They are literally child groomers. Literally.

[Vort]

My seventeen-year-old sent me this. This is the world he is inheriting, the world he will be marrying in and rearing children in.

The agenda is no longer secret. These are unabashed child groomers, loud and proud of their openly nefarious work. I will very literally be damned if I don't do what I can to stop such evil people.

[scottyg]

Yep. They are filthy and nasty. People are not going to be "duped" by the adversary for much longer...he will be out in the open in full view, and choices about following good and evil will need to be made.

[Carborendum]

For those who  shut off the video prematurely, this is not just a rehash of the same video that was posted before.  

At the 1:04 mark, it focuses in on the individual who were part of the "gay men's chorus" and shows many are registered pedophiles.

[NeuroTypical]

Yeesh - that's an awful lot of folks associated with the SFGMC.  I wonder if the Tab@TS is regretting guest conducting them all those years ago as a show of good faith.

Last year it was LGBTQ acceptance events in high/middle/YesEvenSomeElementary schools, complete with drag performances.  That seems to be ebbing a bit now that 2023 June pride month is over, and folks have had a year to be mad at school boards.  Although I still see maybe one or three new stories from a new school a month. 

Currently the battle is over openly-indoctrinating cartoon books like "this book is gay" or "flamer" or "gender queer" or "let's talk about it", with detailed explicit cartoon depictions of the various sexual acts.  In middle and high school libraries.  

 

Edited July 29, 2023 by NeuroTypical

[NeuroTypical]

Trying to source one of the claims:

SFGMC website currently has no /roster page.  The Wayback Machine shows this page: https://web.archive.org/web/20210708135054/https://www.sfgmc.org/roster

That page lists "David Shawn Wallace" as a 2nd Tenor.

2:14 in the currently posted video, middle right:
 

 

https://www.offenderradar.com/offender-details/david-eugene-wallace-of-california-1307145

 

Same guy?  Dunno.  I'm missing the reason to believe the guy singing is named as Wallace.

 

Intellectual consistency demands that I remain skeptical. 

[scottyg]

6 hours ago, NeuroTypical said:

Yeesh - that's an awful lot of folks associated with the SFGMC.  I wonder if the Tab@TS is regretting guest conducting them all those years ago as a show of good faith.

Similar to BYU, the brethren need to keep a closer eye on how the church organizations are run. They are extremely busy, and I know micromanaging everything just wouldn't be possible. But they can no longer afford to allow others to make such foolish decisions.

These is a difference between going to the sinner, and allowing the sinner to bring sin into your home - and it is terribly confusing to the rising generation. These men are disgusting, and openly promoting the adversary. I would never willingly allow my family to associate with such filth.

[Traveler]

I would speak towards grooming children.  We learn from science that humans are an intelligent species.  In fact, humans are the most intelligent species we know of – which is not saying a lot because we do not know of any other species other than those we have discovered as inhabitants of earth.  The universe is very large, and our earth is really small in comparison.   What we know concerning intelligent species is that intelligence needed to survive is not passed on with genetics for intelligence species but rather is taught or “groomed” into each succeeding generation.

The intelligence of a newborn human child is insufficient for its survival – to survive human must be groomed with survival technics.   The profound miracle of a human child is the ability to learn and acquire behaviors through various levels of learning (or acquiring).   The primary source of learning or acquiring behavior is directly attributable to other humans that intentionally pass on what was previously learned.  Though each generation may learn new behaviors – very little is acquired by “reinventing the wheel”.

One of the theories that explains why we have not discovered any intelligence species not native to earth is because, according to the theory, intelligence species are prone to learn new behaviors that directly cause the demise of the species.   In short when a species becomes intelligent enough to acquire the behaviors that please them the most – rather than ensure the survival of that species – that intelligence feeds its individual desires over the preservation and sustainability of that species.

As near as I can determine the LGBTQ+ community pushes sexual behaviors that are self-serving and unsustainable.  I personally know individuals that are defined by LGBTQ+ sexual behaviors that just want to live with the person or persons they desire to have a sexual relationship with.  They are not trying to convert anyone else to anything else.  I do not think these individuals are much of a threat to anyone or the future of mankind.  But I have also encountered other LGBTQ+ individuals (as well as individuals within the heterosexual community) that have no more concern than their own pleasures.  All are a threat to the stability and sustainability of the human race.

 

The Traveler

[NeuroTypical]

6 hours ago, Traveler said:

I would speak towards grooming children.

