Keeping the Sabbath Day Holy

[Traveler]

4 minutes ago, zil said:

Dude, it was a joke.  But technically, it is possible to have no living family (if we define family as those related by blood or marriage).

Sorry I did not get your joke.  But I will add something very personal here - I have come to an understanding that the "administering of angles" includes our family that are no longer living in mortality.  Our personal Sabbath covenant is likely linked directly to the realization of this blessing.

 

The Traveler

[zil]

8 minutes ago, Traveler said:

"administering of angles"

I hated geometry...

8 minutes ago, Traveler said:

But I will add something very personal here - I have come to an understanding that the "administering of angles" includes our family that are no longer living in mortality. 

I agree with this, and that this is why doing one's own family history (rather than strictly generic genealogy and temple work for whatever name is available) is so heavily emphasized.

9 minutes ago, Traveler said:

Our personal Sabbath covenant is likely linked directly to the realization of this blessing.

Interesting.  I always figured Sabbath observance was tied to a great many blessings, but hadn't considered this specifically.

[The Folk Prophet]

13 minutes ago, Traveler said:

I will quote my mission president – Ivan J Barrett in addressing missionaries about fulfilling one’s calling or just navigating through life – “Your best is never good enough and good enough is never your best.”

I disagree with the first part. One's best is, most definitely, good enough.

15 minutes ago, Traveler said:

What I was wondering through our discussions if you would reach the conclusion on your own (with some encouragement) that life is not really about finding the lessor of 2 evils as it is learning to be led by the spirit.

I don't think I said or even implied what life is really about.

[mordorbund]

1 hour ago, zil said:

But technically

Most of my prayers begin this way....

[Guest MormonGator]

2 hours ago, zil said:

I hated geometry...

I barely passed algebra in high school and I'm still not sure how I passed it in college-but I slept through geometry writing notes to friends/reading comics and got an A in it! Go figure! 

[zil]

27 minutes ago, MormonGator said:

I barely passed algebra in high school and I'm still not sure how I passed it in college-but I slept through geometry writing notes to friends/reading comics and got an A in it! Go figure! 

Similar experience with geometry - it consists of making up excuses for logic.  Therefore, if the test is a multiple-choice test, and you are able to apply logic, the tests are no problem.

I loved all other forms of math that I took (stopped in 11th grade with Trig and Pre-Calc) - it's like puzzles, just fun.

[Traveler]

2 hours ago, The Folk Prophet said:

I disagree with the first part. One's best is, most definitely, good enough.

I don't think I said or even implied what life is really about.

If one is willing to expand their mind and heart - their best (which is not ever good enough) can be improved with the assistance of G-d.   I seldom want to make specific reference to things sacred to me but for this – but I would also add that my patriarchal blessing that warns me not to rely on my best abilities but rather to trust G-d and seek his help

It is my witness that simply doing one’s best is often the excuse of those of the world that do not trust G-d’s assistance or look to him the make their weakness strength.  With G-d all things are possible – including making your best – much better. 

When I was serving as a missionary there were many missionaries that found reason to disagree with President Barrett.  Often, they would criticize missionaries like myself and others, that had faith in our leaders, by accusing us of being only concerned by numbers.  Our numbers were great but it was not because we were doing our best – like Ammon our numbers were great because we relied on that which was greater than any of us.  Numbers beyond baptisms and beyond my service as a missionary.

 

The Traveler

[Traveler]

19 minutes ago, zil said:

Similar experience with geometry - it consists of making up excuses for logic.  Therefore, if the test is a multiple-choice test, and you are able to apply logic, the tests are no problem.

I loved all other forms of math that I took (stopped in 11th grade with Trig and Pre-Calc) - it's like puzzles, just fun.

 

49 minutes ago, MormonGator said:

I barely passed algebra in high school and I'm still not sure how I passed it in college-but I slept through geometry writing notes to friends/reading comics and got an A in it! Go figure! 

I was taught in High School from the best math teacher in the state (most in the top 20 in the state mathematics contest) - that math is a language.  A perfect language that when the grammer is learned and applied it is impossible to lie or be lied to. 

 

The Traveler

[Guest MormonGator]

6 minutes ago, Traveler said:

 

I was taught in High School from the best math teacher in the state (most in the top 20 in the state mathematics contest) - that math is a language.  A perfect language that when the grammer is learned and applied it is impossible to lie or be lied to. 

 

The Traveler

I hate math. When I finished my last math class in college (ironically college algebra) I burned my math book. I still remember smiling as I watched that thing catch fire. 

[zil]

5 minutes ago, MormonGator said:

I hate math. When I finished my last math class in college (ironically college algebra) I burned my math book. I still remember smiling as I watched that thing catch fire. 

So, if Gator lights the 300-page Algebra book on fire at 12:00, and zil lights the 287-page Geometry book on fire at 12:05, at what time with their train arrive in Chicago?

