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    my two cents got a reaction from zil in General Authority excommunicated   
    I think it's so people don't question what he had said in Conference talks, etc since they're still online.
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    my two cents reacted to askandanswer in Should we 'out' fellow church goers?   
    I suspect that LDS approaches to this situations are influenced by perhaps too much weight being given to some doctrines, and not enough weight given to others. The doctrines that are perhaps given too much weight are that every man is responsible for their own salvation, to judge not that ye be not judged, and a great reliance on the capacity of Bishops to receive inspiration about their members. The doctrines that are perhaps not being given enough weight are to love one another and to love our neighbours as ourselves and that we are indeed our brother’s keeper. I suspect that an incorrect notion that the idea of “telling on someone” is a bad thing also influences our behaviour in these kinds of situations. In reality, the truth is that any action which could lead an individual to repentance is likely to be a good action, and when we see a brother or sister fall, we should not pass them by, but help them to stand up again and encourage them to seek assistance from someone who can aid with healing any injuries they may have suffered from their fall.
    I believe that the most recent word of the Lord on how we should respond to situations like this was given by Elder Christofferson in the Sunday afternoon session of General Conference when he said
    While the duty to warn is felt especially keenly by prophets, it is a duty shared by others as well. In fact, “it becometh every man who hath been warned to warn his neighbor.”11 We who have received a knowledge of the great plan of happiness—and its implementing commandments—should feel a desire to share that knowledge since it makes all the difference here and in eternity. And if we ask, “Who is my neighbor that I should warn?” surely the answer will be found in a parable that begins, “A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves,”12 and so forth.
    https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2017/04/the-voice-of-warning?lang=eng
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    my two cents reacted to Vort in Are Confessions Kept Confidential by Bishops?   
    Perhaps this will help you, clbent. From For the Strength of Youth:
     
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    my two cents reacted to Jane_Doe in Are Confessions Kept Confidential by Bishops?   
    He didn't break confidentiality at all.  He heavily heavily encouraged you and your dad to talk.  Yes, for a teenager that can seem like the end of the world, but it's really a good thing. 
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    my two cents reacted to Vort in Are Confessions Kept Confidential by Bishops?   
    And your bishop gave you pointed advice -- not merely advice, but important counsel, which you proceeded to blow off. That's on you, not him.
    I don't know. Perhaps he did cross a line he should not have. But there is no doubt that you failed to do what your bishop -- the common judge in Israel -- counseled you to do in order to remove the stain of sin from your soul. So again, the main theme here is not about your bishop. It's about you.
    Why did you even bother to tell your bishop, anyway? If you were planning on ignoring what he had to say, what's the point? Because you're "supposed" to? I mean, I suppose that's a good motivation when contrasted with not talking to your bishop. But it's like telling someone to read the Book of Mormon, so he does so, but doesn't pray or attempt to change his life to conform to it. What good does it do him? Similarly, what good to confess to the bishop and then ignore him?
    Your father is your Priesthood leader, especially in your childhood and youth. He is not merely a leader by inspired calling, like a bishop or even a quorum adviser; he is a leader by divine right. He is your patriarch. Until you reach adulthood, it is primarily his duty to lead and guide you. You short-circuited that relationship, despite your bishop pointedly instructing you to include him in your repentance.
    To answer your question, I don't believe this is typical behavior. But I think you should quit worrying about the bishop's actions altogether, and instead worry about your refusal to follow inspired Priesthood counsel.
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    my two cents reacted to seashmore in Are Confessions Kept Confidential by Bishops?   
    Sounds to me like he was encouraging you to have an open line of communication with your parent/s, especially as it relates to living the Gospel. He was helping to strengthen you and your family in the best way he knew how. Had you followed his counsel, he wouldn't have felt obligated to say anything to your dad.
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    my two cents reacted to Mordo_Rigby in How long have you all personally dated someone before making it official?   
    Thank you!  I figured I'd give you an update.  I had another date with her today and I told her basically what you suggested more or less.  I said something along the lines of "I've really enjoyed going on dates with you and I really like you.  Would you like to continue dating and see where this goes?"  And she said that she would love to if I do.  So, that's a pretty good sign! =)
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    my two cents reacted to person0 in Elder Lynn G. Robbins   
    I really like that story about Brigham Young.  In all fairness to Elder Robbins, he also discussed the legitimate needs, both medical and otherwise to come home.  Although he didn't say for sure, the missionaries in his stories sounded as if they were simply very homesick.  He even told another story of an Elder who went to his mission president and said he wanted to go home, the mission president said, "No you don't.  You just need a cheeseburger and some watermelon."  He took the missionary out to eat, and the missionary felt better and decided to stay.  Yet another story was of a missionary who wanted to go home and his mission president, his mother, father, girlfriend, siblings, all tried to no avail to convince him to stay.  Then finally the Elder's grandmother called and said, "Out of 9 generations in this family we've never had a missionary return home early and we're not going to start now."  She then promptly hung up the phone, the missionary stayed and completed his mission.  As far as I know, in the cases Elder Robbins presented there were no lack of faith issues, or medical issues applicable, just regular 'trunkiness'.  Also, sorry those other two stories weren't in the notes, I didn't catch every detail as I was initially typing it up. 