So, your post is mostly fine, but you're misusing the word here.

When folks talk about grooming children, they're referring to the processes by which a would-be abuser goes through to find and prepare minors upon which they can predate.   The term "grooming" used in such a manner has been around for a while, but gained widespread use in 2011 when folks learned how Penn State University assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky went about gaining the trust of 52 young boys. 

The grooming model has 5 stages: 
1) victim selection
2) gaining access and isolating a child
3) trust development
4) desensitization to sexual content and physical contact
5) maintenance following the abuse

This isn't about passing along intelligence or previously known things, except to the extent that a groomer was himself groomed into becoming a victim, and is repeating the cycle.  It's not related to the quest for permissive consensual sexual things.  It's about doing something so horrible to some of God's most vulnerable children, that the Prince of Peace, Christ Himself, taught that it would be better if you could catch a groomer early and kill them by drowning them.

Let's not adopt a radical left-wing tactic of changing the definitions of words when it suits our purposes.  It cheapens the actual meaning of the word.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33006502/

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/protecting-children-from-sexual-abuse/202010/how-to-recognize-the-sexual-grooming-of-a-minor

 

 

[LDSGator]

14 hours ago, NeuroTypical said:

Let's not adopt a radical left-wing tactic of changing the definitions of words when it suits our purposes.  It cheapens the actual meaning of the word.

 

Very noble of you, but the horse already left the barn. 
 

The word is thrown around so much that some of us don’t even want to be around children at all because we don’t want the headache. Why volunteer for nursery at church if this is what you’ll deal with?  Why umpire at little league? Who wants to be falsely accused of “grooming”? Even the accusation is devastating, so a lot of us just keep the door closed.
 

The flip side is that the right can longer complain about the lack of volunteers at these events, or if people turn down Boy Scout/nursery callings, etc. They wanted this, they got it. 

Edited July 31, 2023 by LDSGator

[Vort]

14 hours ago, NeuroTypical said:

It's about doing something so horrible to some of God's most vulnerable children, that the Prince of Peace, Christ Himself, taught that it would be better if you could catch a groomer early and kill them by drowning them.

That's not actually what Christ taught. "These little ones" referred to the Saints, not to little children.

[NeuroTypical]

26 minutes ago, Vort said:

That's not actually what Christ taught. "These little ones" referred to the Saints, not to little children.

I've heard that, but I never figured out why folks think it.  How come folks think it?

[Vort]

4 hours ago, NeuroTypical said:

I've heard that, but I never figured out why folks think it.  How come folks think it?

Because that's the narrative. Read Matthew 18.

Christ sets a child in the midst of the disciples as a model for how they are to be: "Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven. And whoso shall receive one such little child in my  name receiveth me." The "one such little child" Christ spoke of was not the little child being used as a model of innocence, but "one such little child"—that is, a Saint who had followed the Savior's instruction to "humble himself as this little child."

This identification clearly carries over into the next verse: "But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea."

Edited July 31, 2023 by Vort

[Vort]

2 hours ago, Vort said:

Because that's the narrative. Read Matthew 18.

That came across as very dismissive. My apologies. I didn't mean it to be.

[NeuroTypical]

It's all good.  "Go read your scriptures" is never not good advice to me.  

[Vort]

Delenda est Carthago!

Edited July 31, 2023 by Vort
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[NeuroTypical]

Cleaveland:

 

 

 

[Traveler]

On 7/30/2023 at 9:20 PM, NeuroTypical said:

So, your post is mostly fine, but you're misusing the word here.

When folks talk about grooming children, they're referring to the processes by which a would-be abuser goes through to find and prepare minors upon which they can predate.   The term "grooming" used in such a manner has been around for a while, but gained widespread use in 2011 when folks learned how Penn State University assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky went about gaining the trust of 52 young boys. 

The grooming model has 5 stages: 
1) victim selection
2) gaining access and isolating a child
3) trust development
4) desensitization to sexual content and physical contact
5) maintenance following the abuse

This isn't about passing along intelligence or previously known things, except to the extent that a groomer was himself groomed into becoming a victim, and is repeating the cycle.  It's not related to the quest for permissive consensual sexual things.  It's about doing something so horrible to some of God's most vulnerable children, that the Prince of Peace, Christ Himself, taught that it would be better if you could catch a groomer early and kill them by drowning them.

