Anddenex

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    Anddenex reacted to NeuroTypical in Rape by deception? Lies, immorality and why sin has created this problem   
    That's easy - the wife says "Ok, you've got me.  If you want to keep me, we do monthly temple dates."
    He then chooses.
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    Anddenex reacted to Just_A_Guy in Rape by deception? Lies, immorality and why sin has created this problem   
    Though one might say it’s a screwed up kind of love that doesn’t respect her or her values. 
    Sometimes (before marriage, at least) the supreme act of love towards a woman is to walk away.
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    Anddenex reacted to zil in Rape by deception? Lies, immorality and why sin has created this problem   
    I couldn't disagree more.  Love is not selfish.  He wanted her.  That's not the same as loving her.  I don't care how good to her he is / was, that's not the same as love.  What he did, he did for himself, not for her.  (Sorry, pet peeve.  Carry on.)
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    Anddenex reacted to Just_A_Guy in Rape by deception? Lies, immorality and why sin has created this problem   
    The more interesting question, IMHO, is whether people will be legally free to decline to have relations with such individuals.  The recent experience of a certain adult film actress, who was cyber-bullied into suicide after announcing via Twitter that she wouldn’t work with actors with a certain type of resume, suggests that many people think the answer should be “no”.  
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    Anddenex got a reaction from mirkwood in Rape by deception? Lies, immorality and why sin has created this problem   
    And you have a poster seeking to split hairs between "assent" and "consent," ("You are confusing the definition of "assent" with "consent.") which only convolutes this whole scenario.
    Assent: "to agree to or approve of something (such as an idea or suggestion) especially after thoughtful consideration : concur (e.g. assent to a proposal)
    Consent: to give assent or approval : agree; consent to being tested (e.g. Her father consented to the marriage.)
    I am not even sure how people "honestly" make this argument.
     
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    Anddenex got a reaction from mirkwood in Rape by deception? Lies, immorality and why sin has created this problem   
    You must have watched that episode from Grimm
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    Anddenex reacted to Rob Osborn in Rape by deception? Lies, immorality and why sin has created this problem   
    This problem, like all other sexually immoral induced problems, stems from the lack of hard defined morality in practice. Sex used to be a form of love and expression and for creating life by married husband and wife. If only married couples had sex this problem would disappear entirely. With the acceptance of premarital sex as a common practice in society, even going so far to acknowledge that it is a form of legitimate entertainment between two or more consenting single people it has opened up the floodgates for sin in all of its ugly deceptions. The derailment here is step by step. Lying has become a part of accepted life. Thats the first problem. The second problem is accepted rampant immorality. We see this in everything from adult strip clubs to pornography to legal whore houses. Because those two exist its thus inevitable that people are going to lie to get sex or have sex. Rape isnt the issue here if the two really are in consent. We have perverted a sacred and holy practice completely. There is no stop to this nonsense once it starts. Instead of having sex by fraud laws why dont we go back to a more biblical approach where it was unlawful to have sex outside of marriage? And, why cant we make laws that erradicate all forms of pornography, strip clubs, etc? Why are we so afraid to make laws that support marriage, morality and ethics that in its place we not only allow it but embrace it? The other half of the issue is the problem of lying. It used to be that all liars were shunned from society. Laws even made it criminal to lie. In the end we know the eternal consequence of not only the whoremongers but also all liars. They will go into the lake of fire and brimstone. Shouldnt that be our concern? Shouldnt our laws be in place to safeguard the path that leads one away from this state of eternal misery?
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    Anddenex reacted to Vort in Rape by deception? Lies, immorality and why sin has created this problem   
    Curious, Joyce: Suppose a woman makes up her face, goes to a bar, and picks up a guy for the night. The next morning, the man awakens to find himself lying next to an ugly person who deceptively wore makeup to appear more beautiful than she really was. Is the man a victim of rape?
    Because according to your definition, he is. The woman committed a misdemeanor or felony by wearing makeup to seduce him. I assume you agree. If not, please explain.
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    Anddenex reacted to Vort in Rape by deception? Lies, immorality and why sin has created this problem   
    Behold the feminist Nirvana: All sexual activity is rape. This feminist article of faith, long derided by any intelligent individual, is now in the process of being baked into public conscience. Because there is no possible way to present every nuance of yourself to another, even a spouse -- and of course, anything less than fully informed "assent" isn't "consent". Ergo, rape.
