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    Crypto reacted to zil2 in Prophesy of Joseph son of Joseph   
    Have you perused the links in the Scripture Citation Index?  (Link should take you to 2 Nephi 3.)
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    Crypto got a reaction from zil2 in Prophesy of Joseph son of Joseph   
    I wasn't aware of the Scripture Citation Index, so i'll definitely take a look!
    I've found in my notes that Cleon Skousen was the one who said the prophesies of Joseph of Egypt are found within Jewish tradition. Still looking for the sources.

    (I understand some caution is warranted when reading Skousen)
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    Crypto reacted to mikbone in The "Only true and living church" vs "The most correct of any church".   
    The Church of Jesus Christ of LDS is the only church with the true priesthood and living ordinances.
    It obviously has not cornered the market on truth, or righteousness though.
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    Crypto reacted to mordorbund in Shameless Babylon bee repost   
    The “controversial” commercial:

    I struggle to see the controversy here. The message I get from it is “Yes, many people who are ideologically opposed to you are Christian. They belong in the body of Christ. So do you. There’s a place for you and a place for them.”
    It’s an attempt to invite people to fill the pews who may feel alienated by church. Once there, it’s the job of local congregations to help them feel welcome and the role of local ministers to invite the same sort of change and indwelling encouraged of long-time members. Calvary Chapel in California took a similar approach with the displaced hippies and its members today form a small Bible Belt in a land of “nones”.
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    Crypto reacted to Vort in Entered into their exaltation   
    Let us be slow to affirm that God is unable to do something. There is nothing (meaningful) that God cannot do. Nothing. God cannot sin, but we understand this to mean that God is infinitely far beyond any desire to sin, that the very idea of a "sinful God" is an oxymoron, and not that God is completely unable to choose to act as he sees fit.
    The Holy Spirit is God entering into us. God the Father, God the Son. It is a literal thing. If we don't understand it, it's because the mechanisms and definitions involved have not been publicly revealed.
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    Crypto reacted to person0 in Entered into their exaltation   
    That is exactly what it means.  The Father can neither dwell within us, nor lay down His own life, because He is already a perfected, immortal being.  The Son offered Himself to fulfill the Father's plan, and the Holy Spirit did the same relevant to His role.
    The Godhead exists out of necessity.  The Father, being perfect in every way, would not have introduced roles and members of the Godhead that He was capable of filling on His own.  This is also another reason that it can be rightly said that the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are one God.  None of them possess the capacity to bring about the salvation and exhalation of man alone.  Hence, united, they operate as one God.
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    Crypto reacted to person0 in Entered into their exaltation   
    I get what you are saying and I believe this is mostly a lexical disagreement.  I will also argue that, in my view, what you are saying here is meaningfully equivalent to what I said.  I will add the clarifying note that, if there is anything the Father cannot Himself do alone, it is only because the capacity to do so is not something that exists within reality.
    If anyone needs them, I am happy to provide relevant passages from the scriptures that relate to this discussion, my position, and why I am willing to be more explicit in the way I said what I did (I know Vort already knows them).
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    Crypto reacted to zil2 in Entered into their exaltation   
    Presumably, he's never had a body and doesn't know what he's missing.   Or maybe he's just willing to make the sacrifice until his time.
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    Crypto got a reaction from laronius in Entered into their exaltation   
    This seems like a define the words you are using carefully type of thing.
    Exaltation is returning to dwell in Gods presence in the Celestial Kingdom. OR "Exaltation is eternal life, the kind of life God lives." (Which to be like God requires a Body)

    When Christ was on Earth, he was not "exalted" in this sense, since it required resurrection at the least, and at the most returning to the Father after entering into mortality.
    The test, trial, and attaining of perfection is not complete until it has happened, even if you are perfect.
    Christ "grew in wisdom, and stature, and favor with the Lord" Luke 2:52
    Christ also was baptized to "Fulfil all righteousness" Matt 3:15
    "It is Finished" John 19:30

    As a metaphor, Getting straight A's in 4th grade may mean they are getting perfect grades, but doesn't mean they are done with school.

