Fether
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25 minutes ago, MormonGator said:
Some people here :: cough cough :: @Vort, @mirkwood, @Carborendum are so vehemently to the right that they think anyone to the slight left of Ronald Reagan and Rush Limbaugh is a communist.
Sounds like something a commi would say
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6 minutes ago, omegaseamaster75 said:
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Remember it is according to our WANTS and NEEDS. I want a drumset... most people don't. My friend wants a road bike and bike racing equipment... I don't.
I know in the eternities that I will want a strong sounding, easy to tune, 4 piece pearl drumset with either Evans or aquarian drum heads, zildjan cymbals (and maybe 2 wuhan chinas), and a nice crisp high hat. All worth around $3000-$5000 in the US. If I were living in a small community with the law of consecration in full swing, I would settle with a small, 4-piece travel drum-kit, worth $400-$600 approx. If the whole church were doing it, maybe a regular sized stock pearl set worth around $700-$900
(I just want to note that the cheapest drumset you can buy on the market is around $300).
If I saw my buddy Rob (who is infinitely better at all things percussion) running around with a $2000 drum set while I only had a $700 one, I would be fine
he would want it more and would likely use it for his career.
The Law of consecration does not entail all of us having the same clothes, same food, same house, and same car, but rather is a community of people with a desire for their neighbor to be well off and happy. Everyone in such a community finds more joy in their neighbor's success than their own.
the personality trait that prescribes the thinking "Why does he get more than me!?" Is one of the main reason we can't live the law today.
Also, dealing with your question about equal in Heavenly things, take this quote into consideration:
"A Saint who is one in deed and in truth, does not look for an immaterial heaven, but he expects a heaven with lands, houses, cities, vegetation, rivers, and animals; with thrones, temples, palaces, kings, princes, priests, and angels; with food, raiment, musical instruments, etc., all of which are material. Indeed, the Saints’ heaven is a redeemed, glorified, celestial, material creation, inhabited by glorified material beings, male and female, organized into families, embracing all the relationships of husbands and wives, parents and children, where sorrow, crying, pain, and death will be no more. Or to speak still more definitely, this earth, when glorified, is the Saints’ eternal heaven. On it they expect to live, with body, parts, and holy passions; on it they expect to move and have their being; to eat, drink, converse, worship, sing, play on musical instruments, engage in joyful, innocent, social amusements, visit neighboring towns and neighboring worlds; indeed, matter and its qualities and properties are the only beings or things with which they expect to associate"
- Orson Pratt
I think Heavenly equality is much like earthly equality. You may also add spiritual gifts and Christlike attributes.
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4 hours ago, SilentOne said:
A God of truth deliberately changing the text to contain lies? That seems unlikely to me.
What about in this scenario?
They seek inspiration on how to get home and are sent in a wrong way... but later realize it was for a greater purpose.
Not defending my original comment, it was just a thought. I'm more challenging your answer.
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I knew a bishop in KY that was set in the idea that that was where the Book of Mormon took place. I do t remember specifics, but I guess there is a massive ancient battlefield where millions of arrow heads still rest today. He also suggestrf that at that time, "North" referred to "up hill" rather than the direction.
I wonder if God inspired Joseph to put inaccuracies in the geography and directions to prevent us from finding places in the Book of Mormon
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I agree with the idea... but execution has always been a major issue. I do, however, have faith that we won't see similar executions of this standard as we have seen in more left colleges.
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3 hours ago, Traveler said:
Have you ever thought it possible that while we were sitting around for eons without not much else to do that we may have taken part (perhaps the most significant part to fulfill our gift of agency) in planning our mortal experience? And since we might review such things with our Father would go a great distance in explaining why I Father knows so much about us and how we fit in – in this life.
The Traveler
Interesting thought! I agree that he taught us the why of the plan, but I would say that we never got a "sneak peak" of our life. Nor did we pick the trials that we were.
And I assume you know this, but we weren't just chilling, but we were learning and living like we do here over the eternities.
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I've always been under the impression that I will never "get ahead" by any means beyond education and hard work x) the riskiest thing I have ever done was start a business. which so far has been successful in the sense that I have made money.
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37 minutes ago, zil said:
Personally, I suspect those who chose to follow Satan were the ones who were fully converted to that path - diehards, as it were. Some of those who didn't follow him at that time may have been unsure and so they stayed with the majority. I've wondered if some of them weren't spies, moles, undercover agents, so to speak... (Not sure that would even have been possible, but, you know, it makes for an entertaining story.)
