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The words "sufficient for your needs" comes to mind. Of course that leaves a lot of room for interpretation. But that's the real test I think, how we choose to interpret it. And my guess is that for a person who truly seeks to consecrate themselves their interpretation will change over time.

A thought I just had pertaining to this thread comes from 1 Nephi 3:7 where Nephi states that whenever the Lord gives a commandment He will also provide a way for it to be kept. Given this principle, if someone is physically/medically unable to go without food and drink, it seems that the Lord will provide "a way" to observe the law of the fast that yet serves the purpose of the law.

Hmm. I never got the sense that she came back to "marry" Higgins.
I don't disagree that the ending could have been something better...but not this. This was terrible -- empty -- sad -- unsatisfying. I think ideally there needed to be a true equilibrium established between them somehow that kept them in each other's lives for the better. Not sure what that would be. But her just walking off forever does not feel satisfactory.

As a nuclear propulsion novice, shouldn't the arrow be going from sparky sparky to roundy roundy or is the turbine actually steam driven?

My assumption as a non-sailor non-military non-nuclear-plant-operator non-physicist is that you get far better efficiency using the steam from the reactor to drive propellor turbines directly than to drive generators to create electricity which you then use to drive electric motors to turn the props. There are batteries and generators on board, of course, and I would guess that things are set up to allow much more quiet running with electric motors. But again, non-etc.

A thought I just had pertaining to this thread comes from 1 Nephi 3:7 where Nephi states that whenever the Lord gives a commandment He will also provide a way for it to be kept. Given this principle, if someone is physically/medically unable to go without food and drink, it seems that the Lord will provide "a way" to observe the law of the fast that yet serves the purpose of the law.

The other day I watched a recreation of the assassination attempt on Ronald Reagan on YouTube. Even after being shot heading to the operating room that guy was a class act. What happened to those kind of politicians?

I'm torn between the idea that there is major corruption in our elections and that the general public are really just that stupid. Some days I believe it's both.

I'm one of those rare exceptions you leave room for. 😃

The other day I watched a recreation of the assassination attempt on Ronald Reagan on YouTube. Even after being shot heading to the operating room that guy was a class act. What happened to those kind of politicians?

Steam probably directly runs propeller and a turbine to generate electricity.  Likely some big gears and batteries involved.

I, too, tire of hearing what someone said on a Podcast. I feel like they are often adding more to the scriptures than they should. One example was Moses and the Flying serpent. Someone learned in a podcast that those on the outskirts of camp who were bitten probably needed assistance to get to where the staff was in the center of camp. In my mind, that undercuts the meaning of that event.  The meaning is that all we have to do is look to Christ, repent, and live. We don't need someone else to carry us to Him (Bishops may have a place in the repentance process, and we can reach out to bring prodigal sons back, but I don't believe that is what this story is about). We have no idea whether Moses walked around camp with the staff, so that all people could just look up and live.  There may have been no travel required at all.  Just look and live. I think that is what God wants us to know. Look to Him and live. Don't avoid trying because you assume it will not work. Test Him, try Him, and see if He doesn't know how to give good gifts to His children.
Podcasts have to come up with something interesting to say, but one should beware that the interesting thing they say may actually be detracting from the point of the gospel message.
 

One of the most profound lessons, for me, came several years ago in a High Priest group meeting.  The teacher, a personal friend and a profound and well-studied scholar of Gospel topics began the lesson with the question, “Why did you come to priesthood today?
I had learned that with this teacher it is often better to listen than to say anything.  The class seemed to understand this.  To break the silence, the teacher asked a former mission president and current member of the Stake Presidency to respond why he came.  This great member thought for a while and then said, “I came to be inspired and uplifted”.  I was thinking that was a good answer.   The teacher then asked, “Then, if you are not inspired and uplifted you are not going to come anymore?”
I was glad I had not responded.  The teacher then turned to another person in the class.  This was also an outstanding and brilliant guy.  He had an MD and two additional PHD’s. (one in nuclear physics).  However, this great guy had serious problems and had been excommunicated, spent several years wandering in religious wilderness but recently began his journey back into a renewal of blessings.  The same question was asked, “Why did you come to priesthood today?”   This man with deep emotions and with some tears responded, “Because I made a promise to G-d that I would come.”
As some may have already guessed – the lesson was about our covenants with G-d.  This teacher had removed all the usual discussions on the topic of covenants and brought me to a greater depth in understanding what a covenant with G-d means.  Both to me and to G-d.   The spirit also taught me that sometimes those we may think are unworthy can speak things of the spirit in ways others may not – everybody can contribute something to the whole (See also Moroni Chapter 10).
 