[The Folk Prophet]

3 hours ago, Traveler said:

If one is willing to expand their mind and heart - their best (which is not ever good enough) can be improved with the assistance of G-d.   I seldom want to make specific reference to things sacred to me but for this – but I would also add that my patriarchal blessing that warns me not to rely on my best abilities but rather to trust G-d and seek his help

It is my witness that simply doing one’s best is often the excuse of those of the world that do not trust G-d’s assistance or look to him the make their weakness strength.  With G-d all things are possible – including making your best – much better. 

When I was serving as a missionary there were many missionaries that found reason to disagree with President Barrett.  Often, they would criticize missionaries like myself and others, that had faith in our leaders, by accusing us of being only concerned by numbers.  Our numbers were great but it was not because we were doing our best – like Ammon our numbers were great because we relied on that which was greater than any of us.  Numbers beyond baptisms and beyond my service as a missionary.

Well, that's your perception. Now we know.

[mordorbund]

16 hours ago, MormonGator said:

I hate math. When I finished my last math class in college (ironically college algebra) I burned my math book. I still remember smiling as I watched that thing catch fire. 

Neo-nazi white supremacist klansman.

[Guest MormonGator]

10 minutes ago, mordorbund said:

Neo-nazi white supremacist klansman.

I'm a member of Antifa, genius. 

[Traveler]

14 hours ago, The Folk Prophet said:

Well, that's your perception. Now we know.

 

It was not my perception – I was quoting a great member of our Church.  One of the premier educators.  A pioneer educator that was key in developing our seminary program, the missionary discussions and much of the church reference material and manuals.  It was him with all his accomplishments that taught he could do nothing without the L-rd supporting him.  I am only suggesting we consider wisdom he received and applied.

Pride often causes a person to think more of their own accomplishments and abilities, “I say  unto you that if you should serve him who has created you from the beginning, and is preserving you from day to day, by lending you breath, that ye may live and move and do according to your own will, and even supporting you from one moment to another – I say, if you should serve him with all your whole souls yet ye would be unprofitable servants.”  

 

The Traveler

[The Folk Prophet]

11 minutes ago, Traveler said:

It was not my perception

Then you disagree with it?

Just because an idea comes from somewhere else doesn't mean it isn't your perception. Sheesh.

[Traveler]

34 minutes ago, The Folk Prophet said:

Then you disagree with it?

Just because an idea comes from somewhere else doesn't mean it isn't your perception. Sheesh.

So you disagree?  That is just your preception - Sheesh. 

 

The Traveler

[Sunday21]

Do you think if we started a petition that temples would open on Sunday? Sigh. 

[laronius]

11 hours ago, Sunday21 said:

Do you think if we started a petition that temples would open on Sunday? Sigh. 

Who has time to add temple attendance to their Sunday schedule? With all the things that we ought to be doing on Sunday already I wouldn't think there would be time for that too.

[anatess2]

12 hours ago, Sunday21 said:

Do you think if we started a petition that temples would open on Sunday? Sigh. 

I don't think this will happen simply because the objective of sacrament meeting is to fellowship with the Saints in one's own community/ward.  Temples are not strategically located such that it is possible for all to conduct sacrament meeting and then attend/work at the temple. 

[NightSG]

On 9/25/2017 at 5:32 PM, Traveler said:

I was taught in High School from the best math teacher in the state (most in the top 20 in the state mathematics contest) - that math is a language.  A perfect language that when the grammer is learned and applied it is impossible to lie or be lied to. 

And where spelling is important too.

[mirkwood]

On ‎9‎/‎25‎/‎2017 at 4:43 PM, MormonGator said:

I hate math. When I finished my last math class in college (ironically college algebra) I burned my math book. I still remember smiling as I watched that thing catch fire. 

Ha, I can one up you on that.  I took Spanish instead of math.  No need to burn stupid math books that way.

[mirkwood]

I attend my meetings, including leadership meetings.  I spend time with my family, including FHE since I work Monday nights.  I don't spend money.  I go to work.  How's that for a Sabbath observance?

[Guest]

18 minutes ago, mirkwood said:

I attend my meetings, including leadership meetings.  I spend time with my family, including FHE since I work Monday nights.  I don't spend money.  I go to work.  How's that for a Sabbath observance?

I think you have very good Sabbath observance.  

Someone needs to be out there, protecting innocent people from criminals, even on the Sabbath.  We are very thankful for your services in doing so.

Besides, if you gotta work, you gotta work.  If you have a choice of working or not (within reason), that's a different matter, but you gotta do what you gotta do.

Edited October 2, 2017 by DoctorLemon

[Traveler]

3 hours ago, NightSG said:

And where spelling is important too.

Spelling has only been important for about the last 150 years.

 

The Traveler

[Traveler]

1 hour ago, mirkwood said:

I attend my meetings, including leadership meetings.  I spend time with my family, including FHE since I work Monday nights.  I don't spend money.  I go to work.  How's that for a Sabbath observance?

Have you considered celebrating the Sabbath on a day you do not have to work? 

 

The Traveler