askandanswer Posted August 19, 2023 Report Share Posted August 19, 2023 4 Therefore I do not write those things which transpired from the adays of Adam until that time; but they are had upon the plates; and whoso findeth them, the same will have power that he may get the full account. This verse is at the start of Moroni’s abridgment of the Jaredite record. In this verse, Moroni is explaining why he chooses to not give a full account of the Jaredite record. Part of his reason is his believe that some of the content of the Jaredite plates is had among the Jews, so presumably he doesn’t feel the need to repeat that information in his abridgement. And then he makes the above statement which I take to mean that Moroni is saying that whoso ever will find the plates will have power to get the full account. My understanding is that Joseph Smith found the plates where Moroni told him they would be, but that a part of them was sealed and he had no power to translate the sealed portion. Does that mean that what Moroni said in verse 4 was not accurate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carborendum Posted August 19, 2023 Report Share Posted August 19, 2023 1 hour ago, askandanswer said: My understanding is that Joseph Smith found the plates where Moroni told him they would be Can you give a reference for that? I don't know of any account that says that Joseph ever had possession of the 24 plates. zil2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikbone Posted August 19, 2023 Report Share Posted August 19, 2023 (edited) I don’t think Joseph Smith had access to the sealed 2/3 portion. I think he had the same experience as the Brother of Jared as well as many other great prophets. - A vision of the history of this Earth and its inhabitants. Joseph didn’t need to read the book. He saw the movie. Ether 4:13-15 2 Ne 4:25 Edited August 19, 2023 by mikbone Traveler 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laronius Posted August 19, 2023 Report Share Posted August 19, 2023 If Moroni did not translate that portion of the Jaredite record then it wouldn't be part of the gold plates Joseph had, sealed or unsealed. askandanswer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
askandanswer Posted August 19, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Carborendum said: Can you give a reference for that? I don't know of any account that says that Joseph ever had possession of the 24 plates. ummm, I think Moroni actually forgot to mention that bit. Actually, I've made an assumption for which there is no foundation. I'd assumed that the Jaredite plates were part of, or contained within, the gold plates, but I now understand that that is not the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnsonJones Posted August 19, 2023 Report Share Posted August 19, 2023 Quote 3 And as I suppose that the afirst part of this record, which speaks concerning the creation of the world, and also of Adam, and an account from that time even to the great btower, and whatsoever things transpired among the children of men until that time, is had among the Jews— 4 Therefore I do not write those things which transpired from the adays of Adam until that time; but they are had upon the plates; and whoso findeth them, the same will have power that he may get the full account. It's found in the Bible. You can also read the Bible and find the account. With the Spirit and Revelation it is possible that more could be revealed or has been revealed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CV75 Posted August 19, 2023 Report Share Posted August 19, 2023 4 hours ago, askandanswer said: 4 Therefore I do not write those things which transpired from the adays of Adam until that time; but they are had upon the plates; and whoso findeth them, the same will have power that he may get the full account. This verse is at the start of Moroni’s abridgment of the Jaredite record. In this verse, Moroni is explaining why he chooses to not give a full account of the Jaredite record. Part of his reason is his believe that some of the content of the Jaredite plates is had among the Jews, so presumably he doesn’t feel the need to repeat that information in his abridgement. And then he makes the above statement which I take to mean that Moroni is saying that whoso ever will find the plates will have power to get the full account. My understanding is that Joseph Smith found the plates where Moroni told him they would be, but that a part of them was sealed and he had no power to translate the sealed portion. Does that mean that what Moroni said in verse 4 was not accurate? Mosiah 28 describes how King Mosiah, a seer, translated and wrote them down for his people, and then gave all the plates (brass, gold, large and small) and his other records to Alma for safekeeping. Most if not all of these materials ended up in Mormon and Moroni's hands, so when Moroni writes this verse 4, he may well have had Mosiah's translation in his possession as well as the 24 plates. However, Jospeh Smith may or may not have found the 24 plates apart from the plates he received from Moroni in 1827 and translated himself (they we not included in that transaction), but if he did, he certainly had power "that he may get the full account" -- "may" being the operative modal verb, indicating the uncertain possibility of whether Jospeh did or didn't decide to peek and get the full account. askandanswer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentOne Posted August 25, 2023 Report Share Posted August 25, 2023 Maybe the full account of that period was included in the book of Lehi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikbone Posted August 25, 2023 Report Share Posted August 25, 2023 So many records… I need a metal detector. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vort Posted August 25, 2023 Report Share Posted August 25, 2023 Hmmmm... A. Putting together a jigsaw puzzle B. Playing with Matchbox cars C. Sorting his collection of igneous rocks Carborendum and zil2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zil2 Posted August 25, 2023 Report Share Posted August 25, 2023 4 minutes ago, Vort said: Hmmmm... A. Putting together a jigsaw puzzle B. Playing with Matchbox cars C. Sorting his collection of igneous rocks D. Playing with carved dinosaur figures. Vort and Carborendum 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carborendum Posted August 25, 2023 Report Share Posted August 25, 2023 He was being raised by a general. E. Playing with a toy army. Vort and zil2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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