I think we are entering a new era in the Church.  An era in which we ought to worry less about what teachers, speakers and leader have prepared and worry more about what we are preparing.
 
The Traveler

I totally agree. I would much rather have a good deep meaningful discussion on one or two verses/topics then try to cover everything. The Spirit should always dictate where the lesson goes.

Is it just me or does it seem like every Sunday School class revolves around what Come Follow Me podcasts have to say about the scriptures? I know they can be helpful in personal study but I rarely ever hear a teacher say anymore "While I was studying the scriptures this week, here is what I learned...". It's kind of getting on my nerves.

Is it just me or does it seem like every Sunday School class revolves around what Come Follow Me podcasts have to say about the scriptures? I know they can be helpful in personal study but I rarely ever hear a teacher say anymore "While I was studying the scriptures this week, here is what I learned...". It's kind of getting on my nerves.

You classify ThirdHour discussions as only level VII???? That's only one level above apostates. 😂 Maybe theirs truth to that.
Today in Sunday School the teacher, who normally does a decent job, did not read one verse of scripture during the entire class. But did he reference a podcast? Yep. 

Been driving me crazy.  Last week I gave the 5th Sunday lesson. The Bishop asked that I give a talk on, back to the basics.
I told a story about me stopping on the side of the highway in Georgia in the 90's and experiencing a ripe peach.  Best peach I ever had (BY FAR), I ended up buying 10-12 and I finished about half-a-dozen while on a drive to an appointment.  I had to change my shirt and tie because I had dripped juice all over them.  The aroma and taste were unforgettable.  Yet on other occasions I have purchased peaches from the local grocery store wherein I had hoped for a Georgia Peach, and what I got was a lame, scent free, woody 'fruit' that could not ripen on the counter and was only good for ammunition.  There is also the option of George Peach Cobbler Oreo TM cookies.  I also threw in the possibility of a pleasing defect free plastic fruit.  
I then compared those peaches to material that we study.  Years ago I stumbled on a concept of Levels of Evidence which was a guide to explain how to decipher if a medical study was reliable or not.  Anyway I applied that concept to Gospel material and this is what I came up with.
Level of Evidence
Level I: Scripture (the Standard Works), and Modern-Day Revelation as recorded in the Liahona from the most recent General Conference talks.
Level II: Official Proclamations, Statements, and Doctrinal Expositions from the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve, prior General Conference talks, and the Church Hymnal
Level III: Church Manuals written and published by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
Level IV: Commentary by General Authorities not published by the Church, e.g. Mormon Doctrine
Level V: Commentary by non-general authority members in good standing
Level VI: Research and commentary by scholars / non-LDS members
Level VII: Online discussion groups like LDSBlogs.org - Mormon Archipelago: Gateway to the Bloggernacle
Level VIII: Research or commentary by apostate or disillusioned members
 
I then asked the class to compare the peaches to the Gospel Material.  Why would you eat a woody peach when you could have a ripe Georgia peach?  Would anyone try to eat a plastic peach?  The nutritional value of a Georgia Peach Cobbler Oreo TM is probably negative...
 
The scriptures and Liahona are free.  I dont have to buy a book or go onto YouTube to watch a podcast.  Also, which materials do you find in the Temple?!
Then one of the members stated that they loved listening to podcast and appreciated the material presented.
I asked, why would you want to eat pre-digested food? There was a pause.
 
I shared my testimony that nothing can compare to the raw information that is avaliable within the scriptures.  When we let others spoon feed us information, we lose the chance of discovery and inspiration of the Holy Ghost.  

Is it just me or does it seem like every Sunday School class revolves around what Come Follow Me podcasts have to say about the scriptures? I know they can be helpful in personal study but I rarely ever hear a teacher say anymore "While I was studying the scriptures this week, here is what I learned...". It's kind of getting on my nerves.

Thankfully, I don't think I've heard this in my Sunday School class - if I have, it's been rare.  Personally, I wish the people doing those podcasts / YT channels / etc. would stop.  The point of CFM is for people to learn from the Holy Ghost.  If they have a podcast to turn to, they're not turning to the Holy Ghost.  People think that some stranger's brilliant insight is more impressive than the Holy Ghost telling them [whatever simple thing], but they're wrong.  Even feeling the Holy Ghost testify of the truthfulness of something presented in a podcast is not as important as learning to hear the Holy Ghost during your personal, private or family scripture study.  The podcast may be easier or more interesting, it may feel like you learned something, but it's not as important as learning to learn from the Holy Ghost. /rant

Considering there are only 37 verses in that chapter then apparently we are missing at least two whole verses. So yes that would indicate an imperfection. 😃
But on a more serious note, I think the footnote on that word imperfection addresses your question pretty well.

