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Well I must confess, my opinions on kimchi are pretty worthless - I've never actually tried it Every now and then I see a place that sells it but apart from a mild curiosity, I've never felt a strong desire to try it. Maybe one of these days I should, although where I'm living now, I'm not sure where I could find any
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7 hours ago, Jamie123 said:
If by "investigating" you mean meeting with missionaries and attending LDS services, then no. I have gone through all of that, but about 30 years ago. For a long time I've thought I had good reasons to think the Church is not true, but my interactions with LDS have (nearly) always been so positive that its not easy to walk away completely.
Non-conversion is often the outcome of a thoughtful process. Conversion is usually an outcome of a spiritual process.
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My method of study at the moment is to read and then stop to take notes. Here are my notes for today. I plan on doing about half an hour a day. I’ve been able to do more than that today because its Saturday. It will be difficult to do this much during the week.
Today I got about half way through the title page. I realise that this means that I will not keep pace with the planned schedule. I’ll deal with that by jumping from wherever I am at the end of the week to the start of the reading for the following week.
This font is quotes from the Book of Mormon, this text are my thoughts, written without the slightest aid at all from anything even remotely resembling a fountain pen (whatever that is).
Notes from the title page
also of the Lamanites
I think it might be going a bit too far to say that this is an abridgement of the record of the Lamanites. The Lamanites do get mentioned and discussed, but they are not the main focus. If this can be considered as an abridgement of the record of the Lamanites, it would suggest that the record keepers were not fully compliant with the divine instructions that led to the records being created. I can see how this could be interpreted as a record to the Lamanites but it is not as easy to see how it could be considered a record of the Lamanites. Perhaps it might be more accurate to say that this is an abridgement of the Nephite's record of aspects of Lamanite history, or something like that because as far as I know, the only original content from a Lamanite is the preaching of Samuel.
Written by way of commandment, and also by the spirit of prophecy and of revelation
This raises questions about the number and the type/quality of revelation that guided the abridgement of the records. On the one hand, it could take a great many revelations to accurately/properly decide what to include and what to exclude from 1,000 years worth of records. On the other hand, maybe God and the Holy Ghost just gave some general guidelines every now and then as to how to go about the task. Perhaps a reasonable comparison might be the number and quality of revelations that Joseph Smith received while establishing the church. Many of them are quite detailed and specific, and could not be fairly described as general guidelines.
These commandments and the spirit of prophecy and revelation also raise questions about whether Moroni was mostly an author, an editor, or a voice to the dictates of the Spirit in much the same way that Joseph and his scribes were. We know from other examples that when God has found an effective technique, He likes to reuse it, and perhaps this is what He did with Joseph Smith after trying it out with Moroni. However, there are sufficient variations from this idea of God reusing the same technique to make this an unreliable guide for explaining God’s behaviour and decisions.
Written and sealed up, and hid up unto the Lord, that they might not be destroyed
What became the Bible was effectively sealed and hidden from most of the world, but it was definitely not hid up unto the Lord. Interestingly, there is a fair bit of overlap in the periods that the gold plates and the origins of the Bible were effectively sealed up from all or most people.
To come forth by the gift and power of God unto the interpretation thereof
When we look at how the Bible came forth, over a much longer period of time, perhaps we could say the same thing - that it was by the gift and power of God. On the other hand, perhaps it would make for an interesting case study to see how God's close involvement with the coming forth of one set of scripture led to a much faster coming forth of that scripture, compared with the much slower, more gradual coming forth of another set of scripture for which there is less evidence of God's involvement.
Sealed by the hand of Moroni, and hid up unto the Lord,
In most instances, I would have some ethical concerns about concealing the word of God and trying hard to make sure it would be unavailable, but when God says to do that, then it becomes ok. We can see from the effectiveness and efficiency with which the sacred writings of the early Christians were destroyed that God had good reason to be concerned about the safety and protection of the gold plates.
The interpretation thereof by the gift of God.
Does this also apply to the interpretations provided by,or confirmed by, Professor Anthon and Doctor Mitchell?
the people of Jared,
This is interesting. I'm guessing that it was Jared who provided leadership for the people and Jared's brother who provided the spiritual leadership but they came to be called the people of Jared and not the people of Mahonri Moriancumer. Perhaps part of the reason why they became known as the people of Jared is that the reign of the Jaredite kings started with one of the sons of Jared. Its interesting that the people came to be associated with the person who was probably their temporal, rather than their spiritual leader.
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Just now, askandanswer said:
The Lord gave the word; great was the company of the preachers.
That part?
https://www.thetabernaclechoir.org/messiah/libretto-with-scripture-links.html
Or maybe
Psalm 19:4
Their sound is gone out into all lands, and their words unto the ends of the world.
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9 minutes ago, Jamie123 said:
I can't read those words without hearing Handel's Messiah in my head!
The Lord gave the word; great was the company of the preachers.
That part?
https://www.thetabernaclechoir.org/messiah/libretto-with-scripture-links.html
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3 minutes ago, askandanswer said:
i recall once hearing or reading that Brigham Young said there were wagon loads of records in Cumorah but I don't remember the source, and I don't think I've ever heard or ready anything similar from anyone else.