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    my two cents reacted to Grunt in Redundant Phrases in the Church   
    For the past few weeks I've just been praying.  I don't particularly care who does or doesn't like the manner or text of my prayer.  
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    my two cents reacted to person0 in Elder Lynn G. Robbins   
    Elder Lynn G. Robbins came to my ward today and taught us for nearly the full two hours following sacrament meeting.  Here are the notes I took from what he taught.  Feel free to ask for clarification if/where needed.  I know I didn't miss a single core principle from what he taught.
    Be like Jesus Christ.  Be leads to do, do leads to be. Be is the weightier of the two verbs. You can't count be, you can only count do.  Church statistics measure Do, even though Be is the weightier in importance Do is the evidence of be.  In the world we have to do lists but not to be lists, because be can't be counted. We all ought to have a to be list.  Make a to be list and place items on our to do list that match. Savior is called Rabbi over 90 times in the New testament. Effective teaching is the essence of all callings, Bishop, primary, stake president, etc. No success can compensate for failure in the home. David o McKay. The greatest work you will ever do is in your home.  Harold b Lee. The Book of Mormon begins by recognizing the value of the home.  Nephi was raised of goodly parents and as a result he was taught. "We have learned by sad experience that it is the nature and disposition of almost all men, as soon as they get a little authority, as they suppose, they will immediately begin to exercise unrighteous dominion."  Change the word men to parents. The scriptures show the way the Perfect Parent raises his children, us. The Perfect Parent never forces His children, he teaches them, exports them, etc, etc, but He doesn't force them, they maintain their agency. The Holy Ghost will bother our children more than we will.  We need to trust it.  By trying to force our children to be good, we plant the seeds of rebellion. Story:  Kid doesn't want to go to church for x reason, father says to give his excuse to God since it's God's church, kid ponders and gets ready without further prompting. Doctrine answers why.  Principles answer what.  Rules are rare, because a slothful servant has to be compelled in all things. The world is opposite.  Tax code is between 4 and 5000 pages and is always growing now possibly up to 100,000 pages.  How many pages has the Lord given for tithing?  Less than 1, it is the true principle, then we govern ourselves. If a person does not understand the principle, they need to be taught the doctrine. When a person understands why, they begin to change themselves. If you ask the prophet if you can drink Coke he will not write you back.  We make these decisions on our own. It is better to teach a man to fish than to give a fish.  Teach your children to make wise decisions.  Teach them to recognize the holy ghost. We must teach our children to be spiritually self reliant.  Even let them fail every once in a while. Story:  There is no rule on TV watching on Sunday, but when Elder Robbins 10 year old daughter asks to watch Jaws he let her make the decision.  She didn't want to make the decision because she wanted to not have the guilt.  Eventually she decided to watch it.  She later felt bad about the decision and learned to distinguish right from wrong. If he could go back he would have taught her the doctrine right at the crossroads of the decision. Alma 31:5 - And now, as the preaching of the word had a great tendency to lead the people to do that which was just—yea, it had had more powerful effect upon the minds of the people than the sword, or anything else, which had happened unto them—therefore Alma thought it was expedient that they should try the virtue of the word of God. Preaching changes from inside out, sword changes from outside in.  Spanking is the sword, discipline is from disciple, we need to teach. Anger is a decision.  People don't make you mad, you don't 'lose' your temper.  If we believe someone made us mad, we are being acted upon rather than acting.  We can choose not to get angry. Story:  Before his son became more rebellious as his father became angry, endless cycle.  He apologized to his (wayward and rebellious) son and promised to never get angry ever again (Elder Robbins kept his promise).  His son eventually repented and kept commandments and served a full mission and is still faithful and active today. "As often as my people do repent, I will forgive them."  Consider as: 'as often as my people sincerely partake of the sacrament, I will forgive them. Can priest bless sacrament if wearing an earing? If there church made rules for everything there would be thousands and thousands of pages.' Jews had so many rules for the Sabbath day.  Savior heals people on Sabbath.  Doctrine: can you do good on the Sabbath? Too many rules destroy spiritual capacity to develop. May a Priest bless the sacrament wearing an earring, sandals, and not a white shirt? Yes. Change question from can he to should he?  Teach the young man the doctrine to help him change on his own. We will prove them now herewith to see if they will be obedient. . .  Sometimes God's commands are difficult even for the most valiant. Sometimes obedience is the most important why.  1 cup of coffee will not keep you out of heaven, but disobedience will. You can make your kids bed better than they can, but you love them and are patient as they learn. We can teach negative consequences of poor decisions with firmness, not requiring anger. Story:  Missionaries parents told him he would have to get job to pay his own way home if wanted to go home early. . . decided to stay. Story:  Mother told son if he is mature enough to make the decision to come home early from mission, he is mature enough to live on his own without parental assistance. . . decided to stay. Once you choose the road, you have already chosen the destination.  As a result you will become your own judge, because you know the choice you made.  Sometimes it's painful. Agency is so important God allowed 1/3 of the host of heaven to rebel and lose their first estate. J.S. taught about how the sealing power is powerful and has a way to bring back wayward children in this life or the next. We can discipline but we never withdraw love, we should never make our children fearful of us. HF is the one perfect parent, we will have more success as we follow his methods.