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    Anddenex reacted to NeuroTypical in Rape by deception? Lies, immorality and why sin has created this problem   
    Having a hard time taking this new poster seriously.  By this definition, offering someone a beer is sexual assault. 
    Tell us a little about yourself, Joyce.  Are you LDS?  What brings you to this site?
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    Anddenex reacted to mrmarklin in Rape by deception? Lies, immorality and why sin has created this problem   
    Parse it all you want.
     
    All the more reason to preserve one’s virtue for marriage. That way one will never be in the position of being “assaulted”.
    Sorry, but modern society cannot repeal a 6,000 year history of rules designed to protect, particularly women, in their interactions with the male of the species.  Human nature has not changed.  
    Interestingly no one has mentioned the greatest and most effective lie of all. I love you.❤️ 
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    Anddenex reacted to anatess2 in Rape by deception? Lies, immorality and why sin has created this problem   
    Rape by deception - you consent to have sex with a woman with full make-up on.  you wake up the next day with her make-up all melted and crusty and you do a coyote ugly.
    Law of Chastity people.
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    Anddenex got a reaction from NeedleinA in Rape by deception? Lies, immorality and why sin has created this problem   
    Well this quote from their about page says enough, "Together, we assert that the divine feminine is a source of inspiration and empowerment, and we seek Her and God the Father as we seek to understand ourselves," which brings this verse to memory, "Forasmuch as this people draw near unto me with their mouth, and with their lips do honor me, but have removed their hearts far from me, and their fear towards me is taught by the precepts of men—" (Particular emphasized portion). This is obviously the philosophies of men mingled with scripture.
    I believe this is why we have the commandment, 'No sexual relations except through husband and wife." Keep that commandment and you don't have to worry (excluding extreme conditions) with "sex by fraud."  This is a liberal/progressive stance that again avoids accountability.
    Her daughter wasn't "raped" and "rape by fraud/deception"is a foolish principle and deceptive principle (little irony there). If she consented, whether by deception, she consented. Pretty sad, on both accounts.
    This lady is showing ignorance also regarding policy and keys of the priesthood, "But you’re her ‘judge in Israel,'” I argued. “Not the Stake President! What’s the point?” And many other things. I wish some members were truly more read, it would solve a lot of ignorance in the Church, especially with simple policies and keys of the priesthood.
    The comments of this article are humorous and even show further ignorance.
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    Anddenex got a reaction from mrmarklin in Rape by deception? Lies, immorality and why sin has created this problem   
    Well this quote from their about page says enough, "Together, we assert that the divine feminine is a source of inspiration and empowerment, and we seek Her and God the Father as we seek to understand ourselves," which brings this verse to memory, "Forasmuch as this people draw near unto me with their mouth, and with their lips do honor me, but have removed their hearts far from me, and their fear towards me is taught by the precepts of men—" (Particular emphasized portion). This is obviously the philosophies of men mingled with scripture.
    I believe this is why we have the commandment, 'No sexual relations except through husband and wife." Keep that commandment and you don't have to worry (excluding extreme conditions) with "sex by fraud."  This is a liberal/progressive stance that again avoids accountability.
    Her daughter wasn't "raped" and "rape by fraud/deception"is a foolish principle and deceptive principle (little irony there). If she consented, whether by deception, she consented. Pretty sad, on both accounts.
    This lady is showing ignorance also regarding policy and keys of the priesthood, "But you’re her ‘judge in Israel,'” I argued. “Not the Stake President! What’s the point?” And many other things. I wish some members were truly more read, it would solve a lot of ignorance in the Church, especially with simple policies and keys of the priesthood.
    The comments of this article are humorous and even show further ignorance.
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    Anddenex got a reaction from JohnsonJones in Rape by deception? Lies, immorality and why sin has created this problem   
    Well this quote from their about page says enough, "Together, we assert that the divine feminine is a source of inspiration and empowerment, and we seek Her and God the Father as we seek to understand ourselves," which brings this verse to memory, "Forasmuch as this people draw near unto me with their mouth, and with their lips do honor me, but have removed their hearts far from me, and their fear towards me is taught by the precepts of men—" (Particular emphasized portion). This is obviously the philosophies of men mingled with scripture.
