Earth Hour

[LDSgirl]

Tomorrow (March 29th) several major cities from around the world will turn off the lights on some of their historical landmarks to increase public awareness of gobal warming and the need for corrective action!

'Earth Hour' to plunge millions into darkness (AFP) : Yahoo! Green

[kona0197]

Corrective action will never happen. To many people have to many problems so therefore we can't come together to fight GW.

By the way if GW is happening why did Oregon have one of it's coldest winters in a long while?

[sgallan]

By the way if GW is happening why did Oregon have one of it's coldest winters in a long while?

I am not taking a position on the debate but the easy answer to this question is; you are talking about a Microenvironment. If there is global warming then global is the key word, and that would be talking about a Macroenvironment. It is sort of like if somebody loses their job in a booming economy.... well he/she could say; "if the economy is booming how come I just got laid off?"

[NeuroTypical]

I'll take a position on the debate: Global climate change has been happening ever since Earth has had a climate. It's probable that human activities impact this natural phenomenon to one extent or another, but we can't be sure how much. In the last few years, I've been edified to see some changes in the power structure of the environmental movement. The militant socialists have lost some power and the real and smart environmentalists have succeeded to an extent in getting global corporations to take an occasional march to the beat of their drum.

LM

[lilered]

I have a question concerning Global Warming - if one believes in mans destruction of the earth will result if nothing is done to halt Global Warming! then how will this affect the the events leading up to and the Millennium. Are both Global Warming and the Millennium possible.

[skalenfehl]

I'm neutral on the global warming topic, but I'm sure that nothing will end the world except Christ's coming. Read my signature.

[WillowTheWhisp]

Maybe Global warming is one of the signs of the end times along with earthquakes, floods and famines. Incidentally our climate here in England will get colder due to global warming because it will affect the gulf stream which brings warmer waters to our shores and gives is a warmer climate than we would otherwise have for our lattitude. Lose the gulf stream with a melting of the ice caps due to global warming and we lose our warmer climate.

I tend to agree that cliamte changes will happen anyway regardless of what we do but I also think we have a responsibility to care for the earth and respect our environment.

[Iggy]

Corrective action will never happen. To many people have to many problems so therefore we can't come together to fight GW.

By the way if GW is happening why did Oregon have one of it's coldest winters in a long while?

All areas are experiencing weather changes, it is cycling round. In 1979 the Oregon coast had snow. Lasted for nearly three weeks. Then again it snowed in 1989 or 90. Not just a flurry or a day, lasted about a week. Froze things up real good. All of the "old timers" said the last snow that lasted weeks was about 30 or so years before.

Then the next couple of winters were wet, wet, and wetter.

Read about Lewis and Clark and when they arrived on the Oregon coast. It was wet, wet and wetter, and then there was snow.

All areas are cycling, and they have been doing it since time began!

When the weather drastically changes- say it snows 6 months out of the year, every year for a decade- THEN you can cry The Sky Is Falling! Until then, it is just nature doing what it has always done.

Man does need to learn to clean up after himself. In this we need to improve a lot. That is what should set us apart from animals - that we keep our "nests", homes clean and not befouled.

[Elgama]

is it just me that thinks whether or not Global Warming is occuring we should be doing our best to not be wasteful and to take care of the planet because Heavenly Father created it for us. The Earth we have is beautiful and its very sad to see ways we waste things and don't do our best to reduce pollution.

I personally see the effects of global warming I think the further North you are the more obvious - whether its happening because it would have happened anyway, it is occuring and that is why we get the freak weather.. 30 years ago where I live snow would have been banked up along the sides of the road from January through to April/May time the past few years we have had a few days worth - this year there has been one day in my village when snow has laid on the ground. As a result the rivers are very low and don't rise naturally, because the permafrost has gone when it rains we get serious flooding every few years rather than the every 30-50 years it used to be. We are getting colder summers and warmer winters.

-Charley

[skalenfehl]

is it just me that thinks whether or not Global Warming is occuring we should be doing our best to not be wasteful and to take care of the planet because Heavenly Father created it for us. The Earth we have is beautiful and its very sad to see ways we waste things and don't do our best to reduce pollution.

I agree. I was taught since the early days as a Cub Scout not to litter, to be a good conservation minded person, etc. On the flip-side, I have a big diesel truck that pulls my company trailer and equipment. If there were alternate fuel sources available to everyone, I'd be there in a heartbeat.

[sixpacktr]

GW is a hoax. Many many years ago (early 80s) I worked at a place as a temp, and they had the weatherman come in and talk about the weather (why, I don't know, but they did). At that time he talked of weather cycles and that the 30s had been hot, very, very hot, but that things then cooled down. Like they always do.

Read up on the Maunder Minimum. Funny how the drive by's don't talk of that, even though more and more scientists are accepting that perhaps we are seeing the beginning of another 100 or so years of BELOW ave temps...

But that will be my Jeep's fault too...

[sgallan]

sixpacktr -

It may exist or it may not..... but I was just wondering when you became the ultimate authority on the subject, where you got your degrees in environmental science, or meterology, etc.... that gives you the expertise to make such a definitive and assured statement? I only ask because an awful lot of cities, states, and nations are passing a lot of laws, and spending a lot of money on the issue who are equally assured it is real. I figure your expertise in this field must be akin to Hawkings expertise in the field of physics.

