mikbone

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    mikbone got a reaction from Backroads in There seems to be the beginnings of a crackdown at BYU . . .   
    Ecclesiastical Clearance Office sounds like a wonderful department.
    Godspeed.
    Difficult to read between the lines from this article that is supporting ‘Academic Freedom’
    What is academic freedom anyway?
    Freedom to be apostate?
    Im with Mr. Incredible.

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    mikbone got a reaction from DMGNUT in There seems to be the beginnings of a crackdown at BYU . . .   
    It was more than that.
    My wife who graduated from J Ruben Clark Law School was involved with the incident.
    CKF was the academic advisor for the VOICE BYU branch.
    My wife noticed that VOICE had taken out an ad in the Daily Universe inviting BYU students to a meeting that taught how to use home abortion kits.
    She spent a day in the law school frantically trying to get her professors to recognize the harm in the advertisement.  Finally she found an advocate who got her in touch with Bruce Hafen the Provost.  
    From that meeting she was then scheduled to see Rex E. Lee.  Boyd K Packer was notified by phone and things then moved very rapidly.
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    mikbone got a reaction from scottyg in There seems to be the beginnings of a crackdown at BYU . . .   
    It was more than that.
    My wife who graduated from J Ruben Clark Law School was involved with the incident.
    CKF was the academic advisor for the VOICE BYU branch.
    My wife noticed that VOICE had taken out an ad in the Daily Universe inviting BYU students to a meeting that taught how to use home abortion kits.
    She spent a day in the law school frantically trying to get her professors to recognize the harm in the advertisement.  Finally she found an advocate who got her in touch with Bruce Hafen the Provost.  
    From that meeting she was then scheduled to see Rex E. Lee.  Boyd K Packer was notified by phone and things then moved very rapidly.
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    mikbone reacted to Grunt in There seems to be the beginnings of a crackdown at BYU . . .   
    This is great news.  We’ve had students leave BYU due to the environment they feel is fostered by some professors.   
     
    I should apply for a position.  
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    mikbone got a reaction from NeuroTypical in There seems to be the beginnings of a crackdown at BYU . . .   
    I hope that we are planning to lose accreditation.  
    Compromise is good in many settings but not the gospel.
    BYU grads are highly desirable in the business world.  And its not because the school is accredited.  
    My daughter just got a job from a fortune 500 company wherein she does background checks on persons / companies wishing to borrow large sums of dollars.  And she has a BYU communications degree with no emphasis on finance.
    The FBI loves to recruit Latter Day Saints.
    Id rather send the rest of my children to an unaccredited BYU.
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    mikbone got a reaction from The Folk Prophet in There seems to be the beginnings of a crackdown at BYU . . .   
    Ecclesiastical Clearance Office sounds like a wonderful department.
    Godspeed.
    Difficult to read between the lines from this article that is supporting ‘Academic Freedom’
    What is academic freedom anyway?
    Freedom to be apostate?
    Im with Mr. Incredible.

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    mikbone got a reaction from Carborendum in There seems to be the beginnings of a crackdown at BYU . . .   
    Ecclesiastical Clearance Office sounds like a wonderful department.
    Godspeed.
    Difficult to read between the lines from this article that is supporting ‘Academic Freedom’
    What is academic freedom anyway?
    Freedom to be apostate?
    Im with Mr. Incredible.

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    mikbone got a reaction from Still_Small_Voice in Provident living vs living the law of consecration and church welfare   
    I recall the parable of the talents.
    Pretty sure that the Lord was commenting on neither church welfare nor the law of consecration.
    Seems to me that those who understand the parable would not have confusion concerning this topic.
     
     
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    mikbone got a reaction from Vort in Provident living vs living the law of consecration and church welfare   
    I recall the parable of the talents.
    Pretty sure that the Lord was commenting on neither church welfare nor the law of consecration.
    Seems to me that those who understand the parable would not have confusion concerning this topic.
     