I believe we need to understand that they are writing in different text than what they speak on a daily basis.  There are always imperfections in translations as anyone that speaks more than one language understands.  The only way the Book of Mormon can be read without imperfections is through the witness of the Holy Ghost – which is even more true for the Bible but less a problem for those reading the Doctrine and Covenants in English.
 
The Traveler

Imperfection is not the same as error.  More than one Book of Mormon prophet lamented that there were things he could not adequately (in his own estimation) express because of the nature or difficulty of writing in their language (and perhaps on plates).  Also, there are places where a prophet corrects himself ("or in other words" type corrections - perhaps worried they'll be taken literally or that the idiom he's just written won't be understood correctly).  If I have to, I can find examples, but I'm hoping you're familiar enough to recognize these situations.

There is a history concerning the sacred temple garments.  In my youth it seemed all my family (including aunts and uncles) were Church members married in the temple.  I recall my grandmother talking about wearing the sacred garment.  Her generation strongly believed in the protection of the sacred garment.  My grandmother told me that she never completely took off her garment – for anything.  When she bathed, she always kept at least one arm or leg in the garment.  When changing the process was similar, an arm or leg was left in the old garment until another arm or leg was in the new garment.  During her generation the garment was one piece.  The arms covered down to the wrists and the legs were covered to the ancles. 
When I received my garments, things had changed but the garment was still a single piece.  However, there was a special garment required at the temple that was the old style that my grandparents used.  There were problems in the military with the garments because it was not government issue uniform.  While I was in the army the church came out with a military garment that was not white but the same color as the government issued military undergarment.  And it was in two pieces, so it did not stand out as something different.  Generally, it was not acceptable in the church to wear the military garment with civilian clothing but many former military did.
Within a few years the Church came out with a two-piece garment and eventually the old style required at the temple garment was dropped.  Many older members still preferred my grandparent’s style and refused to wear the more modern styles.  Some older members though those that wore the newer styles were less righteous.   This was an interesting era in the Church.  The style of clothing was changing, and ladies liked to wear shorter dresses that did not cover the knees.  The garment was intended to extend over the knee, but many ladies found ways to wear the shorter dresses regardless.  A serious problem arose in the Church as ladies sat on the stand at church with the shorter dresses.
When I returned from my mission and having spent time in the army – I was personally disgusted, especially with the young ladies at BYU and their short dresses.  During that era the young ladies usually were not endowed until they married.  I had great difficulty accepting what I thought was immodesty among the young sisters.  The problem was so bad with the ladies and their short dresses that the Church built half walls for the chapel stand in the churches to compensate.  This is now standard and required.
Later, after I married, I began to compete in cycling.  I found it difficult to compete while wearing the garment because the garment was not designed for rigorous cycling and I would overheat – especially in summer heat.  I wrote a detailed letter to the first presidency with a design for a garment for sports that would allow the body to breath and not overheat.  I also suggested that my cycling jersey could be modified (similar to what was done for the military).  I received a response from the first presidency that a special sport garment was unacceptable because the brethren were concerned it would be worn when not participating in sports.   It was suggested that while participating in sports that I not wear the sacred garment.  I was quite troubled with this and fasted and prayed much concerning this suggestion.  It was hard to adjust but I was able to compete at a much higher level.  I am still bothered that something special is not done for sports, but I understand why this blessing is not offered – because it would be abused.
If I were to say any thing about the garment – I would say that it is perhaps the most sacred physical part of my covenant with G-d.  It has been a great protection for me – even when I am participating in sports.  The protection has been both physical and spiritual.  I have come to understand that the garment is not the covenant but the symbol of the covenant.  If I were to make any suggestion – it would be to find a way to maintain your covenants with G-d.  This recommendation is regardless of religion but for LDS I believe covenants are especially important.  If someone is LDS and has not received a manifestation of the spirit concerning the sacred and holy garment – I suggest that you consider becoming more serious concerning your covenants.  To paraphrase what Isaiah said to king Ahaz – you cannot believe in holy and sacred things because you are not loyal to your covenants.
 
The Traveler

A related thought I have often had when studying deeper doctrine is how does the doctrine of the impossibility of being saved in ignorance apply. Does ignorance include the how as well as the what? I think it does. If that is the case then it tells me that the process of being saved extends far beyond this existence because there is so much of the how that we just don't or can't comprehend in our fallen state. And yet there are many things we can and are expected to comprehend here in this life. So whenever we run into a wall to further understanding of one doctrine it might just be that we are expected to build our foundation of knowledge in other areas first.