    I believe this is why we have the commandment, 'No sexual relations except through husband and wife." Keep that commandment and you don't have to worry (excluding extreme conditions) with "sex by fraud."  This is a liberal/progressive stance that again avoids accountability.
    Her daughter wasn't "raped" and "rape by fraud/deception"is a foolish principle and deceptive principle (little irony there). If she consented, whether by deception, she consented. Pretty sad, on both accounts.
    This lady is showing ignorance also regarding policy and keys of the priesthood, "But you’re her ‘judge in Israel,'” I argued. “Not the Stake President! What’s the point?” And many other things. I wish some members were truly more read, it would solve a lot of ignorance in the Church, especially with simple policies and keys of the priesthood.
    The comments of this article are humorous and even show further ignorance.
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    Anddenex got a reaction from classylady in Married a nonmember   
    Hello @Turtle, a random guy on the internet providing some thoughts for you to ponder, reject, accept, whatever you choose. I was trying to take some time finding some prophetic words regarding interfaith marriages, and members who chose to marry outside of their faith, but could not find what I had read a long time ago.
    1) As a baptized member of the Church we are to stand as witnesses of God at all times, in all things, and in places. I am sure you remember the Young Women's theme. In light of this you made a choice, our age at time of decision becomes moot in this context, and I would draw your mind to the following verses of scripture (these are sufficient):
    * Doctrine and Covenants 121: 41-46 (our communication efforts)
    * Alma 31: 31 (just this portion), "O Lord, my heart is exceedingly sorrowful; wilt thou comfort my soul in Christ. O Lord, wilt thou grant unto me that I may have strength,"
    * Mormon 9: 21, 27-28
    * 1 Nephi 1: 5 - A continually prayer with all heart on behalf of your husband and children
    * 1 Nephi 8 (the whole chapter)
    2) I agree with @DoctorLemon that not allowing your spouse to believe as they choose is a form of abuse, and the only thing that will cause divorce is yours and his decision. Whom you worship, if both worship in sincerity, will not cause divorce unless one or both parties becomes un-loving, impatient, self-serving, etc... Yet this is not easy because this was the life you chose, and something he appears to find difficult.
    3) In light of Doctrine and Covenants 121, remember any effort to "compel" a person to believe the way you want them to believe is unjust, and is not motivated in righteousness. On my mission a young lady brought her boyfriend to our discussions, and when he mentioned something contrary to our teachings (which showed he was not ready to be baptized or for the discussions) she would begin crying. If she continued I was going to kick her out of the discussion (I didn't care if she hated me after it). The irony, at school (college campus I was serving in) I saw her at school and I approached her and said "Hello." She turned and lowered her head, and then scurried off in another direction. Go figure. Her intent was purely selfish, no matter the desire being good (to be married in the temple).
    4) What you are feeling, regarding coming back to the Church is definitely inspired by the Holy Ghost, your Heavenly Father , and Jesus Christ reaching out to you. This is not something to be ignored, it is to be followed through wisdom and patience, while trusting in the Lord's grace and mercy. I would make sure, at this moment in your life, to remember to not invert the two great commandments anymore. Put your love of God first, and then your love of your neighbor second (just in case I am being misunderstood, this is not a statement for support of divorce). This is where the Tree of Life vision is good for you. This will be a personal mist of darkness that will overshadow your path back to the Gospel of Jesus Christ. How did Lehi, Nephi, Sariah, and Sam handle the mist, and what helped them to find joy and happiness?
    5) As always, the first step is to pray in faith, and then to act with patience and long suffering with the hope that first he will allow you to worship according to the dictates of your own conscience (while allowing him the same), and then allow the Spirit to work in his heart that hopefully you two will be sealed and your children. You must always remember, you made this choice. The Lord knew you would make this choice, therefore, the Lord then has prepared a way through this mist, may you "NEVER" give up.
    6) This is between you, the Lord, and your husband -- no one else. Trust that God knows you. Trust that God knows your husband, and be an example of the believers in thoughts, words, and deeds, with charity toward your husband.
    The Lord bless you.
