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    carlimac reacted to Just_A_Guy in Racial Error in Come Follow Me Manual   
    Good points.  The “white and delightsome” change, of course, had the advantage of being in line with Joseph Smith’s edit to the 1840 edition of the BoM (we kept using a modified 1837 edition until 1981, so we were stuck with the unedited verbiage until then).
    But Joseph Smith was clearly on board with the idea of “whitening” the native Americans; and there’s some evidence that that’s how he got the idea for polygamy in the first place (LDS men taking Indian women as plural wives and raising up a generation of mixed-race children).
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    carlimac reacted to Vort in Racial Error in Come Follow Me Manual   
    "To disavow" does not mean "to deny" or "to repudiate" or "to proclaim as false". Rather, "to disavow" means "to deny support for". In other words, the Church at this point steadfastly refuses to align itself with that particular scriptural and historical interpretation. That is a much different thing from proclaiming that the interpretation is false. The interpretation might well be true, or might have some elements of truth in it. But the Church doesn't support any such theory. That is the point.
    And to condemn "racism...in any form" seems obvious, so long as we understand what "racism" means (or should mean). It does not (or should not) mean acknowledging differences between people of different races. It does not (or should not) mean recognizing that there are unprofitable and even wicked culltural characteristics that end up being associated with race. It does (or should) mean that all people are recognized for their inherent value and are not prejudged or condemned for being a certain race.
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    carlimac reacted to prisonchaplain in Purpose of blocking witnesses?   
    The Democrats still believe that dragging this thing out keeps up the negative new on POTUS. POTUS, of course, believes all news is good publicity. The GOP is tired, bored, and would rather govern and campaign, and so are sealing the deal. As for who the real adults are in the room the answer is that they all left the building quite a long time ago.
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    carlimac reacted to Traveler in BYU to allow same-sex dancing at annual competition   
    As a landlord that caters to college students in Provo, Utah - and as a former student at BYU I am well acquainted with the standards of the university.   I am also well aware of particular individuals that well fulfill the prophesy of D&C 121 and implement protocols for departments at BYU that the oversee with the published standards that often do not make sense with their implementations.  I am also aware that there are some battles that are not necessary to be fought.
    It is not uncommon for multi same sex individuals to be dancing together.  It is very common with indigenous dances - for example native American dances and Polynesian cultural center dancers at Brigham Young University Hawaii often dance with many of the same sex.   There is nothing that demands that two ball room dancers of the same sex to be attracted to the same sex for sexual purpose.  This is not a battle that I think anyone with a IQ above room temperature ought to be willing to die for.   But I do not agree with @TheRedHen - breaking the Sabbath is never a good idea if there is any possibility to avoid it.
     
    The Traveler
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    carlimac reacted to anatess2 in BYU to allow same-sex dancing at annual competition   
    Don't underestimate the power of males to directly mimic the movements and visage of females.  Much harder for females to mimic movements and visage of males when muscle growth and strength is required - lifts are an integral part of ballroom dance.  And Dancing with the Stars proves every week that being the leader/follower in the dance is not gender specific.
    Blaire, pictured below, is male:

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    carlimac reacted to Vort in BYU to allow same-sex dancing at annual competition   
    No kidding.
     