[Elgama]

I agree. I was taught since the early days as a Cub Scout not to litter, to be a good conservation minded person, etc. On the flip-side, I have a big diesel truck that pulls my company trailer and equipment. If there were alternate fuel sources available to everyone, I'd be there in a heartbeat.

LOL until July can afford to be smug on this one we are using mostly pedal and foot power to get about but we are saving up for a bigger car so after that my smugness will have to go - but I want more kids, having said that if we move instead then we will try and move withing walking distance of church and the train station for husbands work then just hire a car every so often.

-Charley

[skalenfehl]

My problem is I drive around a large metropolitan area for work and can easily average 150 miles a day or more. Ugh...

[Elgama]

My problem is I drive around a large metropolitan area for work and can easily average 150 miles a day or more. Ugh...

sometimes it has to be done - and its not necessarily wrong, the issue I have is with people who can't walk a couple of blocks for a pint of milk. There is no reason why a healthy human being can't walk 2 miles in half an hour it doesn't take much out your day, I broke off a date 20 minutes into it when he suggested we went to a pizza place at the other end of the high street - I went to go down the alley way to walk down the street he headed for the carpark lol

Its something I am passionate have recently joined a recycling group its lots of fun weighing our rubbish and working out how to reduce, reuse and recycle and discovered I was further on with it than I thought. My ideal would be to build or renovate a house off grid and raise my own food but not sure how achievable for us it will be yet.

-Charley

[WANDERER]

If you do go to the global warming forums you can see many arguments for and against. As a scientific debate it's interesting, but when it comes down to practicalities.... It's good sense to reduce energy useage and to use varied energy sources.

Coming out of a very long drought (hopefully, not quite there yet) I can see that it's intensely important to harmonise with the environment. I'd like to go off the grid and raise my own food..have tried suburban food production (this might be possible when they ban outdoor pesticides and lawn chemicals). Here's to a better future.

[Heavenguard]

The Earth has seen carbon levels worse than what we have today. The problem is that humanity is drastically speeding up to decades a process that would otherwise take nature hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands (etc) of years. Nature will (if left alone) eventually cycle through highs and lows, but our presence (and industry) is making the cycle very unnatural.

[Moksha]

I think the glaciers and ice packs have been duped into melting, in support of this "so called" warming, by those with liberal educations.

[kona0197]

I'm neutral on the global warming topic, but I'm sure that nothing will end the world except Christ's coming. Read my signature.

I can't concentrate enough to read your signature as I am displeased by your avatar...

[sgallan]

I think the glaciers and ice packs have been duped into melting, in support of this "so called" warming, by those with liberal educations.

You didn't get the memo? It is a secret army of liberals with blow torches. Al Gore set up it. They had a big success recently in Anarctica.

[Iggy]

sixpacktr -

It may exist or it may not..... but I was just wondering when you became the ultimate authority on the subject, where you got your degrees in environmental science, or meteorology, etc.... that gives you the expertise to make such a definitive and assured statement? I only ask because an awful lot of cities, states, and nations are passing a lot of laws, and spending a lot of money on the issue who are equally assured it is real. I figure your expertise in this field must be akin to Hawkings expertise in the field of physics.

Actually one doesn't need to be an ultimate authority or have degrees. One just needs to be capable of comprehending the written word, taking the brains God gave you and figuring it all out for oneself.

Just because a lot of states, cities and nations are passing laws does not make GW a fact.

I don't think I have ever seen where Six has said that We as human beings should not take responsibility and clean up after ourselves. That is what those laws really are about- cleaning up after ourselves. To stop dumping our bodily wastes into the oceans and waterways, to find cleaner and earth friendly ways of doing things, creating things, etc. Of being frugal with earths bounty.

I agree that GW is one of the biggest hoaxes that has been dumped on people. Believe it if you wish, but I for one think you all are a bunch of Chicken Little's.

Scott, I do not have any degrees, nor am I an authority on it- but I am an intelligent, reasoning, thinking child of God. I use the common sense that my Father gave me. I also clean up after myself. I am frugal with the bounty of the earth that God provided for me. In being frugal with His bounty, I show my love and gratitude to Him.

[sgallan]

So are you suggesting you are smarter than all of those people who also can read the various evidences and think there 'is' global warming?

[Iggy]

So are you suggesting you are smarter than all of those people who also can read the various evidences and think there 'is' global warming?

I never said I was smarter, I said that it is not necessary to be a degreed person to be able to reason and think,and come up with a different conclusion.

In my opinion I think all of those who do believe in GW being caused by humans are pretty much acting like Chicken Little's- The sky is falling, the sky is falling.

At the end of the day we shall all see whether GW is caused by humans or not.

[sgallan]

Here is the difference.... he categorically said that global warming was a "hoax". It is one thing to have an opinion, but it is quite another to state in absolute certainty that you "know" something is a "hoax". If you state without any doubt about a subject with an enormous amount of scientific complexities, then I suspect one might need at least some credentials.

[BenRaines]

I am old enough to remember the coming Ice Age of the late 1960s and early 1970s. I see it as science half empty or half full. There are scientists on both sides of the argument.

If there is an item that bothers me is how hypocritical those who rally on the side of global warming are in their practices. "Do as I say not as I do".

I remember Tom Cruise and his rally cry against Global Warming while filming the movie Days of Thunder, as he drove around a huge, powerful, fossil fuel burning race car.

Won't even go in to Al Gore's conservation practices. Buying energy credits.

Ben Raines