Suicide

[JohnnyRudick]

Was trying again to get the "Search" engine to work for me again.

(Never could before but I thought I'd try again)

A friend of mind had a relative kill himself here lately and is wondering what will happen to him.

Not a member of the Church as if that had any baring on it.

What do you think?

And how do you work this "search" engine?

Later.

[namastic4488]

honestly.... I dont think its for us to judge. However, he did take the life that the Lord planned on using for miracles its sad they wont be performed. God Bless their family.

[BenRaines]

I do not believe that anyone in their right mind would take their own life. Since there had to be some condition, usually mental, that would allow this beast, human, to take it's own life, since we try so hard to preserve it. My guess is that the taking of their own life will not be considered and again as previous poster stated, it is not my call, thank goodness.

Ben Raines

[Gwen]

go to advanced search (you don't have to enter anything more than the word if you don't want to)... it will work...

[Traveler]

Was trying again to get the "Search" engine to work for me again.

(Never could before but I thought I'd try again)

A friend of mind had a relative kill himself here lately and is wondering what will happen to him.

Not a member of the Church as if that had any baring on it.

What do you think?

And how do you work this "search" engine?

Later.

I think that G-d is merciful and kind and will help everyone find a place that is what they really desire.

The Traveler

[ryanh]

Suicide: Some Things We Know, and Some We Do Not - M. Russel Ballard Edited August 31, 2009 by ryanh

[talisyn]

Was trying again to get the "Search" engine to work for me again.

(Never could before but I thought I'd try again)

A friend of mind had a relative kill himself here lately and is wondering what will happen to him.

Not a member of the Church as if that had any baring on it.

What do you think?

And how do you work this "search" engine?

Later.

How very sad! First thing is your friend's relative will see people who love him, and things go from there. I agree with Ben, and the relative will get the help he needs.

[pam]

Suicide: Some Things We Know, and Some We Do Not - M. Russel Ballard

Thanks Ryan. That's the talk I was trying to do a quick search for.

[NeuroTypical]

Yep - Ryanh's link is the best answer.

Murder is a sin.

Sometimes people are out of their minds and do things they are not accountable for.

We mere humans don't have the correct tools to accurately acertain the state of someone's mind when they commit suicide.

Therefore, we just don't know. There is hope. God is a loving father, He just doesn't write off his troubled or wayward kids.

LM

[StallionMcBeastly]

Thinking about how much pain and how incredibly terrible someone would feel to want to kill themselves rather than live; I feel God would have compassion for what the person was enduring.

That's pain I can't even fathom.

[JohnnyRudick]

Everyone has been sooooo helpful:)

Thanks;)

Yeah, a friend said he was talking to him and everything seemed ok.

He got up and said he would be right back.

He went out into the garage and - - -after a while the friend went out to check on him and found him hanging from an electric cord:(

Over all, that is what I thought also.

God is merciful and sometimes illness gets the best of

mineral deficiencies and Hormone imbalances and such that can turn our bodies into usable messes.

This man seemed to be stable who was talking to him and all seemed ok when he said he would be right back.

After a while he checked on him - - -out in the garage,

and found him hanging from a light cord.

Strange stuff.

Thanks people.

Luv ya all:)

Bro. Rudick

[Jbs2763]

as someone who has battled depression for most of the last 20 years, this is something that at times has really seemed like a viable option, granted it hasn't been a every day thing, but at times you tend to think... hmm... I can make it look like an accident so my family won't have to know... but I've never got to quite that dark of a place... Have come really close a few times, closer than I would like to admit or discus, and only a few people know the details of those times...

[Elphaba]

I am so impressed no one here said how selfish suicide is. That is usually the pat response, and it is made with no real understanding why someone would do such a thing.

People commit suicide because they are in unimaginable pain, and that place is unfathomable to people who haven't been there. And it is not unusual at all for them to hide this pain, for a very long time, from everyone. It's exhausting, and just too complicated to explain.

Additionally, people who suicide often think their loved ones, for a myriad of reasons, would be better off without them. That is not selfishness.

I agree it leaves a deep and permanent wound to those who loved that person. I also know that if the person survives the attempt, and does receive enough help that they can think clearly about what they almost did, they will see the agony their suicide would have caused. Hopefully they can find some peace with their loved ones, and within themselves.

When someone is in that place, and its a true attempt, they can't see beyond the next moment, as it is too frightening to "know" this pain will never, ever stop. It is not meant to hurt anyone else. It is meant to stop the hurt within.

Elphaba

[Moksha]

A friend of mind had a relative kill himself here lately and is wondering what will happen to him.