Let's not adopt a radical left-wing tactic of changing the definitions of words when it suits our purposes.  It cheapens the actual meaning of the word.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33006502/

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/protecting-children-from-sexual-abuse/202010/how-to-recognize-the-sexual-grooming-of-a-minor

 

 

The etymology of the term grooming initially had to do with preparations of the appearances of animals.  This was altered to humans as someone that took care of their appearance.  Eventually this also come to mean the preparing of individuals for positions.  As with grooming someone for political or military office.  Checking the internet there has been developed; a specific reference of grooming children as a reference for preparing a child for sexual abuse.   I regret that grooming has come to such a negative connotation.

There is a great need in human society for the mentoring of children.  I see mentoring and grooming as synonyms.  The single most common denominator of the world’s high achievers (genius) is that they were mentored starting at a young age.  We find this in sports, music, science (math), art, politics as well as a broad range of disciplines.   Studies, indicate that the attitudes of parents towards even their infant children have far reaching effects on individuals that are taught and conditioned for accomplishments or the opposit.   There is also a link between adults that are abusive to a childhood of receiving similar abuse.

There are lots of scientific studies concerning how humans acquire cognitive behaviors (cognitive meaning behaviors to which an individual must be aware in order to respond).   We can reference Pavlov, Skinner and even the notorious Joseph Goebbels.  Cognitive behaviors are learned or acquired – this is the very foundation of brain washing.

 

There is another problem that I believe is taking place.  I am not an expert, but I think there is something much more concerning than what is currently defined as sexual child grooming – which appears to me as something an adult individual is doing to target children for sexual abuse.  I believe something far more insidious is going on.  I have a granddaughter that is considered as someone transitioning to be identified as a male.  Because I have a close relationship with young girl (15) I sat down with her and had a deep and pointed discussion.   What I believe I discovered gives me great concern.

As many adolescents this young girl was experiencing difficult and awkward challenges.  She felt rejected by teachers and other students at school because of academic problems.  She felt isolated, even bullied.   She was advised by a number of her peers that if she claimed to transition things would be a lot easier.  This she did and found immediately that bulling stopped, and teachers took extra care to help and not offend her – especially when she requested help with a subject.   In essence she was groomed – not by and individual but by a system.  It is unfortunate that she does not have more support.  Her parents and siblings have quit going to church because they feel the church mistreats LGBTQ+ individuals (mostly same sex attraction individuals).  There a more to this story but I will stop here with the understanding that children that are not guided and mentored (groomed) to live chaste lives and to live the Word of Wisdom (without drugs) – have little chance of reaching adulthood in our current society without serious spiritual and even physical handicaps – rendering them unable to behave without profound social behavior issute (failures?).

 

The Traveler

[EH12NG]

Don't like the look in their eyes. 

As has been stated elsewhere, the cat is truly out the bag and society seems hellbent on returning to the era of Roman baths. Perverted little cretins. 

[Grunt]

15 hours ago, Traveler said:

 

As many adolescents this young girl was experiencing difficult and awkward challenges.  She felt rejected by teachers and other students at school because of academic problems.  She felt isolated, even bullied.   She was advised by a number of her peers that if she claimed to transition things would be a lot easier.  This she did and found immediately that bulling stopped, and teachers took extra care to help and not offend her – especially when she requested help with a subject.   In essence she was groomed – not by and individual but by a system. 

This is an issue I've witnessed in our school system.  First, the system normalizes this behavior.  Second, the system puts this behavior on a pedestal.  You don't need to be the HS jock to be popular anymore.  

Edited August 2, 2023 by Grunt

[Carborendum]

16 hours ago, Traveler said:

As many adolescents this young girl was experiencing difficult and awkward challenges.  She felt rejected by teachers and other students at school because of academic problems.  She felt isolated, even bullied.   She was advised by a number of her peers that if she claimed to transition things would be a lot easier.  This she did and found immediately that bulling stopped, and teachers took extra care to help and not offend her – especially when she requested help with a subject.   In essence she was groomed – not by and individual but by a system.  It is unfortunate that she does not have more support.  Her parents and siblings have quit going to church because they feel the church mistreats LGBTQ+ individuals (mostly same sex attraction individuals).  There a more to this story but I will stop here with the understanding that children that are not guided and mentored (groomed) to live chaste lives and to live the Word of Wisdom (without drugs) – have little chance of reaching adulthood in our current society without serious spiritual and even physical handicaps – rendering them unable to behave without profound social behavior issute (failures?).

