LeSellers

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    LeSellers got a reaction from mordorbund in Should I focus more on learning?   
    They're not mutually exclusive, fer cryin' in a bucket.
    The first commandment God gave mankind is "multiply and replenish the earth." It was not learn the Gospel, it was not learn your trade or craft. These are important things to do, but they are not the principle reason for being here.
    And, as they marry older, the number of children decreases. This is bad both spiritually and temporally, personally and culturally. (Read The Birth Dearth: What Happens When People in Free Countries Don't Have Enough Babies?, by Ben J. Watternberg.)
    As they get older, they become more set in their ways, and they are less able to adapt to married life and make the concessions required when two people live together.
    As they marry older, they are less able to sacrifice their personal "wants" to a greater good, that of their family.
    Having a good job is nice, but it is not a requisite for marriage. Having "stuff" is nice, but it is not required for marriage. Having all this eliminates the struggle and reduces the necessity of bonding together in (trivial, although it doesn't seem so at the time) adversity that will make facing hardships later easier and natural.
    Late marriage is worse than early marriage. Physically, it seems better, but measuring those things that count, it doesn't hold a candle to having a spouse and children when our God-designed bodies are ready for parenting.
    Lehi
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    LeSellers reacted to zil in Molly Mormon, Peter Priesthood   
    I have only heard the terms used negatively.  If I've heard them actually directed at someone since my teen years, I don't remember it.  From those years, an example of use would be:
    Mormon Friend: "Want a Coke?"
    Me: "I don't drink Coke."
    Mormon Friend: "Don't be such a Molly Mormon."
    Shortly* before Satan and his followers where cast out?  (Where "shortly" must be defined from an eternal perspective rather than mortal.)
      People do that! (Just teasing - really I just wanted to use that emoji.)  On a slightly more serious note, once you've got your home inside the can, how do you get in and out? (OK, there was no seriousness in that at all.)
    Yes and yes.  And I think this is one which sometimes gets subtle criticism from inside the church, and often from outside.  I do not have to go and read material written by enemies of the church, or even factual histories depicting the details of Joseph Smith's flaws, and experience that "opposition" or "doubt" before I can know with absolute, 100% certainty* that Joseph Smith is a prophet.  (*Some will even find fault with my absolute certainty, claiming I cannot know, that I really just believe strongly, as if they were inside of me and could know whether I know.  I tell you, I know.)  One does not know the things of the Spirit by analytical analysis of competing viewpoints, nor only through overcoming opposition.  One knows the things of the spirit by revelation (JST on v11 required).
    I think pride does not always look like we expect pride to look, and yet, I think it's probably pride all the same (if we consider the prideful behaviors in that quote from President Uchtdorf).  The suspected motivations I'm about to describe are, I think, not always conscious, but learned and applied subconsciously: some people need to pull others down to feel better about themselves. some are too lazy to work that hard and therefore must find fault in working hard so that they can feel like there's nothing wrong with their own laziness.
    I say, if someone is mocking you as a Molly Mormon, be exceeding glad.
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    LeSellers got a reaction from Anddenex in Molly Mormon, Peter Priesthood   
    I suspect it's a kind of jealousy, or defensive ploy: I'm not doing that, and she isn't any better than me, so she must be "cheating" somehow.
    That's the better of two explanations. The other is those who call people this kind of name are not converted, and imagine everyone else to be a hypocrite, the same as they are.
    Lehi
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    LeSellers got a reaction from UtahTexan in Hi Y'all   
    Please know you are most welcome here and in the Kingdom.
    Lehi
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    LeSellers got a reaction from UtahTexan in Hi Y'all   
    I don't understand the mechanics of the situation, but it happens frequently.
    One of the moderators will delete the unwanted duplicates and poof! It'll be alright.
    Lehi
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    LeSellers reacted to UtahTexan in Hi Y'all   
    I am a fairly new member.  Sorta.
    I was baptized in 1983.  I was a college grad with a job when I joined.  I went on my mission in 1984.  I quit my job, sold my things and went on my mission at the age of 24.
    After my mission, I went to law school.  In my last year of law school, 1989, I left the church.  I became a very vocal ant-Mormon.
    For 26 years, I fought against the Church.  Then, thru a series of amazing miracles, I was rebaptized in 2015.  
    I then quit my 6-figure managing attorney position in Texas and, because I believe God wanted me to, I moved to SLC.
    In May of this year, my blessings were restored.  I attended the Temple for first time in 29 years.  I am a Gospel Doctrine Teacher.
    I love the Church.  I am so glad to be back.
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    LeSellers reacted to Just_A_Guy in "Polygamy" v. "Polygyny" —— NOT a doctrinal topic   
    Up until relatively recently, absolutely.  In this modern age of DNA tests and women being married to one man (who is aware of her situation) but collecting child support from another . . . it all becomes quite dizzying.
    Sure.  My understanding is that if we track it to the modern price of that same amount of silver, it would be $400-$500; but if we take it as the amount of time it would take a working man of that era to accrue such a sum it starts approaching $20-$30K in equivalent value.
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    LeSellers got a reaction from Just_A_Guy in "Polygamy" v. "Polygyny" —— NOT a doctrinal topic   
    Given 50 shekels was about $20,000 in today's money (based on the cost of housing or labor), that was not "simply collecting". My inclination is to believe it would have been more likely her parents would have taken the money if she wasn't pregnant, but forced the marriage if she were.
    Just my impression.
    Lehi
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    LeSellers got a reaction from Just_A_Guy in "Polygamy" v. "Polygyny" —— NOT a doctrinal topic   
    You're right from a theological standpoint: adultery and other sexual sins are evil because of what they do to both married (or future married) parties. The sinner harms himself, as you indicate, as well as his spouse.
    My point was that adultery, especially if it results in a child born to a married woman, constitutes theft of her husband's resources used in raising another man's child. She not only is an adulteress, but a fraud and a thief. And, to the extent that this theft reduces the resources available to his other children, it is also theft from them.
    Lehi
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    LeSellers got a reaction from NightSG in Special Snowflakes...   
    And "No" again.
    PC, a Communist concept designed to destroy opposition to Communism, will end up destroying us, too. (Like we're not ¾ the way down the path anyway.)
    Lehi
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    LeSellers reacted to An Investigator in Rough Stone Rolling   
    Hahaha yes I do... The Book mentioned it and never talked about it again unless it does further on.   
     