Here
https://emp.byui.edu/ANDERSONR/itc/Book _of_Mormon/11_mormon/mormon_01wagonloads_by.htm
and a more scholarly version here from the Journal of BOok of Mormon Studies
https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1360&context=jbms
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56 minutes ago, Jamie123 said:
Interesting. Maybe there were other things in the hole, but Joseph didn't think they were relevant to the story he was telling.
i recall once hearing or reading that Brigham Young said there were wagon loads of records in Cumorah but I don't remember the source, and I don't think I've ever heard or ready anything similar from anyone else.
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Im guessing that something that is a gift of the Spirit would take less time to develop and improve than something that is merely a talent or an attribute, and a talent or attribute would take less time to improve than something that we have no talent for, but are forced to practice by a parent who wants us to have/develop that attribute,
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I was thinking that the role of Mediator, or Messiah, only became necessary when the Plan of Salvation was settled and agreed upon. Since the plan existed before the role, and if the plan was made by God, it would then follow that God existed prior to the Meditator and that there could be a God without a Christ.
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On 9/2/2023 at 2:50 AM, JohnsonJones said:
If it's the same story I read about, the woman who got the parasite was eating a salad made of some sort of greens that she gathered up. These were wild greens that were near her house.
The doctors thought that an infected snake or something had been among those greens and shed some stuff among them which caused them to carry the worms. When she ingested them it caused the worms to infect her. They suspect it was not just the brain and could have other worms throughout her body. After the discovery and removal of the one in her brain I think the article also stated they started her on a therapy which would also kill or remove any other worms that she may have.
Yes, that sounds like the same story.
I'm thinking that it was not actually a worm, more likely a babel fish that got lost.
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2nd Nephi 11:7
7 For if there be ano Christ there be no God; and if there be no God we are not, for there could have been no bcreation. But there is a God, and che is Christ, and he cometh in the fulness of his own time.
If this verse is true, what do you think might be some of the possible implications?
I've worded this in a deliberately vague manner so as to attract a larger number of responses.
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20 hours ago, askandanswer said:
Next time you feel inclined to consume snake faeces, remember to check for any hidden extras
6 hours ago, Carborendum said:When was the first time? Is this one of those FREAKING AUSSIE things?
Next time you
Change of emphasis. This was just a friendly reminder to all my 3H friends to be a bit more careful in their dietary habits. I've heard that there are some people here who mistake kimchi for food so if that's the case, well, you know.......
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3 hours ago, zil2 said:
Meanwhile, I've spent my whole life living with pets, petting them and not washing my hands before eating (as a child), letting them lick me, cleaning out litter boxes, etc. etc. and have never once had any parasitic infection (at least, not that had any symptoms)
So we can rule out parasitic infection as a possible explanation?
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3 hours ago, LDSGator said:
Once again I’m thankful I was born in the good old US of A.
Me too : )
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Next time you feel inclined to consume snake faeces, remember to check for any hidden extras
It was a fairly regular day on the ward for Canberra hospital infectious diseases physician Dr Sanjaya Senanayake, until a neurosurgeon colleague called him and said: “you wouldn’t believe what I just found in this lady’s brain – and it’s alive and wriggling.”
The neurosurgeon, Dr Hari Priya Bandi, had pulled an 8cm-long parasitic roundworm from her patient, prompting her to call on Senanayake and other hospital colleagues for advice about what to do next.
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The doctors and scientists involved in her case hypothesise that a python may have shed the parasite via its faeces into the grass. They believe the patient was probably infected with the parasite from touching the native grass and transferring the eggs to food or kitchen utensils, or after eating the greens
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1 hour ago, zil2 said:
This is the most recent thread I could find that brought up the question of whether Noah's flood was global or even real. So I'm just gonna leave this here:
Take it how you wish.
This is a fairly accurate description of the tide going out.Not a disagreement, just a comment.
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Many years ago I spent some time teaching in a boys Catholic boarding school on a small island off the coast of Papua New Guinea. This was an extremely remote area with the school generator being the only source of power on the island, and it only ran for a few hours a day. My wife one day noticed some students wearing pants with bloody areas around the crotch. When we made some inquiries we learned that it was not uncommon for students around the ages of 14 - 16 to go out into the bush by themselves and circumcise themselves, sometimes with a machete, and sometimes with a pocket knife. They might stay out in the bush for a day or two until the bleeding stopped and they felt ready to return. None of the other staff, both the locals and the four white Catholic Brothers who ran the school seemed interested in or disturbed by the practice.
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On 8/19/2023 at 3:37 AM, Carborendum said:
If it was a mistake. He has given his explanation that he was trying to preserve the land and the water instead of lives. That was his explanation. Not a mistake. It was a bad ideology that drove his decision making.
5 For I, the Lord, have decreed in mine anger many destructions upon the waters; yea, and especially upon these waters.
Surely the release of that which God has cursed as a source of destruction would only have caused more destruction? 😁
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I get the impression you're reluctant to do anything against the (k)law?