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    my two cents reacted to CharleyRey in Waiting Period When First Wed Civilly   
    This was a question I had years ago. I prayed, fasted, and pondered about this and other things that were causing me to question the administration of The Church.  Now I know the answer. Receiving this answer required prayer, pondering, humility, and fasting. As you search for and receive this answer for yourself you will likely receive answers for other church policies that could be questionable to the understanding of our natural mind.
    It would be a mistake to view this policy as punitive. You must know that it is never the mission of The Church, or our Heavenly Father, to harm or hold us back in anyway! The eternal efficacy of Temple ordinance is dependent on obedience to an eternal order established for the "benifit" of man-an order that we are trying to understand by attending the Temple.  How can we dictate to The Lord how these ordinances should be conducted when we are at the begining stages of learning about the Temple?
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    my two cents reacted to estradling75 in Waiting Period When First Wed Civilly   
    Because God through his appointed leaders said so...  So back at you.   Do you believe that the Church is currently lead by a Prophet of God?
    If your answer is yes... then exercise some Faith that God knows what he is doing.  If the answer is no then you know what you need to work in.
    Either way the answer to your questions (and all the other questions you have posted) require you as an individual to get on your knees and pray.
    Because we on this forum can give our various opinions, but that will only cause you to confirm what you want to hear and ignore what you do not
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    my two cents reacted to clbent04 in Redundant Phrases in the Church   
    Point taken. I am being judgemental and could try easing up on not letting this pet peeve get to me so much.  
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    my two cents reacted to Grunt in True Religion Test   
    You are in the same boat as I am.  However, the flaw in your proposal is it can't be measured, nor can a single person be filled with the Holy Spirit, then emptied, then filled (wash rinse repeat) until they have felt the Holy Spirit through every religion, and yet ONLY that religion.  It is literally impossible.  Therefore there IS no measure, nor any way to measure, for anyone.  

    That's probably why Moroni 10:3-5 tells us to ask God Himself, and He will tell us.  There is quite literally no other way to tell.  Either you know it to be true because He tells you it is, you suspect it to be true even though you haven't been shown it to be, or you just don't accept it.  Read, question, and pray.  That's really all you can do as far as I know.
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    my two cents reacted to paracaidista508 in Possible job switcharoo   
    We have an adult kid on this. So far so good and it is el cheapo.
    https://www.libertyhealthshare.org/3-program-options
    As for the possibility of taking the part time job with the associated pay cut: I'm thinking that someone who does that shouldn't then go to the govt for govt (schip / Medicaid)healthcare when they placed themselves in that position by purposely taking a pay hit. Not saying you would do that, but it was suggested to you. Part of me thinks that would be a bit dishonest and actually fraud (not literally, but morally) if you ask me. Being able to pay for it before, but going part time not because you have to, but because you want to and then now the taxpayer has to cover it.
     
     
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    my two cents reacted to prisonchaplain in Age-related humor   
    The biggest age-related crisis in my life came at 25. I thought, "Wow. I'm about one-third of the way through my life. What have I accomplished?" In making my assessment, I came away pretty satisfied (still working on humility--it's as difficult as golf!). Like many here, I had completed multiple years of missionary work, finished my schooling (though I would later do more), and held the kind of work I knew I could do for decades.
    The biggest-age-related surprise was finally turning 50 and realizing it was a good thing. I've got the house, the beautiful wife, the loving children, the meaningful vocation, and...and...I'M EVEN THE NON-LDS MODERATOR AT LDS.NET. Life is good. I've earned these years. Why am I stressing! The 50s have been much easier than my 40s were (when I was approaching 50 and feeling nervous).