     
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    mikbone got a reaction from Vort in Helaman 12:4   
    Mosiah 3: 19 For the natural man is an enemy to God, and has been from the fall of Adam, and will be, forever and ever, unless he yields to the enticings of the Holy Spirit, and putteth off the natural man and becometh a saint through the atonement of Christ the Lord, and becometh as a child, submissive, meek, humble, patient, full of love, willing to submit to all things which the Lord seeth fit to inflict upon him, even as a child doth submit to his father.
    I like how in Helaman 12:13-14  Nephi the son of Heleman laments that men are disobedient.  And makes the comparison the the Earth obeys God, yet we do not.
    Also note 2 Ne 2: 14
    And now, my sons, I speak unto you these things for your profit and learning; for there is a God, and he hath created all things, both the heavens and the earth, and all things that in them are, both things to act and things to be acted upon.
    The elements can be acted upon.
    Man can act of himself.
    Man has the the capacity to choose.  He can
    1) Act poorly and devilish
    2) Dwell in inaction
    3) Act goodly, heroic, & honorably
    4) Usually a combination of the above 3.
     
    I believe that God created us so that some of us will rise above the dirt and become submissive and eventually profitable servants.
     
     
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    mikbone got a reaction from Backroads in Turkey   
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    mikbone reacted to Poseidon in Definition of Faith   
    “Where doubt and uncertainty is, there faith is not, nor can it be. For doubt and faith do not exist in the same person at the same time.” Joseph Smith, “Lectures on Faith,” Lecture 6, Para. 12.  
     
    “Faith and doubt cannot exist in the same mind at the same time, for one will dispel the other.” Thomas S. Monson, “Be an Example and a Light,” General Conference October 2015.
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    mikbone reacted to Carborendum in Where are the 12 Tribes?   
    OK, here is my long treatise on the topic.  This is my personal opinion based on a lot of study and a bunch of pondering "what the heck does this all mean? 
    I doubt many people will actually read this all the way through. It is a bit of a convoluted mess.  I don't know if I can really explain the proper segues between each part.  But it all comes together in my head somehow.  Just forgive me if it doesn't make sense to you.
    I'm afraid it doesn't fully answer your question.  But it should give you a good background to get most of the way there.  And @mirkwood gave some really good quotes that fill in the blanks that I did not.
    PART 1. The part that you're probably familiar with.
    We read in Ezekiel 37 that the "Stick of Judah" and the the stick of Joseph/Ephraim  will become on stick in the hand of the prophet.
    The entire Christian world believes that these sticks are representative of the two kingdoms being reunited in the modern day.  They (we) are not wrong. (see Eze 37:11-14 & Eze 36).
    We take this to refer to a prophecy about the Bible and Book of Mormon.  We're not wrong. (2 Ne 29)
    The underlined part is a dual reference.  The nation of Israel was divided into the Northern and Southern Kingdoms (Ephraim and Judah respectively) prior to the diaspora.  But they were not solely Judah and Ephraim.  There were other tribes in both kingdoms which were counted with these two kingdoms.
    This is a type and shadow of today where we see Judah largely gathered in Israel with a few members of all of Israel numbered among them, and the Church of Jesus Christ which largely gathers Ephraim along with a few members of all of Israel among us.
    The bold emphasis is to indicate that the tribes will be gathered together under ONE prophet.  We know the sticks are books.  But if you think they are only the Bible and the BoM, you're missing a lot.
     