@person0 I gotchya
I always understood it like this:
If a spirit was good, he was foreordained to the church. If he was bad or lukewarm, he was not. I imagine there were those that were foreordained and failed to, but there were none that were not foreordained and later repented and changed. That would suggest God dis not they would later be good.
sons of perdition are not foreordained to the gospel.
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In the LDS church, a lot of things been said about a lot of things and many of those things contradict other things. So in this world of many things, what things Are true, and what things are not true things?
Beyond use of the spirit, I have always gone with the idea that any statement with the church's logo stamped on it can be trusted 100% and all other statements, regardless of who said them, are up in the air.
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42 minutes ago, person0 said:
Makes you wonder, there are those of us who were on the Lord's side in pre-mortal life, and yet in this life fall to the state of being son's of perdition. Is it possible that some among Lucifer and his followers, if passed through the veil and given a body, would ultimately be righteous, make and keep covenants, and based on mortal life only, be eligible to return to the celestial kingdom? Obviously not going to happen, but just a curious thought.
Ephesians 1:3-5, and Alma 13 suggest otherwise
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37 minutes ago, Sunday21 said:
@Fether. Polygamy is not a favorite topic in Relief Society! There could be a riot.
Let me rephrase... I don't think there is any doctrine in the church, old or new, that the church keeps out of lesson books.
But regardless of the controversy of the doctrine... it is still there and we will all need to come to terms with it eventually.
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1 minute ago, Sunday21 said:
I was looking at the teacher's lesson materials for D&C 31 and it includes frank discussion of pologamy! I never thought I would see this discussed in class. https://www.lds.org/topics/plural-marriage-in-the-church-of-jesus-christ-of-latter-day-saints
I have never heard this topic discussed at church before!
This should be an interesting class..I wonder how the sisters will react?
I don't know that there are any teachings old or new that are not taught in class. Even as early as gospel principles it states we will be god's.
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11 hours ago, CommanderSouth said:
I feel this is an outgrowth of some thoughts I have been having regarding the King Follet discourse.
I know this isn't standard works level cannon but for the sake of discussion let's assume it is.
God was once a man, now enthroned in yonder heaven. True, he is perfect and just and glorified, but he is still a being bound by laws that we don't know where the came from (or perhaps are simply self existing). This version of God doesn't create ex nihilo and reminds me of the statement that any sufficiently advanced technology would appear as magic to one of lesser understanding. With that in mind, one could simply treat this God as a sufficiently progressed man. Which is some ways removes the mystery and majesty of the divine.
Now let's go to the other hand. God is a self existing being who created our universe from nothing. He created the laws of our universe and is not bound by them. This leaves more questions about his reasoning as the idea of an omnipotent being creating feeling creatures that will suffer if they don't follow him by faith alone, that has its own set of problems.
This second being is more mysterious and divine in someways in my mind. But the question is, which God (if either) is God?
I think the idea I have is that, the LDS idea of God sometimes makes me feel like we lessen him by putting him on our level. That he simply holds all knowledge and that is how he does everything.
What do you all think?
I have played with the idea that God was just a man part of a highly technologically advanced human race that squires immortality, then to build a perfect society, the "god's" built this simulation for all men to go down before become part of such a perfect society. Only those that pass this simulation will acquire said "God hood" and he a part of this eternally growing perfect society.
This is of course all hullabaloo and not worth spending time rationalizing
https://speeches.byu.edu/talks/tad-r-callister_our-identity-and-our-destiny/
this talk was one of my first exposures to the topic and I feel it answers a lot of your questions.
this doctrine doesn't diminish god, but raises us to him. God does not intend that he will always be a mystery, but that one day we will be to fully rationalize his greatness and understand how he got there.
Why doesn't he do it now?
a thousand years ago if a man cured a case of polio, he would be a magician or holy man. Today he would be a doctor or scientist, far less impressive. We may have a similar reaction to god if we understood everything today.
