Vort

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    Vort reacted to Carborendum in CHAZ renamed again—the Seattle Police-free Autonomous Zone   
    Seattle's mayor finally decided that SPAZ was just not healthy...  for her.  So, she has given the order for police to dismantle it.
    She was quoted as saying;
    I guess the families and children who were at risk inside the Zone were "acceptable losses."  It was only when she became a target that it was unacceptable.
    All this stuff is only serving to move more people to the right.
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    Vort reacted to Carborendum in Temples And Protection   
    Yes, this occurred to me as well.  But you are missing the point of Elder Bednar's address.  He's talking about "the next level". 
    It is a fine thing that others are blessed because of "going through a session."  But the true blessings and protection of the temple come from actual "worship" while in the temple.
    "Taking upon us the name of Christ" is achieved in the temple.  If going through for our own endowments, can we really say that we've made a covenant if we're only half paying attention?  When we're performing a proxy ordinance, we are also renewing our covenants we made when we went the first time through.  Can we say we're renewing a covenant if we're half asleep?
    Can we have a credible claim on the Divine protections of the Temple if we don't continually renew our covenants in the Temple and continually renew the name of Christ on our souls?
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    Vort got a reaction from Midwest LDS in Elsewhere in the World   
    I believe (don't quote me) that the US government deals with multiple citizenships by simply not caring in most cases whether someone holds a passport from another nation. In effect, the US government recognizes the US citizenship of its passport-holders but does not recognize other citizenships for those people in any official way. So the concept of "dual citizen" seems not really to exist in the US government, at least not when applied to American citizens.
    Here is a government site that seems both to bolster and to call into question this opinion:
    U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one nationality or another. A U.S. citizen may naturalize in a foreign state without any risk to his or her U.S. citizenship. However, persons who acquire a foreign nationality after age 18 by applying for it may relinquish their U.S. nationality if they wish to do so. In order to relinquish U.S. nationality by virtue of naturalization as a citizen of a foreign state, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign nationality voluntarily and with the intention to relinquish U.S. nationality. Intent may be shown by the person’s statements and conduct.
    Dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country. They are required to obey the laws of both countries, and either country has the right to enforce its laws. It is important to note the problems attendant to dual nationality. Claims of other countries upon U.S. dual-nationals often place them in situations where their obligations to one country are in conflict with the laws of the other. In addition, their dual nationality may hamper efforts of the U.S. Government to provide consular protection to them when they are abroad, especially when they are in the country of their second nationality.
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    Vort reacted to Still_Small_Voice in CHAZ renamed again—the Seattle Police-free Autonomous Zone   
    I liked what someone said about these autonomous zones.  They said it was like someone moving into their parents garage and saying they were their own nation while demanding their Mom give them cooked meals, do their dirty laundry and also having their parents keep paying the home mortgage, water and power bills.
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    Vort got a reaction from dprh in CHAZ renamed again—the Seattle Police-free Autonomous Zone   
    If they haven't already renamed it so, they should.
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    Vort reacted to anatess2 in CHAZ renamed again—the Seattle Police-free Autonomous Zone   
    Yep.  Bikers for Trump is the name of the organization.  They planned on celebrating July 4th at Capitol Hill.  I haven't heard that the event is cancelled.  Hell's Angels was going to join too.
    Anyway, CHAZ came down because they realized they need a "white person who has a background in security"... check the vid below.  It's hilarious.
     
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    Vort reacted to prisonchaplain in LDS Church donates to Utah Pride Center   
    For members I suppose the question is what benefit Heavenly Father has in mind by directing the prophets to take this course of action. As an outsider, I suppose I am non-plussed by it. Some "allies" are probably thrilled, and some Fundamentalists are probably alarmed, and feel vindicated in their antagonism. Personally, my greatest concern is not with any secular pride center, but with those Christians who are attempting to make their churches and denominations "inclusive." https://juicyecumenism.com/2020/02/14/dan-matlock/
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    Vort reacted to prisonchaplain in Book of Mormon white supremacy??   
    Note just to @MormonGator: You do realize that @Vort can take this post and cut and paste to any future disagreements you might have, right???
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    Vort reacted to scottyg in Utahns! With COVID numbers rising, would you cancel a reunion?   