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    Anddenex reacted to ctr2961 in Married a nonmember   
    From learning of my mistakes,
    Love is the PRACTICE to accept someone for who they are, not what you want them to be. 
    Marriage is the PROMISE to accept someone for who they are, not what you want them to be.
    If you spouse loves you, then they should accept you for your own beliefs. 
    If the person can not accept you, then do they truly love you?
    Pray to Heavenly father for advice.
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    Anddenex reacted to Jane_Doe in Married a nonmember   
    Howdy!  I am also Mormon lady married to an Evangelical guy.  We have a great family, beautiful daughter, and this has been the happiest 5 years of my life.  
    This biggest thing in any marriage is to have mutual respect and communication.  That applies just as much to inter-faith marriages.  Have you tried communicating with your husband about the emptiness you're feeling?  Have you asked him what his specific concerns with you attending LDS church?
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    Anddenex reacted to my two cents in Married a nonmember   
    What about going to both? Even if you don't go to your ward if it's at the same time as his church, you can just go to another ward instead. Hopefully your husband will see this as a reasonable compromise.
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    Anddenex reacted to person0 in Depression, testimony stuggles.   
    Mari,
    While not the same thing, my wife and I are unable to have children.  During our early years of dealing with this, my wife struggled with many of the same emotions, especially feeling it was her and/or my fault for lack of righteousness.  The only thing I can tell you is that you must mentally de-link your righteousness from this trial.  God's hand is in our lives, but that doesn't mean everything is exactly the way he wants it to be at all times.  I can assure you that your personal righteousness will not affect the outcome of this child.*
    My real question though is, what about this struggle affects your testimony of the gospel?  Are they just two things that are happening simultaneously, or does this trial affect the testimony, and how?  If you decided that you no longer believed in the Restored Gospel, what would you believe instead?  How would that be more beneficial to you?
    The reason these questions are important, is because, is the gospel and it's doctrines causing a problem, or is it the flawed interpretations and/or judgments of other people the problem?
    EDIT: *Caveat for the nitpickers: Obviously alcohol and other physically harmful substances or actions would affect things.  Also, if your patriarchal blessing has indicated that your family and child rearing is dependent on your righteousness (which I've never seen in anyone's before btw) then that would be important information to keep in consideration as well.
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    Anddenex reacted to anatess2 in .   
    Because she loves her husband.
    I want to look good for my husband.  I want his day to start off with a person he likes to look at.  Would he be upset if I don't look too good anymore?  No.  But I try my best because I want him to have icing with his cake.
    Full disclosure - I fell off the wagon when I got sick a couple years ago.  I tried to get back to it - there's a thread by... I can't remember her name - my memory went with my health, hah! - where I tried to get things back under control.  I'm still struggling today.  My husband loves me no different.  He is worried about my health and I don't want him worried anymore.  The thing is, he also fell off the wagon because of 2 herniated discs - went through a depression cycle and everything.  So we're both trying to help each other get back on the wagon for the sake of our kids.  We don't want to leave them orphans before they finish a mission and get married if we can help it.
    But yeah, my husband wouldn't go on social media telling people how fat his wife is...
     
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    Anddenex reacted to NeuroTypical in .   
    Hi priesthoodpower, I don't really have anything helpful to say.  Just I'm sorry you folks are going through this, and I hope there is a good outcome for your family.
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    Anddenex reacted to Midwest LDS in CH1 now on LDS.org for everyone   
    As a former member of a branch presidency I can assure everyone that there is absolutely nothing surprising about what's in handbook 1 it just gives specific instructions to leadership. Now if you want to know about proper goat sacrificing techniques you need to go to Handbook 0...but I've said too much?
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    Anddenex reacted to NeedleinA in CH1 now on LDS.org for everyone   
    Antagonist and fence sitting paranoid members alike can now see for themselves all the deep dark secrets that CH1 has been withholding from it's membership and the world at large... let the disappointment of all the missing/lack of Harry Potter and cult like voodoo sink in finally.
    On a serious note, I think this is a great way (edit: if not posted by mistake) to take away half the pretend ammunition that others purport to "have on us" or that only the oppressive elite leadership knows about.
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    Anddenex got a reaction from mordorbund in Brandon Sanderson Hate Him or Read Him   
    As I see one pellet left, you forgot to put the ghost behind him