    Wow, definitely one to avoid then 
     
    Thanks!
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    LeSellers got a reaction from Hemisphere in Special Snowflakes...   
    And "No" again.
    PC, a Communist concept designed to destroy opposition to Communism, will end up destroying us, too. (Like we're not ¾ the way down the path anyway.)
    Lehi
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    LeSellers got a reaction from Edspringer in Is post mortal death an option?   
    In a previous existence, we have a model of just such beings, albeit not immortal: they're eternally premortal. Satan and the third part of our former brothers and sisters are damned eternally, and they hate their non-tangible existence. However, they cannot "die" (whatever that might mean to a pre-mortal being).
    As for which will win, justice is always the premiere player, and her demands must be met. However, as I read the scriptures, Christ's mercy or the payment by the individual coupled with whatever part of mercy must apply to fill the gap means that justice no longer has any claim on the person. The reason he is not in the Celestial Kingdom is not because justice has not been satisfied, it's because he did not become a Celestial being (or prepare to become one through the mercy of Christ) and cannot inhabit the Celestial Kingdom for lack of his preparedness: this life is the time to prepare.
    It is my firm belief that each of us, including Satan and Judas Iscariot, Hitler and Mao, will end up, and, in fact, even start out here (if they made it) in a situation that is best for the individual. That is, we are where we are, and will be where we will be, in that place that will make us the happiest.
    Lehi
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    LeSellers got a reaction from mordorbund in Political machinations ruin the stability of nations   
    In that order.
    Alma the Younger said that preaching the word had more effect on the people than the sword. But his successor was both prophet and general, wielded both word and sword.
    Lehi
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    LeSellers got a reaction from Backroads in "Polygamy" v. "Polygyny" —— NOT a doctrinal topic   
    It is said that women civilize men and men civilize children.
    Lehi
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    LeSellers reacted to estradling75 in "Polygamy" v. "Polygyny" —— NOT a doctrinal topic   
    True... In the past there have been shortages of men due to war or something...  And when that happens we haven't see it go this far before and I think there was biology explanation for that to.  Since women are the ones that become pregnant they always had to place the value of physical intimacy really high.  Because the social and physical cost of pregnancy was very high for them.  So even when the men were sparse there was a limit on how low they could afford to go.
    But now we have easy birth control, morning after pills, abortions, and a society saying... be irresponsible and the government will bail you out.   All of which offset or removes the biological cost of pregnancy.  Without that then there is nothing keeping the price high... Therefore supply and demand dictate the new low.
     
