bytor2112 Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 I'm sorry this topic has caused you so much personal distress.I'm sorry that you think it has......and that you feel compelled to push buttons by non sensical posts like this one and the one aimed at Bytebear about not having an aneurysm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefche Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 Count me in the camp that would like another hymn in place of Hie to Kolob. And add another to the heap--In Our Lovely Deseret. Bleh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just_A_Guy Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 In the interest of post-election "coming-togetherness", I will say that Bytebear's interpretation is a new one on me and further say that I think "If You Could Hie to Kolob" is an awesome hymn. There, have I sufficiently offended all sides? You're welcome. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dravin Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 Eternal progression is not an essential doctrine???????????????????????????????????The song does seem to go on forever but I'm not sure I'd call it eternal progression. *rimshot* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vort Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 Count me in the camp that would like another hymn in place of Hie to Kolob. And add another to the heap--In Our Lovely Deseret. BlehIs "In Our Lovely Deseret" currently found in a hymnal? I didn't think it had been in a hymnal, adult or children's, since before I was born. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dravin Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 is "in our lovely deseret" currently found in a hymnal? I didn't think it had been in a hymnal, adult or children's, since before i was born.#307. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefche Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 Is "In Our Lovely Deseret" currently found in a hymnal? I didn't think it had been in a hymnal, adult or children's, since before I was born.Obviously, your ward doesn't like the hymn as much as our ward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vort Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 #307.Lookie there. How could I have missed that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 Hark! Hark! Hark! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackmarch Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 I wish they'd remove that beautiful hymn and put back Come, Thou Fount.ouchas mucha s i want come thou fount back in the hymnbook i dont think i coudl sacrifice that one for it XD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmarklin Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 I like Bytebear's interpretation, and it might be correct. I've always been taught that Kolob was a place, and the Hymn certainly supports that as well. However it it's also possible that BOTH are true, and that while Kolob is a place, it's also representative of a type and organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikbone Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 Two of my favorite hymns. For the Record, I believe that God lives on a celestialized planet. Im not sure what He calls it but Kolob sounds pretty kool to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanctitasDeo Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 I wouldn't mind getting rid of Our Lovely Deseret. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
circusboy01 Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 (edited) I wish they'd remove that beautiful hymn and put back Come, Thou Fount.I remember when I first came back to church, after 30 years, that they had taken "Come Thou Fount" out of the Hymn books. I was really disappointed, because it was my favorite Hymn. (still is.) Also I could sing it without getting off key too often. So I agree that getting " Come Thou Fount" back in the Hymn book would be great. But I think we should have both. Brother Ray Edited November 8, 2012 by circusboy01 Put wrong song in first time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
circusboy01 Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 "Elohim" is a Hebrew word (אֱלֹהִ֔ים) meaning "gods". In the Old Testament, it is used mostly to refer to God (Jehovah), and is considered a sort of "name" for God. In LDS circles, we use "Elohim" as a proper name to refer specifically to God the Father, not Jehovah (who is Jesus Christ). This is primarily temple usage; outside the temple and early Church writings, we really do not see or use the term "elohim" very much.Kolob is described as "the star nearest the throne of God" in the Book of Abraham (Pearl of Great Price). The Book of Abraham talks about stars being divided into various orders, higher and lower, and Kolob being of the highest order, next to the throne of God himself. So what does it mean? Apparently, it meant something to Abraham. For us and our modern view of astronomy, it doesn't mean very much.Some, primarily professional anti-Mormons, have claimed Kolob as a "planet" that God "lives on". Such people delight in making LDS doctrine sound as bizarre and science-fiction-y as they possibly can. Don't expect any reasonable interpretations from such people.The fact is that "Kolob" forms approximately 0.000% of any gospel doctrine, Relief Society, quorum, or family home evening lesson. Many members who have never read the Pearl of Great Price closely are not even aware of the existence of something called "Kolob". It is an exotic and mostly unknown LDS doctrine, popularized primarily by enemies of the restored gospel as something to mock and make fun of. I urge you to ignore their mockings. Welp. The anti Mormons sure had me fooled. I thought Kolob was actually a planet so large that it took 1000 year for one revolution, or day. which was the reason Gods time is so much longer than our time. Brother ray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SquidMom Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 Welp. The anti Mormons sure had me fooled. I thought Kolob was actually a planet so large that it took 1000 year for one revolution, or day. which was the reason Gods time is so much longer than our time. Brother rayThanks. Good to know I'm not the only one confused. Although you are probably joking.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
circusboy01 Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 (edited) Thanks. Good to know I'm not the only one confused. Although you are probably joking....No I wasn't joking. Is my statement so foolish that it sounds like a joke? ( this could be taken as a smart remark. Please believe me that's not how I meant it.) Edited November 8, 2012 by Eowyn No swearing, even in Q-bert language. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SquidMom Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 No. But you have to admit that this site is riddled with sarcasm. I'm cautious.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bytor2112 Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 The song does seem to go on forever but I'm not sure I'd call it eternal progression. *rimshot*Motab doing the song is awesome.... ....not so sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
circusboy01 Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 The song does seem to go on forever but I'm not sure I'd call it eternal progression. *rimshot*That's funny. How come we no longer have a Laugh button, along with the Quote, and Thanks button? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikbone Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 Welp. The anti Mormons sure had me fooled. I thought Kolob was actually a planet so large that it took 1000 year for one revolution, or day. which was the reason Gods time is so much longer than our time. Brother rayThere is really no correlation between the size of the planet and a day (single revolution). Jupiter has 1300 times the volume of the Earth and its day is only 9 hours and 55 minutes.Anti-Mormons are so hopeless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vort Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 · Hidden Hidden That's funny. How come we no longer have a Laugh button, along with the Quote, and Thanks button?No Laugh button in the LDS Gospel Discussion forum. Link to comment
Vort Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 · Hidden Hidden I wish they'd remove that beautiful hymn and put back Come, Thou Fount.Too many couples waltzing in the aisles every time it's sung. Link to comment
pam Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 That's funny. How come we no longer have a Laugh button, along with the Quote, and Thanks button? There never was one in this particular forum. Keeps people from using the laugh button as a way to mock our beliefs which is what this particular forum is strictly for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackmarch Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 (edited) Welp. The anti Mormons sure had me fooled. I thought Kolob was actually a planet so large that it took 1000 year for one revolution, or day. which was the reason Gods time is so much longer than our time. Brother raywe've found planets on which the year is 10 hours. We've also found stars that complete a rotation in less than a minute. so if we have found things at the extreme end for short, id imagine that somewhere theres something at the other extreme end.It may be the case that it literally has a 1000 year day, and that it may be a planet or star. I would not rule that out; In many cases God uses actual things to symbolize something. But the point is not that is how long or how close they are, but what they represent. Edited November 9, 2012 by Blackmarch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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