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    carlimac reacted to JohnsonJones in BYU to allow same-sex dancing at annual competition   
    There is irony in this part (not your statement, but in what the Church bureacracy has been doing).  I've found that the Youth for the most part are secure as long as their parents are secure.  The Youth go to church and for the most part, as LONG AS THEIR PARENTS are going they will go.
    I work with Young Adults through teaching them and thus being associated with them in the university system (edit: Not BYU's System).  In this, I suppose, is why I've occasionally (actually a lot in just the past few weeks) been asked about some Young Single Adults that I deal with in classes and otherwise.  It is at the critical juncture (at least with those that attend the university) where they leave home and attend the university that I see them leaving the church. 
    From my viewpoint, the focus has been on the Youth and very little on the Young Adults.  The church has taken what little there was for the young men to work towards in some ways and tossed it away.  Where a young man may see a Melchezidek Priesthood holder doing ordinances in the temple in the past with Baptisms for the dead, today, they will not see that as much.  Instead, to baptize any of the young men that are priests would be able to do it.  Once they get to the university...they simply fall away.  They have no goals.  They have no objectives.  They have nothing that they really are working towards in the Church.  Those that serve missions have already achieved that goal and now in the new environment seem to have difficulties.  Even among returned missionaries I am seeing them fall away.  Those who do best seem to be those that delay missionary service a bit and then go on their mission after attending a little bit and then return...but it's still no guarantee.  Girls seem to be more strongly connected to remaining active than Boys. 
    The critical juncture point I am seeing is not so much the Youth, the Youth will go where their parents will for the most part...but with the Young Single Adults and their transition during their late teens to their early 30s. 
    Much focus has been done on the Youth, but if  you lose their parents, you seem to lose the youth associated with that family as well in most cases.  If the family remains active, a greater percentage of the youth remain active. 
    With the Young Adults, I'm not sure exactly what is happening, but many seem to go inactive rather quickly (though more of the Single Men than the Single Women in my local and anecdotal experiences).  I haven't seen a lot of focus from the church on these groups so much as on the Youth.
    I know the idea that if they put a strong testimony with the Youth they will retain them...but for all the change I've only seemed to see a more rapid deterioration of the Young Adults (after being done with being youth, those attending the university at least) not sticking around.  Perhaps a change up where the focus is more on getting the YSA as families and focusing more on strengthening the family bonds where the YSA are more connected to their families that are active will help the problem.
    It seems there is so much focus on the Youth programs recently, but not a lot on the real backgrounds (parents being and remaining active, retaining them as Young Single Adults and providing better programs to help keep them motivated, give them goals, and keep them active in the Church) where I feel they are losing the university students (not all of them, there are some really strong students out their in the faith, stronger than I'd say most of us were at their age, but they are getting fewer and father between).
    It's still early in the process though, perhaps in the future there is much that will change regarding policies that will help retain the Young Adults (both single and married) better.
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    carlimac reacted to mordorbund in BYU to allow same-sex dancing at annual competition   
    I just read over some of the rules. 
    My reading of this is that the leader has to stay leader for the duration of the competition, and the follower has to stay the follower throughout the competition. I think just by allowing the same-sex partners the boundaries will be pushed and it will not remain this way. And just to add to the doom and gloom, NDCA can't very well allow same-sex partners to change without allowing traditional couples the same advantage.
    TFP won't have to worry about cross-dressers this year, but I think this is going to be pushed. For starters, 2 ladies dancing in ball gowns will have a disadvantage to 2 men dancing in tail suits who will have a disadvantage to a tail suit/ballgown couple. A twirl with tails just isn't as eye-popping as a traditional gown, and fancy footwork can be easily lost in 2 layers of ballgown.
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    carlimac reacted to MrShorty in BYU to allow same-sex dancing at annual competition   
    @mordorbund In my own "ignorant of anything to do with professional dance" way, I agree that this appears to represent a significant shift in the art and style of ballroom dance. Are we discussing the importance of preserving traditional ballroom dance and decrying changes to those traditions, and calling for BYU to be a beacon for traditional ballroom dance, or something else? If it's just about sticking to tradition and not letting sports/arts change, then it seems analogous to the volleyball purists who wish we were still doing traditional side-out scoring. Or basketball purists who decry the existence of the 3 point shot. Or those music purists (many from eras long past) decrying to creation of jazz or rock and roll or hip-hop or rap or [enter your most hated musical style]. Do we think it is BYU's place to be police and arbiter of what is part of traditional ballroom dance? It seems to me that, if BYU ought to stick to its standards on this, it ought to be for a more substantial reason than, "this change to the art of ballroom dance is forever going to ruin the art of ballroom dance and we refuse to go along with it."
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    carlimac got a reaction from Just_A_Guy in Revelation- How does it REALLY work?   
    Well she finally talked to him. He was "nice and normal" to her as she put it. She says she's glad I encouraged her to talk to him- break the ice, shrink the elephant in the room. That may be the end of it. But at least it would be closure for her rather than him just fading away and always wondering what happened to him. The ball is squarely in his court if anything more is going to happen. I can pray my guts out, and even if it's a relationship the Lord would approve of, the guy still has his agency. It's not  up to me to get inspiration on who she should end up with. but I can and do get inspiration on how to urge my children forward. Some need a little urging. Others not!!
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    carlimac got a reaction from Traveler in Revelation- How does it REALLY work?   
    Well she finally talked to him. He was "nice and normal" to her as she put it. She says she's glad I encouraged her to talk to him- break the ice, shrink the elephant in the room. That may be the end of it. But at least it would be closure for her rather than him just fading away and always wondering what happened to him. The ball is squarely in his court if anything more is going to happen. I can pray my guts out, and even if it's a relationship the Lord would approve of, the guy still has his agency. It's not  up to me to get inspiration on who she should end up with. but I can and do get inspiration on how to urge my children forward. Some need a little urging. Others not!!
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    carlimac reacted to mordorbund in Revelation- How does it REALLY work?   
    Just for @zil I'll bring out my old signature.
     