Your friend will feel sorrow. Be there for him.

[Snow]

honestly.... I dont think its for us to judge. However, he did take the life that the Lord planned on using for miracles its sad they wont be performed. God Bless their family.

You can rest assured that an omnipotent god already knew the outcome and wouldn't have made plans for what he already knew wouldn't happen... unless of course, God isn't prescient.

[ferretrunner]

Suicide happens when people are overwhelmed, feel trapped, scared, alone, and hopeless. There can be many underlying mental health conditions, such as depression. When someone gets to that point, their ability to make rational decisions is severly compromised. They truly do not recognize the impact of the action: they're not thinking about family, about sin, about hope, about the future. I truly believe that God looks at someone who completed a suicide with compassion. Jesus healed many who were sick- I believe the same healing applies.

I am sorry for your friend's loss.

[Mirium]

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That's pain I can't even fathom.

And my hope for you and anyone else who hasn't experienced it is that you never ever have to.

Thankyou Elphaba I couldn't have put it any better myself

[Hemidakota]

Was trying again to get the "Search" engine to work for me again.

(Never could before but I thought I'd try again)

A friend of mind had a relative kill himself here lately and is wondering what will happen to him.

Not a member of the Church as if that had any baring on it.

What do you think?

And how do you work this "search" engine?

Later.

Not enough information here to determine the fate of the individual. What I can say, homocide bombers are still in the area where they decide to commit this crime.

[Hemidakota]

Was this person a member of the church?

[Mahone]

I'm a member of another forum where at least twice now, a thread has started on how selfish people are for throwing themselves in front of trains - the OP (and quite a few posters seem to be in agreement) states that if they plan on killing themselves, they should do it in a manner which doesn't affect so many other people, particularly those commuters who "suffer" from the transport delays that are caused as they "pick up the pieces". It's scary just how little empathy is shown by some people.

[talisyn]

My brother came back from Iraq a mess, but he hid it really really good until his first suicide attempt (fortunately he was too lethargic from some pills that he didn't get deep enough). The past 2 years have been real eye-openers for me in regards to suicide and PTSD. I don't think he really wanted to die, I think he just thought he ran out of viable options. Kind've sounds like what happened to your friend's relative.

I wish more people had a clearer understanding of what this life is for, they might be able to handle things better.

[Hemidakota]

True! Most who do commit suicide will commit another sin as to the mortal cause-n-affect of this tragedy for those who have to witness this act or as you stated, with the clean-up. Is this a selfish act, yes in a sense.

Going back to the OP, was this a member of the church?

[goofball]

Unfortunately I have had to do research on this topic for myself due to a family situation. What I have found to be of most comfort is the fact that I, nor anyone around me, knew the person's state of mind when they actually committed suicide. Of what we do know, the person was clearly not in the "right state of mind"

Ultimately it has come down to my faith. After my life was turned upside down I really questioned my faith, the Church, etc. It came down to one decision: Do I let this destroy my life and eternal salvation or do I move on and not let it destroy me. Thankfully I have managed to choose the latter.

I found this while looking for an article and it seems to be a fairly extensive lists of articles considering how little is known/discussed. Hope it helps

LDS resources on suicide

[ferretrunner]

My brother came back from Iraq a mess, but he hid it really really good until his first suicide attempt (fortunately he was too lethargic from some pills that he didn't get deep enough). The past 2 years have been real eye-openers for me in regards to suicide and PTSD. I don't think he really wanted to die, I think he just thought he ran out of viable options. Kind've sounds like what happened to your friend's relative.

I wish more people had a clearer understanding of what this life is for, they might be able to handle things better.

Talisyn,

I hope your brother is doing better. Is he connected with services with the VA? Each VA region has a OIF/OEF coordinator to help the vets connect with services. He can also be seen at Veteran's Outreach Centers. U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs Your brother can find the closest VA center on that website- and locate the OIF/OEF coordinator.

For general information:

National Suicide Prevention Hotline

1-800-273- TALK (8255)

This line is available 24/7 for anyone. They provide crisis support and referral services to the local area.

If you're a veteran, press option 1. This connects the veteran with someone trained to work with veterans. It also serves as a referral to the local VA for further assistance. The Suicide Prevention Coordinator in the VA is notified and contacts the vet on the next working day to help connect him/her with services or other assistance.

I'm happy to see an open discussion of this topic. Suicide is hard to talk about. But, we can save lives by being willing to talk- and listen- and act.

[Hemidakota]

If he is still active in the service, he can contact his command and ask for help. Each base has a counsel staff to handle this type of issue.