WWJD?

[pam]

Interesting question on Ask Gramps today.

 

What are your thoughts?

 

http://askgramps.org/24120/far-can-person-stretch-jesus-thing

 

 

 

*Yes anatess I'm aware of your situation and have passed it on to our techs.  :)

[Dravin]

What is interesting is that while it seems like a conundrum asking, "What would Jesus do?" doesn't change the nature of the dilemmas being presented. At it's heart it's asking what the correct, moral, and godly thing to do in the situation is. It doesn't matter if you're asking it as a hypothetical for Jesus or as a hypothetical for yourself*. 

 

*I suppose it cuts down on, "I know it's wrong but..." type responses.

[Irishcolleen]

Jesus taught that we ought to obey God rather than man. I believe Jesus would condone buying food on the black market. It says in 1 Tim 5:8, "But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel."  Jesus would definitely not turn in Jewish neighbors.  He wouldn't lie- He would just refuse to tell and take the consequences of not telling.

[Wingnut]

Irreverent though it is, I often think of this.  Usually it gives me a needed moment of release, and then I can think seriously again without simply seeing red.

 

[Irishcolleen]

Irreverent though it is, I often think of this.  Usually it gives me a needed moment of release, and then I can think seriously again without simply seeing red.

 

Love it!  Wish I could multi-like it!

[The Folk Prophet]

I like the article. It brings out what is, perhaps, the key point that most miss when discussing virtues. The virtue to end all virtues, as one might put it, is obedience!

 

Yes, Love God is the most important commandment (or virtue). Love your neighbor as yourself is the second. But obedience is requisite even to these, because without obedience, a commandment, even to love, is meaningless -- in that obeying is part of the defining character of what makes a command a command (obey me = I command).

 

Of all the examples set by our Savior, obedience was, perhaps, the foremost. Jesus did His Father's will in all thing. 

[Lakumi]

Jesus taught that we ought to obey God rather than man. I believe Jesus would condone buying food on the black market. It says in 1 Tim 5:8, "But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel."  Jesus would definitely not turn in Jewish neighbors.  He wouldn't lie- He would just refuse to tell and take the consequences of not telling.

 

But what about when it comes to obeying orginized religion, something Jesus didn't do. One never has to actually step into a church to beleive in God and accept Jesus into their heart (and all that stuff).

[Roseslipper]

this is a sticky situation I'd say

yesterday at church we talked in Sacramento about the family proclamation and a high council men talked about standing strong

and he said something to the effect that many people have been killed because they stood up for their testimony of what is right and in the last days

that this is something that might happen more and more so I think I'm a little confused here with this topic

that we should not be afraid to stand up for the truth and our testimonies and what we believe in.

no matter what may come.

[Guest]

But what about when it comes to obeying orginized religion, something Jesus didn't do. One never has to actually step into a church to beleive in God and accept Jesus into their heart (and all that stuff).

 

That's what he told Joseph Smith too.  Don't join any.  We don't obey religion.  We obey Heavenly Father.

 

Now, it's up to you what you think He is telling you to do.  As long as you're sincerely, honestly, and humbly asking.

[Lakumi]

That's what he told Joseph Smith too.  Don't join any.  We don't obey religion.  We obey Heavenly Father.

 

Now, it's up to you what you think He is telling you to do.  As long as you're sincerely, honestly, and humbly asking.

Well you do, you obey the church and its leaders- a religion.

[The Folk Prophet]

Well you do, you obey the church and its leaders- a religion.

 

If a general gives a command to a captain and the captain then passes it on, and so forth, until the private is given that order from the sergeant, is the private then to disobey the order because it did not come directly from the general?

 

God is our general. We obey Him, and all commands He gives through all the means in which He gives them. But it is Him we obey.

[Lakumi]

How do you not obey religion though?

[The Folk Prophet]

How do you not obey religion though?

 

First of all, let me state categorically that you are wrong about Jesus. He did, absolutely, obey organized religion. Just not all forms and organizations of that religion. Only that which was according to His Father's standard.

 

Secondly - you're missing the point. The point is to obey God. The fact is that God's commandments come through His authorized servants and that means organized religion. So obeying God will align with His organized religion and will mostly look as if one is obeying religion, as you put it. But it is God we obey.

[prisonchaplain]

But what about when it comes to obeying orginized religion, something Jesus didn't do. One never has to actually step into a church to beleive in God and accept Jesus into their heart (and all that stuff).