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    carlimac reacted to CV75 in Revelation- How does it REALLY work?   
    I think it is more important to act in faith (and in good faith) than to expect to act by inspiration or impressions. The Lord will stand behind our interpretations and even our misinterpretations in that He will not let us get too far off track. So I think using hindsight to second-guess our impressions in a way that discourages us from acting in faith is not helpful. I don't think it matters whether we act upon a spiritual prompting or a well-considered, good-faith desire; the aim is to remain close to the Lord.
    I do think it is important to follow promptings, whether from the Lord or our good faith desires--what else can we possibly do, than to do nothing and not learn?
    I seem to recall a number of articles on this subject in last year's Ensign magazines (young adult digital-only).
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    carlimac reacted to Traveler in Revelation- How does it REALLY work?   
    I am one that dated a lot but managed to screw up most social stuff I was involved with - with the one exception of marriage.  One thing I have learned about revelation - the easier it is to receive a revelation - the more difficult it will be to live up to it.
    I would make a suggestion about your daughter.  I have some apartments in Provo that I rent to mostly BYU male college students.  I have one very impressive student (guy) that is completing his PHD in electrical engineering this year.  He is an RM, an athletic (cyclist)  and I have known him as a tenant for a few years (you learn a lot about a person when you rent a living space to them).  He is leaving BYU without his MRS.  He is a typical engineer - which is problematic for many young ladies that like guys good at putting on a romantic show.  If your inspired daughter is smart enough to get along with an engineering mind - this guy has offers that would allow living in very upscale places just about any where in the USA.
     
    The Traveler
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    carlimac got a reaction from Maureen in Revelation- How does it REALLY work?   
    I appreciate this. I really do. But it’s mentally exhausting. I would think if the Lord wanted us to know or do something it wouldn’t be so murky, requiring mental gymnastics and contortions to have it make sense. 
     
    There have been times in my life when I have had clear impressions. Small things like how to comfort a hurting child or testifying of God to a doubting son. Clear, precise.  I guess  when we have to work so hard to justify something or cram a puzzle piece in where it doesn’t fit, it wasn’t a true prompting. 
     
    I do believe in coincidences and chance happenings. Even after praying for that thing, it isn’t always from God. 
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    carlimac reacted to Colirio in Revelation- How does it REALLY work?   
    Shortly after my mission, I dated a young lady who was pretty amazing. When I prayed, I felt that she would be a great eternal spouse for me. This was exciting! 
     
    However, I then felt to pray further and ask if I would be a great eternal spouse for her. The answer was, “No.” I would not have been the person she would need. 
     
    This was a turning point for me in my spiritual progression in realizing that sometimes I wasn’t asking the right questions. 
     
    I have since found that there is often further insight to be gained in most anything God reveals. Just like Lehi’s dream, it was actually Nephi’s further questioning that gave us the insights we have come to rely on. 
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    carlimac reacted to Just_A_Guy in Revelation- How does it REALLY work?   
    So, this happened to me just this morning, actually.  I got called to be ward Sunday School president and have been considering who to recommend to fill out the presidency.  I spent all week mulling it over with one particular person in mind, and then yesterday the second and third just fell into place and it seemed to all make sense.  I texted the bishop about it this morning and was told that the one person I’d been thinking about all week—who I was more sure about than either of the other two, and who had been on the list of potential names that my bishop had given me—is now unavailable.  (Stinkin’ elders’ quorum!) 
    I don’t know what to make of it.  I am still convinced it could have been a great presidency and that this particular brother would have been a big part of that.  But . . . meh, I guess.  God knows more than I do.  Maybe I misinterpreted, or maybe there will be a future time when I need to know what could have been.  Frankly, I’ve  got too much else on my plate to really dwell on it.
    I wonder sometimes, if much of the angst of my youth was really just a byproduct of me not having enough to do.
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    carlimac reacted to Jane_Doe in Revelation- How does it REALLY work?   
    When I was in middle school, there was this boy that had a HUGE crush on my gal friend.  He hung out with us all the time, they flirted, etc.  I truly believed that they were PERFECT for each other.  But, he was nervous and It took him until Junior year of HS to muster the courage to formally ask her out.  And she turned him down!!  He was devastated.  But still, he felt so strongly for her.  Freshman year of college, he asked her out again, and she said yes!!!
    I was so excited!!!!  When I heard the news, I literally danced in my kitchen for an hour-- finally she had realized it, and the were so wonderful for each other!!!
    22 days later she dumped him.  And not nicely either.  There was no coming back from this.
    ...why was she like this?  Didn't she understand how they were so great for each other?
     