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    my two cents reacted to Backroads in Latest Boy Scout poop (and I don't use that term lightly)   
    My staff girls who went up for a whole summer to live in tents, shower in crappy showers, and basically run around in the woods all day. Note the jacket uniforms. This is all free will and every single girl in this photo was a repeat camp offender.
    Girls also like to pretend we're bears for photo ops because we think it's cute.
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    my two cents reacted to NeuroTypical in Latest Boy Scout poop (and I don't use that term lightly)   
    Forgive me if I miss my guess here, but you're still a dependent child living in your parent's home, right?  Do these girls know you've appointed yourself their life coach, and you've assigned yourself duties to get them to make appropriate life choices, and you try to steer them away from things you think they shouldn't do?
     
    Ok, so I recognize everything here, I think we've all seen this, and most of us have been this.  This is normal behavior for unattached teen kids, boy or girl.  I think you get into trouble when you start using blanket statements like this is all they do, or all girls do this, or girls do this all the time.  
     
    It is true, girls are not just like boys.  But again, watch out for blanket statements.  My wife could outfish her father at 16 and loved camping.  My 16 year old is too busy taking her prizewinning turkeys to fair to bother with boys.  Maybe get some phrases like "all the girls I know", or "most of the girls at my school", or "all of my three sisters" going.  There's a whole choir here, and not everyone sings the same part, even if that's all you see.
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    my two cents got a reaction from seashmore in Life Skills   
    self defense
    first aid
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    my two cents reacted to prisonchaplain in After betrayal, can my marriage be happy?   
    I especially appreciated how the author distinguished forgiveness from trust. It's hugely important to forgive--but also to realize that in the forgiving, trust is not automatically bestowed. In fact, it may not come. Often, this separation of the two issues frees victims to do the forgiving. When it's realized that to forgive is not to excuse the sin, nor to insinuate confidence about the future, victims can often say, "Okay, I can forgive what has happened. In so doing I am not denying my pain, nor am I offering any can of endorsement for my betrayer, so yes, I can say, "Neither do I condemn, and I sincerely hope you will 'go and sin no more.'"  The author also points out that trust is ultimately a faith decision--and the faith is not in God, but in the person. It may be that trust cannot be restored. Jesus seems to recognize this possibility when he permits divorce in cases of unfaithfulness. 
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    my two cents reacted to zil in Latest Boy Scout poop (and I don't use that term lightly)   
    @Dillon, you're taking what appears to be personal experience, using hyperbole to exaggerate it, and abstracting that to apply it to all teen girls everywhere without any other consideration.  This is not an effective way to make a point.  (And you're wrong about the universality of your premise.)
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    my two cents reacted to pam in Latest Boy Scout poop (and I don't use that term lightly)   
    I tend to disagree with that as least as far as LDS girls.  Thousands and thousands of girls attend girl's camp every summer without boys and love it.
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    my two cents got a reaction from SpiritDragon in Life Skills   
    self defense
    first aid
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    my two cents reacted to SpiritDragon in Life Skills   
    Hey everyone,
    I was just reading some of the comments in @Vort's latest BSA thread and was interested in the discussion around a replacement program for BSA and how individuals perceived different areas of learning and activities being geared toward one gender or another. I didn't want to hijack the thread (and probably wouldn't succeed if I tried anyway), but I thought it might be interesting to discuss what life skills people think would be useful to incorporate into a program to help young men and women develop into well-rounded, self reliant men and women.
    Some skills that I think would be useful to have activities to train in:
    Navigation skills: Reading maps, using GPS, Compasses, noting directions based on landmarks and the sky and so on.
    Basic repair skills: patching holes in drywall, replacing a toilet wax gasket, changing a tire, some basic framing skills, patching jeans, adjusting hemlines
    communication skills: the art of talking instead of texting....  perhaps even developing proficiency in Morse code and smoke signals 
    Knot tying: I hated this part of scouts, but it's really useful to know.
    food preparation skills: it wouldn't be bad for everyone to learn some basics on food safety and perhaps learn a few basic reasonably healthy recipes they could use. Maybe even just how to follow directions in a cookbook - I'm often amazed at how many people simply can't follow a recipe.
    Survival skills: recognizing edible plants and knowing how to use them, possibly some hunting and tracking skills, how to build a fire (without matches or a lighter/igniter/flamethrower?), setting up basic shelter
    What skills would you like to have learned or like to see learned by youth coming through such a program?
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    my two cents got a reaction from eddified in Mixed Emotions   
    It really does sound like you need to talk to someone and I agree with @Sunday about reaching out to the stake pres instead. Going through a little discomfort for a short time is way better than feeling the way you do for a lifetime.