    PART 2: The rest of the chapter is what we tend to ignore.  But it is very important.
    The sticks shall be one before THEIR eyes gathered from every side.  No more strangers and foreigners.  But they will have their own land.
    They are currently scattered with no place that they can call their own.  They are not "gathered."  They don't have synagogues or churches that they can gather and say that they worship in a unity of faith.  So far only Judah and Ephraim do that.
    2Ne says that we will eventually have the words of the Lost Tribes.  And they shall have our words.
    PART 3: There is more to the sticks.
    Num 17:1-7 (too long to quote.  Just open your scriptures).
    First, I need to indicate that there is a difference between a rod and a stick.
    ROD: (מַטֶּה) matte' means rod, branch, or tribe. The same Hebrew word is used for all three of these words in English.  Thus we see a hidden meaning in writing the names of tribesmen on a rod.  And to have those rods budding was just blatant symbolism. STICK: (עֵץ) ates (pronounced "8s") means "piece of wood", which is often translated as "stick".  But since it is the Hebrew word for "wood" (singular) it could just as correctly be translated as "board" or "plank".  And such boards were used for writing in Babylonian and Persian times. While these are related, there is a difference which is often overlooked in the cultural Christian (and Jewish) theology.  There is no doubt that there is a connection between the two regarding the writing names on a piece of wood - be it a branch or a board.  But the fact that they do use a different word indicates that there is more to it.
    We have one major advantage.  We know what the temple is about.  They do not.  So, when Moses took these names of tribesmen into the temple, that says something to us that it does not say to anyone else.  We're talking about a genealogical record.  But it isn't strictly what we think of as "temple records" per se.
    When Nephi perused the Brass Plates, he saw that they contained a genealogy of their families.  These were scriptures with genealogy.  
    (It was a practice just a few generations ago in America to keep genealogy records written in the Family Bible.  I believe my grandparents did so.  But my parents did not.  They knew about it and told me about it.  But I never saw the practice.)
    PART 4: What is a book?
    I hope you understand how the meanings of what these scriptures describe are multi-layered.  There is a concept of a "societal book."  Often times, it is a real book.  In the US, only a few generations ago, it was the Bible and the Declaration.  Today, we don't have one, and we're falling apart. Britain had the works of Shakespeare.  They no longer do.  And they're falling apart.
    Judaism has the Torah (and the rest of the Old Testament). Islam has the Q'uran. Christianty has the Bible. We have our Standard Works. Religion will endure when nations and societies crumble.
    How important is a book?  Ezekiel tells us that the bringing of the two books together is what will unite Israel.  Can books really do that?  Of course.
    I've heard several Jewish converts say that the Book of Mormon converted them because they read passages in the Book of Mormon that were "so Jewish" that a 19th century farm-boy could not have known about "such and such." But there it was.  Plain as day.  (See this for a few examples).  It wasn't just language. There were also cultural markers that Christians simply don't know about.
    Yes, books can convert.  They can bring people together in both secular and spiritual ways.  The Books of Ezra & Nehemiah show us how the records of Israel brought back a religion from obscurity and darkness -- for the house of Judah.
    The Bible kept a candle of Christianity alive.  But it was darkened.
    The Book of Mormon brought the true and everlasting gospel out of obscurity and out of darkness -- for Ephraim.
    The Books of the the lost tribes will bring the gospel to the lost tribes.
    PART 5: What about the temple?
    We take genealogical records to the temple.  We also go there for learning and for worship.  I've had the most wonderful insights when I take a few minutes in the Celestial room to study the scriptures.  But we also go there to make covenants.  We make an offering of a broken heart and a contrite spirit.
    Offering:
    There is a lot of debate about this referring to the offering of blood sacrifice again.  I'm not going to get into that because I really don't know the answer at this point.
    But I will point this out: Joseph Smith wrote about the record keeping of temple ordinances in D&C 128:24
    This certainly seems to allude to blood sacrifice.  But then he goes on to say...
    All this coming together of books, tribes, etc. is about all of us coming together to complete temple work.  This is about...
    Redeeming the Dead Perfecting the Saints Preaching the Gospel Gathering of Israel When we understand that the "rods" were records for each tribe of both genealogy as well as their spiritual record, we will understand that the gathering is what allows us to share our records with each other.  And we will be under one prophet.  And we will be servants to ONE God.
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    mikbone got a reaction from MrShorty in Supplemental Evidence   
    Once, I thought that He had.  But I was mistaken.  

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    mikbone got a reaction from Vort in Creation and Knowledge   
    Seventh Day, Mortal man, Tree of knowledge of good and evil.
    “and in the Garden of Eden, gave I unto man his agency;”
     