    A few years later, I'm hanging out with this male friend more-- cause we were still friends after all.  And he asked me out!!  What the?!?  I sobbed.  Literally.  The water works, snot running down my face, "What about Sally?  She's was meant for you."  Really confused, he responded, "No... yeah, I liked her for a long time, and that's part of my past.  But it's just the past.  I want to be with you."  
    Fast forward: we have been blissfully married for seven years.
     
     
     
    God... is all knowing.  We really don't appreciate the grandness of what He sees, the way His marvels work.  And just because the marvel didn't turn out the way *we* thought it would, don't make the grand design any less.  
     
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    carlimac reacted to zil in Revelation- How does it REALLY work?   
    Maybe stop thinking of it as a "tactic" and instead as a natural hormonal response which doesn't need solving or defending against?  IMO, tears (assuming they're real) in a woman (and probably a male) are generally a release valve for overwhelming emotion.  We all have multiple such release valves, and tears are a more common one in females, but that's exactly what they are.  They aren't something to be stopped or a problem to be solved - they are, in fact, the solution to the problem (the problem being excess emotion which needs release, relief, or expression).  So just let her cry.  Maybe give her some Kleenex® brand facial tissue.
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    carlimac got a reaction from Vort in Revelation- How does it REALLY work?   
    Since we've been instructed to focus on personal revelation and how it comes to us I've been wondering a lot about what is revelation and if some of it is fabricated to fit our situation, to save face.
    Here's an example: I have a daughter in college who I love and admire so very much! She is awesome!! Beautiful, kind, smart, loving sibling, RM, artistic and musical talents, loves to do active things like hike, play soccer, ice skate, in great shape, etc. Dream girl in my opinion. But she's also quiet and not terribly outgoing. She was having a dating dry spell about 9-10 months ago and  she said she felt spiritually impressed to go on Mutual (dating app), which she did. She got lots of match ups and went on sometimes 2-3 dates a week for awhile. She had fun but nothing earth shaking happened- usually just one-and-done dates kind of thing. Then she matched up with Mr. Mutual as I call him. She fell hard for him. She ended up going out with him a few times and then the semester ended and he went home. About that time she says she prayed and felt  like she should get off Mutual now. That it's purpose was fulfilled. She was smitten. We thought "he's the one".  She kind of arranged her summer to be around when he was around rather than spend the whole summer at home. They went out again. And then he completely "ghosted" her. Like, went Poof! She was very hurt. She texted him and he never replied. 
    So now she feels like the reason she felt impressed to do Mutual at all was not to meet him, but just to get out of her dating rut. Which helped- she did get out of it. But now she's back in a dreary dry spell again. So was she really feeling the spirit when she opened a Mutual account? Or was she doing like we sometimes do when we see spiritual promptings as one thing but it doesn't pan out like we thought it would. So we unconciously make up another reason why we were "impressed" to do or think or say something?  Was it really a spiritual prompting at all or just a desire?
    She's a very good, spiritually in -tune person. So I'm not trying to question her integrity at all. I'm just wondering if we Church members tend to put more stock in "impressions" than we should. 
    There is more to the story but I'll leave it there for now. 
     
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    carlimac reacted to Anddenex in Revelation- How does it REALLY work?   
    I personally don't think we put enough in our impressions such that many good ones are ignored because we create confusion by saying, "Was that from God, or just myself"? Then we don't act.
    Not every impression is meant to lead to a garden of Eden.
    Something I just noticed in the Book of Mormon, Lehi's vision, is that the messenger from God who bade him to follow him first lead him through a dark and dreary waste, which lead to even further darkness, by which Lehi prayed for mercy and then obtained mercy. Something to think about.
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    carlimac reacted to estradling75 in The Glory of Men is the Woman   
    Because God's patriarchy.. aka the true definition of patriarchy is constrained by the limits given in D&C 121 about unrighteous dominion.  Done correctly it blesses everyone and is the way God does things.  It however is really hard to do correctly... making most who claim to be following patriarchy incorrect and imposters to the name and title.  Such imposters need to be corrected/shutdown. Sadly most of the world only really knows of the imposters 
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    carlimac reacted to anatess2 in The Glory of Men is the Woman   
    Really?  That’s what the movement is doing?  Could’ve fooled me.
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    carlimac reacted to mordorbund in The Glory of Men is the Woman   
    ......
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    ........I'm not sure that's true.

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    carlimac reacted to Vort in Revelation that separates spouses   
    Based on what you write above, your husband doesn't sound...well...well. Something is wrong. Maybe it's spiritual, maybe it's emotional, maybe it's cranial. I think @anatess2's advice is as good as any yet given on this thread.
    Go talk to your bishop.