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4 hours ago, BradenKing said:
Tune in for the latest and greatest. IM WANTING SOME ADVICE. I find myself everyday wanting to rely more on Jesus Christ in all my doings. I really want to take my testimony of Him to the next "LEVEL" so to speak... yet wondering if I could find more ideas. Or maybe I'm looking beyond the mark? I feel like I have the basis of a strong testimony of Him and I ask you all, "HOW DO YOU strengthen your testimony of Him? What do you do that takes your relationship with him and deepens it?" Please share your feelings.
You are not missing the mark in your desire to improve
but maybe in your thought process.
You said "I find myself everyday wanting to rely more on Jesus Christ in all my doings."
D+C 58:26-29 says
"26 For behold, it is not meet that I should command in all things; for he that is compelled in all things, the same is a slothful and not a wise servant; wherefore he receiveth no reward.
27 Verily I say, men should be anxiously engaged in a good cause, and do many things of their own free will, and bring to pass much righteousness;
28 For the power is in them, wherein they are agents unto themselves. And inasmuch as men do good they shall in nowise lose their reward.29 But he that doeth not anything until he is commanded, and receiveth a commandment with doubtful heart, and keepeth it with slothfulness, the same is damned."
so be careful that you don't force direction from Christ, cause more often than not (depending on the scenario of course) you won't receive direction, but rather God wants you to act according to what you have already been taught.
so what to do? Read scriptures every day, prayer regularly, magnify your callings (particularly home teaching!!!)... but really... go look at the covenants you have made in baptism and/or the temple and make sure you KNOW THEM and are living them to the fullest.
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4 hours ago, JohnsonJones said:
There are actually a LOT of cultural tendencies that Mormons have, especially moreso in the Northern Arizona/Utah/Southern and Eastern Idaho areas than the rest of the LDS Church.
However, MANY OF these would not be seen as favorable by many Mormons, and I would probably have a ton of people reporting my posts as insulting Mormons.
This is probably the most I'll say on the matter.
The sad thing is, however, that many Mormons in these areas cannot discern the difference between cultural and doctrine. What's worse, is that because of these tendencies, they normally cause many honest and believing saints to not be active simply because the culture of the LDS saints in these areas favor White Middle to Upper class households more so than those who are not part of that grouping. In this, I am probably also part of the problem (as someone in my ward has pointed out to me previously when we went to visit them) rather than the solution. I am just as much part of the Mormon cultural tendencies as anyone, and perhaps the things that I notice most may be because they are things I know I do or how I act that are not necessarily "doctrine" in the LDS church.
It goes far beyond this, but I think even the little I just said may offend some people. If I went into length or detail, I think there would be many saints who would be offended, even if I expound that much of this is probably going into detail of my own hypocritical actions and cultural beliefs and thoughts. So, despite the little I said, it's probably better if I stay quiet on this rather than expound on this in any great detail.
I actually want you to be specific. The purpose of my thread was to pinpoint them. I here people complaining about them often... but like you said... I can't figure out what they are cause I don't think I've ever seen any of them (except maybe the "assigned seating"... which I don't really think counts).
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3 hours ago, Sunday21 said:
@NeuroTypical. I am sorry to pester you but...where do they put the L
Ward Member 1: "boLth those movies are great!!"
Ward Member 2: "I've seen them boLth, I love them!"
New Member: I like them bOth too!
Members 1&2: ... *awkward silence followed by judgement*...
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On 9/7/2017 at 10:49 AM, MormonGator said:
It's told that J Golden Kimball said that the only way to save the south is to burn it down and preach to the dead...
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After reading the Ensign Article titled 'We can do better: Welcoming others into the Fold', a question came to my mind.
What are some cultural tendencies that are not doctrinal that you have personally noticed? I can only think of minor ones like blessing the food, or when a friend of mine snapped at me for saying the word "Token" outside of the temple.
I ask this in hopes that I may find inconsistencies in my belief and can fix it.
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On 9/9/2016 at 6:54 PM, Backroads said:
Chatting with a young associate today who has been married about three years, no children yet. She says she was raised to find a husband who makes a very good income, but her husband has not yet been able to secure a job paying over 30,000$ She is afraid if she has kids she won't be able to stay home. Her parents are encouraging her to divorce her husband if he doesn't find a way to make more money in the next year, and she really considering this. It is indeed a temple marriage. Her reasoning is that while she loves her husband, she doesn't feel he is living up to his duty by not being able to make enough.
Can you imagine if Emma had the same thinking when marrying Joseph?
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What do you mean? Like the continent? The ideology? The politicians? The people?