    Really? Only people in Utah have bad attitudes about this? Worse than anywhere else? Church leaders are absolutely careless and disregard everything related to the general consensus? Really? I mean, it's not like the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve have multiple doctors and lawyers serving...oh wait...they do.
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    Vort reacted to Fether in Utahns! With COVID numbers rising, would you cancel a reunion?   
    If only our church leadership had legal counsel as good as you
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    Vort reacted to anatess2 in Utahns! With COVID numbers rising, would you cancel a reunion?   
    I won't cancel it.  If people show up, great, if they don't great.  I'd encourage everyone to go and get tested prior to the event.  This might be the last chance your 80 year old relative will see everyone together.  As my 84-year-old aunt just told me - I'd rather see you then die of covid rather than not see you and die in my sleep.
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    Vort reacted to beefche in Utahns! With COVID numbers rising, would you cancel a reunion?   
    If the ones who would be susceptible are aware of the risk, shouldn't they choose to go or not? If 80 year old decides to stay home for fear of contracting something, then why should the others not go? Or if 80 year old decides that risking catching it is worth it, why do you get to choose differently? I really am trying to understand. If the majority are in favor of still having it, that doesn't negate the individual choices.
    I understand that family dynamics may mean some hard feelings or whatever, but perhaps I'm heartless....but if you want to get your panties in a twist because I choose to do something differently than you, it's your twisted panties not mine.
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    Vort got a reaction from Just_A_Guy in LDS Church donates to Utah Pride Center   
    Schadenfreude is beneath you, JAG. (I know this because I can see you up there.)
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    Vort reacted to NeuroTypical in LDS Church donates to Utah Pride Center   
    Dude tracks the rise of the concept of Mao's "political correctness", with the rise of it in the western world.  He's not comparing Mao at his height (or depth) with US today, he's comparing Mao's early developing years with the US today.
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    Vort got a reaction from Just_A_Guy in LDS Church donates to Utah Pride Center   
    Schadenfreude is beneath you, JAG. (I know this because I can see you up there.)
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    Vort got a reaction from pam in So It Begins   
    I try hard not to feel that way. I imagine it's a sort of slap in God's face for the gift of life. But sometimes I really feel the wisdom of mortality.
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    Vort reacted to pam in So It Begins   
    I have hated the thought of getting older and my life time running out.  Now I'm kind of looking forward to it.  Sad to say but it's how I feel these days.
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    Vort got a reaction from Traveler in Bubba Wallace   
    [EDIT: Two hours later and having received more information in the form of a photograph of the noose—yes, it was actually a noose—I have rethought my position on this. My current opinion is almost 180 degrees different, but I'm leaving this here for context and as a reminder to myself of how fallible our initial judgments can be.]
    I find myself in agreement with anatess. We are commanded to forgive, even without apology, and we are explicitly commanded to forgive even our enemies if they repent toward us. So I cannot but believe that we are expected to do so in such a case.
    My problem is that such apologies lack any apparent element of sincerity. An apology should be given with the same forcefulness and vehemence as the original false accusation. Wallace's "apology" was, "Well, good thing I was wrong about this. Thank heavens it didn't actually occur. Oh, well, a little embarrassment is worth it to insure justice for all!" It's baloney. It's fake.
    The whole situation appears blown completely out of proportion. Someone tied a bowline at the end of a pull string a year ago, and as a result, a national scandal erupts. It was stupid for Wallace to make such reckless allegations, and it was of course far stupider for the lying press to blow it up into scandal territory. But did you see Wallace saying, "Hey, calm down, it was only a little noose, not an actual threat to life"? No. It was a "hate crime"! It required FBI intervention! It was a threat to society itself! And Wallace was actively fanning the flames, not seeking reconciliation or sanity, but only an ever greater outrage.
    Toward a bowline someone tied a year ago.
    Having thrown the public tantrum he did, Wallace should spend the next week doing the media circuit, saying that his big mouth created a scandal out of LITERALLY nothing, and that maybe this should be a lesson to others who might want to reflexively scream "Racism!" instead of actually look at what happened. Heck, if he would simply have stated, "I said something stupid. I was an idiot, and I admit it. Don't do the same thing I did", that would have been a great step forward. Instead, he indistinctly mumbles something about "embarrassment" (not "I am embarrassed and ashamed for my moronic, divisive reaction", and not even "I am embarrassed" at all, but just something along the lines of "It was worth the embarrassment") and then extols the virtue of the overreaction itself.No. It's baloney. There is not an ounce of sincerity in the wording of Wallace's non-apology. Yes, we should forgive him, because we risk losing our own souls to hatefulness and spite if we do not. This I freely admit. But don't tell me that Wallace apologized. He did no such thing. Not a modicum of contrition was on display. It's business as usual.
