Green New Deal - AOC and Ed Markey version

[anatess2]

So to those who want to just get some news without having to go digging for one...

AOC and Ed Markey came up with their bold plan for the Green New Deal.  The content is hilariously stupid and the memes are glorious but that's not why this is news.  This is news because yesterday, the plan was quietly taken down from AOC and Markey's websites.  Couple this with Pelosi forming a new Climate Change Congressional Committee seating a bunch of freshmen Democrats... minus AOC.  

That's the news.

 

Here's my opinion - Pelosi is cracking that whip hard on the radical faction of the Democratic Party.  

And there's rumor that she's going to give Trump the 5.7Billion on that wall.  Not sure yet what her catch is gonna be.  So... seems like the SOTU loosened some bricks on that Resist line.

 

 

For those who are curious about what this AOC/Markey GND plan is... it's things like:  Eliminating non-renewable energy and Nuclear Energy within 10 years and giving basic income to all Americans who are not capable or are unwilling to work.  Yes.  I'm not kidding - fossil fuels and nuclear energy gone in 10 years.  And yes, unwilling is really in there.  And that's just 2 of the many items in the plan, one as ridiculous as the next.  I'd link to the text but it got taken down and I didn't feel like sourcing it from archives.

 

Edited February 8, 2019 by anatess2

[Guest Godless]

Say what you want about Pelosi, but she knows how the game is played. Some of these freshman legislators came to Washington to play checkers, not chess. I admire their enthusiasm, but it's important to understand that DC typically doesn't suffer idealists for very long.

[anatess2]

So... I failed as a wanna-be-journalist.  "Hilariously stupid" is an opinion.  

[NeuroTypical]

There is a rather rude AM talk radio host, who refers to this lady as "The Occasional Cortex".  It is not right to poke fun at other humans in this way.  I continue to get a chuckle, and I am ashamed.  Not as ashamed as I probably should be, which makes me more ashamed.  But not ashamed enough to abstain from sharing the nickname. 

Shame on me.

Edited February 8, 2019 by NeuroTypical

[anatess2]

1 hour ago, NeuroTypical said:

There is a rather rude AM talk radio host, who refers to this lady as "The Occasional Cortex".  It is not right to poke fun at other humans in this way.  I continue to get a chuckle, and I am ashamed.  Not as ashamed as I probably should be, which makes me more ashamed.  But not ashamed enough to abstain from sharing the nickname. 

Shame on me.

Not saying her name right has now become a meme.

 

And speaking of names... this is the new trend of Democrats in Congress:

Edited February 8, 2019 by anatess2

[The Folk Prophet]

Haven't read a word of this thread yet, and still...wanted to leave this here:

 

That is all.

Continue.

[anatess2]

23 minutes ago, The Folk Prophet said:

Haven't read a word of this thread yet, and still...wanted to leave this here:

 

That is all.

Continue.

Cow farts are to be eliminated in 10 years in the new Green Deal.  I kid you not.

[The Folk Prophet]

25 minutes ago, anatess2 said:

Cow farts are to be eliminated in 10 years in the new Green Deal.  I kid you not.

Why do you think I posted that image?

[Ironhold]

The only way to eliminate cow farts is to eliminate cows. 

That means no more cow's milk or beef. 

...On top of eliminating thousands of animals. 

 

That alone would bring a coup attempt against any politician who tried to make it happen. I'm serious. Too many industries would be disrupted, too many people would be unemployed, and too many people from both sides of the spectrum would be morally outraged. Something would give then and there. 

Edited February 10, 2019 by Ironhold

[mordorbund]

1 hour ago, Ironhold said:

The only way to eliminate cow farts

Eliminate? No no nononononno. We're just talking about reducing it. Naturally a counter faction will arise who will want to....

... eliminate cow elimination cowing.

 

[Tyme]

I’m glad God has mad you the arbiter of real news for the forum anatess. You can’t help yourself no matter what you post your extreme bias shows. The stuff you post is the most partisan I’ve ever seen. It’s not truth that you post — it’s pure bias. 

Where do you come up with this “news”? It’s totally inaccurate and mischaracterizea the whole resolution. Just remember most people will believe what you post as is seen in this thread. I would recommend posting both sides to give people a fair shake.

[Tyme]

On 2/8/2019 at 8:21 AM, Godless said:

Say what you want about Pelosi, but she knows how the game is played. Some of these freshman legislators came to Washington to play checkers, not chess. I admire their enthusiasm, but it's important to understand that DC typically doesn't suffer idealists for very long.

So you recommend that freshman legislators just go to the back of line and wait their turn? If that’s done the Democratic Party will remain stagnate. This is the first time in my life I’ve seen new ideas. The important part is to have the people behind you. Most of the ideas have the majority of American support. It’s refreshing to see something new and fresh.

[Just_A_Guy]

“New and fresh”?

Theft, murder, and radical veganism are literally as old as Cain. 

[NeuroTypical]

2 hours ago, Tyme said:

This is the first time in my life I’ve seen new ideas. 

May I take a guess that you're in your 30's, and started paying attention to politics somewhere in your 20's?

[Guest MormonGator]

New ideas don't mean good ideas. Her ideas are horrible. 

Edited February 10, 2019 by MormonGator

[Tyme]

3 hours ago, MormonGator said:

New ideas don't mean good ideas. Her ideas are horrible. 

I take it you don’t believe in climate change, living wage and healthcare. Her ideas are to help the poor and middle class. This is something new because normally politicians work for the filthy rich.

[Tyme]

3 hours ago, NeuroTypical said:

May I take a guess that you're in your 30's, and started paying attention to politics somewhere in your 20's?

