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JS Matthew 1:48 Therefore be ye also ready, for in such an hour as ye think not, the Son of Man cometh. We know that if we are wise and understand the scriptures we can know the season in which Christ will return but not the specific day or hour. This verse seems to imply that even if we know the season we may still be surprised when it actually happens. It makes me wonder what the conditions will be like so as to make His coming unexpected. I was watching a YouTube video yesterday where the guy was performing some pretty serious prophetic gymnastics to make this General Conference as a possible time of His coming. While I gave him a really low overall score I did award him some difficulty points. 😃 But it did make me wonder about two different possibilities for an unexpected Second Coming. The first is that some signs are fulfilled without us fully realizing it (which this guy was relying heavily upon). The second is that certain events happen so quickly that it just catches us off guard how quickly things transpire. This second theory would seem to support the idea of a hastening and the times being cut short. While I don't think things will happen so quickly as to make this General Conference a viable candidate it does make me wonder just how quickly it could take place.

My guy can beat up your guy! My buddy put this together, with 2nd week of December 2034 ad the clear and obvious time.

Hillary and Biden are viewed by leftists the same way Romney and Susan Collins are viewed by conservatives. In fact, I think the extremes of the party hate “moderates” in their own party more than they hate the opposing side!

I noticed this for the first time when Hilary was running. The amount of hate directed at her from the hard left surprised the heck out of me. But it made sense after a little thought. 15+ years ago, Democrats were the people-friendly anti-corporatists, and Republicans were the pro-business fans of deregulation. By the time Hilary was on the ticket, we all knew the Dems were all making millions with insider stock trades, in bed with big business and lobbyists. They were livid that Hil and Trump were basically both (in their minds) corrupt capitalists bankrolled by big business. In fact, it was from a hard leftie that I got this pic: Agreed. They're all about supporting the 2020-21 BLM civil unrest, but they do it by wearing blinders and refusing to acknowledge the lawlessness/rioting/looting/destruction/violence. The average democrat or liberal has zero interest in actually moving onto the street and trying to do something themselves. They're all about having government do the things with other people's money. As for J6, I'm grateful they found, arrested, tried, convicted, and sentenced so many. 98% of what happened that day was just fine, but holy crap that 2% was a doozie.

Yeah, I see it totally differently. If Biden loses left wingers will take it as a reason to strike back-only because Trumpers started it and did it first. So even if they don’t like Biden-and you are right, they don’t, the hard left (Antifa, BLM) loves to riot and destroy stuff so they’ll align with Biden simply because the enemy of their enemy is a friend. And, they’ll look for any reason to do what the J6th crowd did. Any reason. Including Biden losing. They’ll rally around him. I can’t wait to watch the j6 crowd talk about respecting law and order, the constitution, democracy, etc. It’s going to be delicious.

I strongly disagree. J6 was the act of right-wing extremists. Left wing extremists have no love for Biden. Liberal Dems will weep if Biden loses, but there won't be an insurrection. Liberals don't have the stomach for that. Investigations, perhaps, but nothing outside the official bureaucratic channels.

That's not saying much. "My guy" presents a pretty low bar for comparison.

Ironically, Biden (left of the Reagan Republicans, but still probably one of the more moderate Democrats today) has that same problem. We see him called a far left liberal by one side, and yet his own people are unhappy with him due to him being far too conservative for them. Haley is probably right on some things. I don't know who would win today between Trump and Biden, but I think Haley would have a far better chance to win over independents if she actually got the nomination.

Same. I get a giddy little buzz being called a “shill for the right” by liberals and an “urban elitist” or “sheer evil” by conservatives. Seriously, I absolutely love it.

If I didn’t have kids, I might. But I think it’s going to be increasingly difficult for LDS parents who don’t want their schoolchildren turned into a captive audience for sexual proselytizing by the political allies of the party in power there, to retain legal custody of their kids.

* @Vort (aka Julian Bashir) must be referring to a hyperspace manifold.