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    Vort got a reaction from Just_A_Guy in So It Begins   
    If everyone was "racist", then was anyone really racist? This is pure, unadulterated presentism. For a term like "racist" to have any meaning, there must be a viable alternative that people do not choose. What viable alternative to "racist" beliefs existed in 18th and 19th century America that were available to Americans and would justify calling them "racist"? Even abolitionists were "racist" by today's definition.
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    Vort got a reaction from Just_A_Guy in So It Begins   
    If everyone was "racist", then was anyone really racist? This is pure, unadulterated presentism. For a term like "racist" to have any meaning, there must be a viable alternative that people do not choose. What viable alternative to "racist" beliefs existed in 18th and 19th century America that were available to Americans and would justify calling them "racist"? Even abolitionists were "racist" by today's definition.
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    Vort got a reaction from Traveler in So It Begins   
    By today's definition of "racism", the above bolded part is false. God himself is a "racist", by the definition many use today. He created the races, after all. And since the races are demonstrably different, sometimes in performance as well as in appearance, that makes God racist.
    I have grown up and spent my whole life decrying racism and believing it to be a plague on our society. As a middle-aged man, I find my opinion changing. I think racism is a political construct. The things I have always considered to be racism can better be classified as hatefulness or stupidity. "Racism", as the term is widely used today, is a political fiction, an excuse to pass legislation and engage in societal deconstruction/reconstruction in a mostly dangerous and dishonest way. It plays off of people's noblest instincts to produce evil. Or does anyone here rationally and objectively accept that the proper response to "white privilege" is for white people to quit calling the police when they're being robbed?
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    Vort reacted to Carborendum in Twitter vs The White House   
    The common term we tend to use is "Cronyism" or "Crony capitalism".  The latter is not really accurate.  Cronyism is cronyism.  It often exists under capitalist systems.  It ALWAYS exists under socialist systems.
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    Vort got a reaction from mrmarklin in Book of Mormon white supremacy??   
    Queolby does not engage in conversation, ever. Go back and check his posting history. He raises what he apparently sees as "controversial" topics, often disguised as "investigator questions" or "someone asked me this online," then sits back to enjoy the show. This thread continues that pattern. In my opinion, the mods should resolve this problem once and for all.
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    Vort reacted to Just_A_Guy in So It Begins   
    Erm . . . Not quite.
    Yes, the Brits accepted runaway US slaves.  American southerners lived in fear of the Brits fomenting a slave rebellion—an early draft of the Declaration of Independence simultaneously blamed George III for continuing the slave trade in the colonies, and also for stirring up those same slaves to rebel against their masters.  During the Chesapeake Campaign the British Admiral Cockburn was able to muster a couple of regiments of ex-slaves, units of which had taken part in the sack of Washington, DC the month before the assault on Fort McHenry.  And virtually all Americans scorned the British soldiers as either recently-emancipated slaves (who, as throughout all ancient history, were despised as an uneducated and undisciplined rabble irrespective of race) or paid mercenaries (“hirelings”), whereas the Americans characterized themselves as “freemen . . . stand[ing] between their loved homes and the war’s desolation”.
    Yes, the verse contains snobbery (I wouldn’t say “racism” per se, though Key himself was undoubtedly a racist).  No, it does not glorify war crimes.  It is a jingoistic paean to American soldiers who considered themselves to be both better soldiers and motivated by a better cause.
    Sure, it’s a little obnoxious—most good patriotic displays are.  But the real problem with “The Star Spangled Banner” is that it enthusiastically endorses the ideas that we are objectively better because we are free and that defensive violence is a natural prerogative of a free people.  It’s easy to miss that point, because we’ve had two generations of generally progressive schoolteachers indoctrinating their pupils with the idea that the song is just about a flag.
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    Vort got a reaction from pam in Triumph In The Midst Of Chaos   
    Disgust removed. It was the least funny one, anyway.