 

As others have said, Jesus did obey the tenents of Judaism.  As a rabbi, and as the Son of God, He corrected some misinterpretations.  Nevertheless, he honored those who donated to the temple (the Widow's mite), and he even encouraged the paying of taxes (rendor to Caesar what is Caesar's).

 

Then there is this nugget:

 

Hebrews 10:25

King James Version (KJV)

²⁵ Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

 

 

So, you might not have to step into a church to accept Jesus into your heart.  Might not even be necessary to be in a church (or ward) to repent.  However, if you sincerely convert, then you must needs deliver yourself unto his house.

[Blackmarch]

But what about when it comes to obeying orginized religion, something Jesus didn't do. One never has to actually step into a church to beleive in God and accept Jesus into their heart (and all that stuff).

Christ did obey organized religion (as given by moses)- he just didnt obey what was added to it by others. This is why its important to obtain the spirit so that one can get the right path to what is right and needs to be obeyed and what should not be obeyed, as well as having the right reasons for doing either obeisance or disobeisance. Failing that sticking to ones conscience usually is a good rule of thumb.

If a person has to step into a church to believe they are going tto have a hard time keeping that belief by that alone... ($.02)

[Blackmarch]

How do you not obey religion though?

Might be more accurate to say any certain religion.. in which case not accepting to do what it says to do or leaving it if you are part of it.

As for the term religion in general tho if someone believes in some power or another and then orders their life in some manner or another that reflects or revolves around that belief then they just have become religious. so to not obey that would actually take a lot of effort, and i would not know how to completely avoid that.

[Quin]

How do you not obey religion though?

The same way we disobey anyone/anything else, and for the same reasons.

(Necessity, desire, willful ignorance, ignorance, disagreement).

I disagree with FPs military example, though.

Because, to me, that's an abdication of personal responsibility.

To me, the Church is a gift.

An "easy button".

But no matter what, at the end of the day, I am the one who will have to face HF with both my actions and my Inactions.

Who knows? Perhaps "I was just following orders" / the abdication of personal responsibility will be a get out of jail free card. I'm not being sarcastic. It may well be.

I choose to live as if it isn't.

Which means I CHOOSE to follow the rules.

Individually. On a case by case basis.

Whether they're handed down from my religion, my country, my job... I do not obey blindly.

I believe very few people do obey blindly.

Most seek to understand, and choose for themselves.

Because even the best of people, those whom we hold in the highest regard, are not God.

They can make mistakes, they're not perfect.

And I can misunderstand them, even if they're completely in the right, because I'm not perfect, either.

(Ever have an argument with someone where you're both arguing the same side, because each of you is misunderstanding the other? That.).

So I feel it is incumbent on each of us to choose -very carefully- how we live our lives.

Which rules we follow, which we bend, and which we break.

I choose to obey, and I choose to disobey.

Just as most do.

Q

[The Folk Prophet]

The same way we disobey anyone/anything else, and for the same reasons.

(Necessity, desire, willful ignorance, ignorance, disagreement).

I disagree with FPs military example, though.

Because, to me, that's an abdication of personal responsibility.

To me, the Church is a gift.

An "easy button".

But no matter what, at the end of the day, I am the one who will have to face HF with both my actions and my Inactions.

Who knows? Perhaps "I was just following orders" / the abdication of personal responsibility will be a get out of jail free card. I'm not being sarcastic. It may well be.

I choose to live as if it isn't.

Which means I CHOOSE to follow the rules.

Individually. On a case by case basis.

Whether they're handed down from my religion, my country, my job... I do not obey blindly.

I believe very few people do obey blindly.

Most seek to understand, and choose for themselves.

Because even the best of people, those whom we hold in the highest regard, are not God.

They can make mistakes, they're not perfect.

And I can misunderstand them, even if they're completely in the right, because I'm not perfect, either.

(Ever have an argument with someone where you're both arguing the same side, because each of you is misunderstanding the other? That.).

So I feel it is incumbent on each of us to choose -very carefully- how we live our lives.

Which rules we follow, which we bend, and which we break.

I choose to obey, and I choose to disobey.

Just as most do.

Q

 

We don't really disagree. I did not mean the military example in that way. It was only an example of structure. A way to try and express "...whether by mine own voice or by the voice of my servants, it is the same." (D&C 1:38)