Tell me the new ideas that were brought forth prior to Bernie Sanders and AOC. I’m tired of the same ol’ same ol’. We need radical ideas that will restore America to the people. I’m tired of the filthy rich committing highway robbery on the people.

[Tyme]

5 hours ago, Just_A_Guy said:

“New and fresh”?

Theft, murder, and radical veganism are literally as old as Cain. 

I can venture to guess you don’t make ten million a year and/or are worth 50 million. Her tax ideas wouldn’t touch a penny more in your pocket. If you listen to right wing pundits they may have you thinking it would affect you. It won’t that’s just scare tactics by right wing punditry.

[NeuroTypical]

3 minutes ago, Tyme said:

3 hours ago, NeuroTypical said:

May I take a guess that you're in your 30's, and started paying attention to politics somewhere in your 20's?

Tell me the new ideas that were brought forth prior to Bernie Sanders and AOC. I’m tired of the same ol’ same ol’. We need radical ideas that will restore America to the people. I’m tired of the filthy rich committing highway robbery on the people.

I take it you're not going to clue me in on whether I'm guessing correctly here?  

 

 

 

[Tyme]

6 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

I take it you're not going to clue me in on whether I'm guessing correctly here?  

 

 

 

I’ve been following politics for about ten years.

[Guest MormonGator]

29 minutes ago, Tyme said:

I take it you don’t believe in climate change, living wage and healthcare. Her ideas are to help the poor and middle class. This is something new because normally politicians work for the filthy rich.

Oh, how I love this post. Like all leftists, you apparently fail to comprehend that people who disagree with you actually care about climate change, working class people, and healthcare. Thank you for falling into a cliche. 

I believe in climate change, but unlike people on the left I think it'll hundreds of years to impact the world. 
A "living wage" is a myth. Learn some basic economics. Basic, basic economics in your case. 
Her ideas would make everyone poor. Like all other leftists, you would rather the poor were poorer provided the rich were less rich. 

You made my night. 

Edited February 11, 2019 by MormonGator

[NeuroTypical]

8 minutes ago, Tyme said:

I’ve been following politics for about ten years.

Thought so.  Since you've only been paying attention for around 10 years, your statement "This is the first time in my life I’ve seen new ideas" is understandable and makes sense.

You might want to avail yourself of a bit of history.  We've seen encroaching socialism before.  There is absolutely nothing new happening with Bernie, or AOC.  I figure the more you read about the history of human effort to advance socialist elements, the more you'll come to understand that it's really not a good idea.

Edited February 11, 2019 by NeuroTypical

[Guest Godless]

5 hours ago, Tyme said:

So you recommend that freshman legislators just go to the back of line and wait their turn? If that’s done the Democratic Party will remain stagnate. This is the first time in my life I’ve seen new ideas. The important part is to have the people behind you. Most of the ideas have the majority of American support. It’s refreshing to see something new and fresh.

I would like to see junior legislators mentored by their seniors (a major reason why I'm wary of term limits). Don't get me wrong, I love all the fresh faces in Congress, and I think they'll do great things. But it's unrealistic to expect that they'll save the republic within their first six months in office. 

And believe me when I say that plenty of old guard Dems (politicians and voters alike) are going to be at least a little resistant to the new reality in Washington. I don't share your "majority of the people viewpoint". A majority of people want to pay their bills, feed their families, and download the new Ariana Grande album. The radical idealists are a vocal minority (and this is generally true on both sides). The moderate voters are what you need, and lately more and more of them are giving the finger to both major parties and going libertarian. Without them, the radical factions will keep losing power every few years in a battle of reactionary mobilization. 

To be clear, I'm generally on your side on a lot of these issues. I just want to make our side palatable to a broader audience. We're not going to do that by proposing "organic food for all" solutions (yes, the GND essentially says that).

[Tyme]

1 minute ago, MormonGator said:

Oh, how I love this post. Like all leftists, you fail to comprehend that people who disagree with you actually care about climate change, working class people, and healthcare. Thank you for falling into a cliche. 

I believe in climate change, but unlike people on the left I think it'll hundreds of years to impact the world. 
A "living wage" is a myth. Learn some basic economics. Basic, basic economics in your case. 
Her ideas would make everyone poor. Like all other leftists, you would rather the poor were poorer provided the rich were less rich. 

You made my night. 

Unlike you I don’t fit into one neat political label. I like some things both the right and left do. 

When every scientist is saying climate change is real and is having an immediate impact I tend to take note. I use to be a denier to then I started listening to the experts. Just because climate change isn’t tangible doesnt mean it’s not happening.

There are many different theories of economics. That includes some supporting leftist economic policies. Instead of just looking at basic economics maybe you need to become a little more nuanced and complex. To fully understand the basics you need to understand more complex theories. The problem is that people saying just follow the basics doesn’t end the argument it just shows that the person lacks depth of mind.

As far as the poor being poorer and the rich being less rich I say the following. There is a real problem when people can’t afford insulin and the filthy rich are buying their tenth yacht. There is a real problem when teachers have to buy their own school supplies and the rich are buying their tenth mansion. I can go on and on with examples. I don’t argue that the rich shouldn’t be rich. There still going to be filthy rich under any tax proposal Ive heard. There just needs to be less inequality and more economic justice. I’ve never been more afraid of anything than a billionaire is afraid of being a hundred millionaire.

[Guest MormonGator]

7 minutes ago, Tyme said:

Unlike you I don’t fit into one neat political label. I like some things both the right and left do. 

:: snickers:: 

I'm pro choice, pro gay marriage, anti death penalty, pro gun, anti war,  and was in the ACLU for years.  

But I do like how you think I'm a conservative because of my views on economics-so thank you.  Social conservatives think I'm a liberal. 

Edited February 11, 2019 by MormonGator