People have said that this was simply a matter of letting a child develop an immune system -- by exposure.  They said it was like a butterfly coming out of a cocoon.  

The truth is that the system is so rigged that it is more like letting a child develop an immune system by having them sit in a cesspool for 8 hrs/day.  It is like a butterfly coming out of a cocoon that is made of a 3" thick layer of concrete.

Get your kids out of public schools.

[Traveler]

4 hours ago, EH12NG said:

Don't like the look in their eyes. 

As has been stated elsewhere, the cat is truly out the bag and society seems hellbent on returning to the era of Roman baths. Perverted little cretins. 

Currently, one of the fastest areas of research involves Chaos theory and mathematical fractals.   This is at the forefront of the claims concerning global warming and climate change.  In modeling, there are concerns, that with continued small changes in a single parameter of complex systems that such system can be harmfully disrupted.  This is why a small, sustained increase in temperatures (1% to 2%) is alarming and believed will eventually cause a mass extinction period.   That is if the change is sustained long enough. 

Darwin introduced the concept of “survival of the fittest”.   This is best expressed in the ability of a species or dominate characteristic within a species to pass on their genetic material to a next generation.  Studies have indicated that even a 2% change in birth rates of a species (or a characteristic with a species) over a sustained period of time will remove that species or feature from the gene pool.

I am of an age or point in life where my wife and I will no longer contribute to the gene pool.  I doubt any of our children will as well – such things are left to our grandchildren.   However, within my lifetime it is obvious that childbearing couples are continuing a trend in great excess of 5% fewer children.  In short, our social structure as well as characteristics within our human species is at a much greater risk than the totality of global warming and climate change.

It appears to me that our society is evolving into a society that for the most part rejects both religion and science – thinking that it can conger up what ever it wishes to identify as truth.

 

The Traveler

[LDSGator]

On 8/2/2023 at 12:21 PM, Traveler said:

appears to me that our society is evolving into a society that for the most part rejects both religion and science

Our society is sort of bipolar when it comes to science. When we agree with science, then we shout it from the rooftops. When science disagrees with us, we make up conspiracies or just ignore it. 
 

Science is a harsh mistress who doesn’t want you to spend the weekend with your family. Like the cool kids say, it doesn’t care about your feelings. 

Edited August 4, 2023 by LDSGator

[Traveler]

4 hours ago, LDSGator said:

Our society is sort of bipolar when it comes to science. When we agree with science, then we shout it from the rooftops. When science disagrees with us, we make up conspiracies or just ignore it. 
 

Science is a harsh mistress who doesn’t want you to spend the weekend with your family. Like the cool kids say, it doesn’t care about your feelings. 

For me, I find science and religion to be like two peas from the same mathematical kind of pod.  The slightest error of any kind gives wrong results.   Or like President Uchtdorf’s example of navigating an airplane – a one degree error and the plane ends up in the wrong place.  The farther the greater the error.

We all have the same right to the correct answer – but we must follow each step exactly and correctly.  And be careful because everyone that makes the same mistake will end up with the same wrong result.  And everyone that follows each step correctly will end up with exactly the same correct result.

This is why I believe that the steps (including experimentation) one takes is more important than what we think is the answer.  If a person does not know how to define steps on their own, including how to define an applicable experiment – it is likely that their answer is flawed.

 

The Traveler

[LDSGator]

46 minutes ago, Traveler said:

Or like President Uchtdorf’s example of navigating an airplane – a one degree error and the plane ends up in the wrong place.  The farther the greater the error.

Agree fully bro. That’s one of my favorite talks of his. 

[JohnsonJones]

On 7/31/2023 at 12:39 PM, Vort said:

Because that's the narrative. Read Matthew 18.

Christ sets a child in the midst of the disciples as a model for how they are to be: "Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven. And whoso shall receive one such little child in my  name receiveth me." The "one such little child" Christ spoke of was not the little child being used as a model of innocence, but "one such little child"—that is, a Saint who had followed the Savior's instruction to "humble himself as this little child."

This identification clearly carries over into the next verse: "But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea."

 

First off, before addressing your statement...the OP video is frightening.  That is a horrible threat they sing...and pointing out other items later in the video just makes the threat even worse.  I see it already occurring with your young people at Universities.

ON the above statement...why can't it be both.  Just as David was a type and a Shadow, but also a real person...why couldn't it also be signifying both?

Edited August 17, 2023 by JohnsonJones