriptures long ago. We are made right in God's sight when we trust in Jesus Christ to take away our sins. And we all can be saved in this same way, no matter who we are or what we have done. For all have sinned; all fall short of God's glorious standard. Yet now God in his gracious kindness declares us not guilty. He has done this through Christ Jesus, who has freed us by taking away our sins. For God sent Jesus to take the punishment for our sins and to satisfy God's anger against us. We are made right with God when we believe that Jesus shed his blood, sacrificing his life for us. God was being entirely fair and just when he did not punish those who sinned in former times. And he is entirely fair and just in this present time when he declares sinners to be right in his sight because they believe in Jesus."

We are justified, declared righteous, at the moment of our salvation. Justification does not make us righteous, but rather pronounces our righteousness. Our righteousness comes from placing our faith in the finished work of Jesus Christ. His sacrifice covers our sin, allowing God to see us as perfect and unblemished. Because as believers we are in Christ, God sees Christ's own righteousness when He looks at us. This meets God's demands for perfection; thus, He declares us righteous--He justifies us.

Romans 5:18-19 sums it up well: "Yes, Adam's one sin brought condemnation upon everyone, but Christ's one act of righteousness makes all people right in God's sight and gives them life. Because one person disobeyed God, many people became sinners. But because one other person obeyed God, many people will be made right in God's sight." Why is this pronouncement of righteousness so important? "Therefore, since we have been made right in God's sight by faith, we have peace with God because of what Jesus Christ our Lord has done for us" (Romans 5:1). It is because of justification that the peace of God can rule in our lives. It is because of the FACT of justification that believers can have assurance of salvation. It is the FACT of justification that enables God to begin the process of sanctification – the process of God making us in reality, what we already are positionally.

[HizWife625]

Cancuk.......

Now please chuckle with me on your response.......

If it would be answered by the person to whom it was addressed, I would not have to keep asking?

Kinda like the movie Pretty Woman...... Greer kept calling Julia from his office to tell her no to answer the phone....She said " then stop calling".....Hence,,,,,, I guess I just wanted to see if Hemi himself would admit to being a sinner...... But he won't answer the question.

So one could assume he fears answering yes, but does not want to answer no. KWIM ???

So, I stopped asking.

[Canuck Mormon]

I understand that if he had answered it you wouldn't have asked anymore. It is also a question to which you know the answer. Everyone sins. There is only one who doesn't, Jesus.

Thank you for not asking again.

[lostnfound]

Proof, to me, that you were never here to "understand", but here to preach.

I think i got asked this question to a while back..you can learn and state why you believe a certian way at the same time learning from you. This is not a very good way to preach in my opinion. You can't build a true friendship with someone, you can't open the bible and look at it together..computer lousy way to effectively share gospel in my opinion.

[Hemidakota]

I understand that if he had answered it you wouldn't have asked anymore. It is also a question to which you know the answer. Everyone sins. There is only one who doesn't, Jesus.

Thank you for not asking again.

It was answered but she is not paying attention: #124.

[Hemidakota]

i think my post on this got lost..could you help me understand what you are saying?

Be patient, I will post something later. Need to complete a tasking right now. :)

[lostnfound]

If I didn't sin, I would not be here. Same as you! We are called to be perfected to keep all the commandments of GOD. How can we be perfect? Abraham was told this in his old age by the Savior. We are perfected through Christ and through Temple. If you had the opportunity to go to the temple, you will understand the covenants and promise for those who will receive in the Celestial glory. You will understand the battle between the natural man[woman] versus the Spiritual man[woman], on how we can master this quandary and how easy it is for us to achieve this model of perfection in Christ as Abraham did. Now, Abraham learned to repent quickly and remained in the state humbleness before his Lord. This is where most people fall short.

Yes, there are three glories as Paul or Joseph described, as there are other earths that have same stage, same actors, and the same FATHER. However, there are many kingdoms below us, as there are many kingdoms above us. Why is that? Even being in FATHER's presence, there are those resurrected sons and daughters of our GOD, who will receive the highest level of exaltation and will receive a white stone as John spoke about; not forgetting Joseph Smith who saw the same; upon which, in seeing the kingdoms above HIM. If we are in HIS presence, then why would it be necessary to receive such? The pure knowledge of what was, what is, what shall be, is plain for the few but hard for the masses. This brings sorrow to my soul as we try to press others to the Tree of Life; tasting the joyous fruit of Life.

I wish we could talk about the temple..( Just to show some contridictions with the bible..