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    mikbone reacted to scottyg in Activism vs the Gospel   
    https://www.thechurchnews.com/leaders/2022/11/1/23424931/brother-ahmad-s-corbit-activism-discipleship
    This was a good read. There are many persons that I associate with in my ward and workplace that are struggling with this very thing, and their kids are suffering as a result. One brother has had all 3 of his children leave the church in the past 2-3 years, and he cannot understand how it happened. For decades this brother has been actively involved in parties or groups that oppose not just the church, but all moral issues including the family. What did he expect would happen to his kids...you cannot teach them principles that are in direct opposition to the Lord, and then be surprised when they decide to choose what you taught over Him. Do we trust in the political parties of the day more than the words of the Lord? Do we try to fit the gospel into our political narrative rather than accepting it as a whole? This brother is now distancing himself from the church, believing it not to be the only way to salvation. He is angry that "it has not brought him the promised blessings" - not being humble enough to see that he has been pushing them away himself.
    I fear that this upcoming election cycle will turn many in my ward away much more so than covid did. They are wedded to the ideals their preferred political party and/or other organizations, and will not accept the fact that the Lord would not be on their side of the argument. Some of them just want to win because they hate their opponent more than they love their side, and no matter how much destruction they will cause, they just want to be "right" and claim the moral highground...even though in reality they couldn't be lower than the gutter. No matter how much debauchery these groups promote, or how much filth they spew, these church members continue to vote for, and be associated with those that push such ideals. 
    Be humble, and seek the Lord's opinion on who you should be. "Not my will but thine be done"
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    mikbone reacted to SpiritDragon in Chronology of the Theophany Experienced by the Brother of Jared   
    Thanks so much for this, I had somehow missed it, but really appreciate it and thought it deserved more than a mere reaction click!
     
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    mikbone got a reaction from Just_A_Guy in Chronology of the Theophany Experienced by the Brother of Jared   
    There is alot of stuff going on here in this chapter.  But to answer your question, I would focus on the verses 14&15.
    Jehovah had showed himself to many of the prophets that had preceeded Mahonri.
    But the physical demonstration that the Brother of Jared received, seems to have been more complete.
    AND Jehovah had never previously revealed to anyone that He would eventually become Jesus Christ.
    Mahonri was the first prophet to know Jehovah in his past, present, and future roles.  
     
    Kinda like the opposite of Luke Skywaker's revelation with Darth Vader.   It was a big freakin deal.  
    If you read between the lines, Jehovah is actually telling Mahonri.  "I AM YOUR FATHER."
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    mikbone got a reaction from SpiritDragon in Chronology of the Theophany Experienced by the Brother of Jared   
    There is alot of stuff going on here in this chapter.  But to answer your question, I would focus on the verses 14&15.
    Jehovah had showed himself to many of the prophets that had preceeded Mahonri.
    But the physical demonstration that the Brother of Jared received, seems to have been more complete.
    AND Jehovah had never previously revealed to anyone that He would eventually become Jesus Christ.
    Mahonri was the first prophet to know Jehovah in his past, present, and future roles.  
     
    Kinda like the opposite of Luke Skywaker's revelation with Darth Vader.   It was a big freakin deal.  
    If you read between the lines, Jehovah is actually telling Mahonri.  "I AM YOUR FATHER."
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    mikbone got a reaction from Just_A_Guy in What was originally given to Moses?   
    As per the rich young man…
    20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
    My personal interpretation?
    The young man was lying.  He had not kept the commandments.  (No one is able to keep the commandments excepting Jesus).  Christ knew that he was trying to be showy and prideful.  So Christ took him down a notch, publicly.
    He needed it.  Hopefully he became more circumspect.
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    mikbone got a reaction from Vort in Moses’ Seat   
    Found something neat last week.  The above is a reproduction of the Seat of Moses, a chair found within a Synagogue where the rabbi would sit and interpret the Torah. 
    https://www.hmdb.org/m.asp?m=140472
    It is mentioned in Matthew 23:2-3.
    It is not mentioned in Luke 4:20.  But I suspect that this is where Christ ‘sat’ when he made his declaration.
    “And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.”
     
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    mikbone got a reaction from Just_A_Guy in Moses’ Seat   
    Found something neat last week.  The above is a reproduction of the Seat of Moses, a chair found within a Synagogue where the rabbi would sit and interpret the Torah. 
    https://www.hmdb.org/m.asp?m=140472
    It is mentioned in Matthew 23:2-3.
    It is not mentioned in Luke 4:20.  But I suspect that this is where Christ ‘sat’ when he made his declaration.
    “And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.”