     
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    LeSellers reacted to Maureen in Dont leave the church because....   
    I definitely agree that Ed Decker's style was disingenuous and sensationalistic. I would agree that his "literature" is anti-mormon.
    M.
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    LeSellers reacted to estradling75 in "Polygamy" v. "Polygyny" —— NOT a doctrinal topic   
    Well... my guess would be porn.  In many ways porn reduces the number available males by offering a cheaper alternative to what they desire.  Then is it s simple matter of supply and demand.  With a greater supply of women then men on the market then men get to set the price and women have to meet it or otherwise make themselves more attractive.  And I think that explains quite clearly what we see.
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    LeSellers reacted to Just_A_Guy in "Polygamy" v. "Polygyny" —— NOT a doctrinal topic   
    Welcome to my world.  There is a whole segment of our society that lives their lives this way; and I deal with them on a daily basis.
    Oh--and, they vote.
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    LeSellers reacted to Backroads in "Polygamy" v. "Polygyny" —— NOT a doctrinal topic   
    I had two students a year ago and two years before last. They were half-sisters, daughters of a woman very much like the one you described. She had three other kids, and I don't think any more than two were by the same man. It was a very sad situation as this woman went from man to man, looking for what seemed like emotional and financial support (speaking merely practically, not bad things in and of themselves in the social construct of marriage), only to find things not working in her favor. Unlike other women you describe, she did not seem to have any other social support and I believe the family spent most of last year in a women's shelter. She had a state welfare support system that even then failed her as she was jumping between men and thus "losing" that support. She did not even have a high school graduation and seemingly no skills to generate her own income. Quite a mess.
    Regarding such setups working emotionally, I see certain differences between men and women. Women tending to be more gentle can certainly impart plenty of morality, but that gentleness can backfire when there isn't a more masculine sense of discipline and justice to balance out that gentleness.
     
    On a side note, I recall hearing about a certain culture somewhere where marriage simply didn't exist in the classic term. Men raised their sisters' children, that's where responsibility lay.
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    LeSellers got a reaction from Blackmarch in Dont leave the church because....   
    A truth that's told with bad intent
    Beats all the lies you can invent.
         –William Blake, "Auguries of Innocence"
    Lehi
     
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    LeSellers got a reaction from Jane_Doe in Dont leave the church because....   
    The GodMakers, fer shure, but the true classics include:
    1) Mormonism Unvailed
    2) The Kingdom of the Cults
    3) Twenty Seventh Wife Wife No. 19
    Lehi
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    LeSellers reacted to UtahTexan in The First Vision accounts   
    The versions are not just because folks do not tell a story the same way each time, but also because stories are told differently to different audiences.  I go into more detail with folks who know nothing.  I tell less details to people I do not know well.
    I have no issues with it
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    LeSellers reacted to Jane_Doe in Dont leave the church because....   
    Anti-mormons rely on spinning, half-truths, strawmen arguments, downright lies, or other falsehood methodology.  A person can be critical of the church, but still be factual and honest, though these people are generally less common (it is human tendency to polarize).
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    LeSellers reacted to Jane_Doe in Dont leave the church because....   
    Exhibit A: "The Godmakers"  (just for classical example)