    Christ entered into exaltation upon his returning to his Father, shortly after his resurrection. (Note when Christ says he has not ascended to his Father)
     
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    Crypto reacted to laronius in 116 Pages ... Additional Context   
    I like his insight and it does bring some clarity but I don't completely agree with his conclusion. Saying that God said No, No, and then Yes might be oversimplifying it but that is in essence what He said, conditional though it may have been. And yes, God will eventually give us what we want, even contrary to His will if we persist long enough. Just recently I had felt to take a certain action that I kept finding excuses not to, when in one of my doubting prayers the Spirit in essence said "Then don't do it." Sensing the Lord growing weary with me I quickly humbled myself and acted on the original prompting. In both instances the Lord's "Yes" isn't signifying approval of the act (or in my case lack of action) but rather the Lord not willing to subvert agency by applying too much pressure. If we want to do things our way He won't stand in the way but will be waiting for us on the other end of those poor choices to encourage us back onto the right path.
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    Crypto got a reaction from zil2 in Entered into their exaltation   
    This seems like a define the words you are using carefully type of thing.
    Exaltation is returning to dwell in Gods presence in the Celestial Kingdom. OR "Exaltation is eternal life, the kind of life God lives." (Which to be like God requires a Body)

    When Christ was on Earth, he was not "exalted" in this sense, since it required resurrection at the least, and at the most returning to the Father after entering into mortality.
    The test, trial, and attaining of perfection is not complete until it has happened, even if you are perfect.
    Christ "grew in wisdom, and stature, and favor with the Lord" Luke 2:52
    Christ also was baptized to "Fulfil all righteousness" Matt 3:15
    "It is Finished" John 19:30

    As a metaphor, Getting straight A's in 4th grade may mean they are getting perfect grades, but doesn't mean they are done with school.

    Christ entered into exaltation upon his returning to his Father, shortly after his resurrection. (Note when Christ says he has not ascended to his Father)
     
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    Crypto reacted to Carborendum in What would Jesus do over a potential houseguest that would potentially never leave   
    He threw the money-changers out of His own house.  It was because they were not using the house for the purpose which it was intended.
    If the purpose is for this relative to stay "a few days", then that is it.  More than "a few days" and they are not using the house for the purpose for which it was intended.
    Define a few days.
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    Crypto reacted to Anddenex in Entered into their exaltation   
    So here are the questions?  "Continuation of the lives", what does it mean?
    My understanding of this verse currently, is that it simply means that our lives will continue beyond of the grave as exalted beings. It does open the idea of a continuation of God's work and glory to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of the sons and daughters of God. Speculation of course.
    When did Jesus Christ enter into his exaltation?  Before the pre-mortal existance?  After the atonement? 
    He is already there. There was never a time where he was without the Father (so to speak). My thoughts entertain Christ's baptism. Some things just need to be done, but he was already there baptism didn't change his glory, his body.
    Curiously, I don't think that Able entered into his exaltation yet.
    I'm inline with other thoughts in this thread. Able probably was not the first to die of Adam and Eve's sons and daughters. It's humorous to me that I never really thought about the first person to die and being alone in the Spirit World. That had to have been a very interesting experience, seeing how often I have read and heard from others how they are looking forward to the family/friend embrace once they pass on from this earth life.
    Able, at my current knowledge, would be no different than Adam, Noah, Moses, Abraham, Nephi, Sam, Lehi, and any other righteous saint. I believe it is doctrine that all who were righteous (kept their first estate) would have been resurrected after Christ was resurrected. We know that Able was a righteous man, the Lord appears to make that known to Cain. There is no reason to think Able wasn't resurrected as with others, and that he is currently doing what others are doing also who died before Christ and his resurrection.
    If Cain still walks the Earth, he would be the obvious source of secret combinations.  
    That is an interesting thought regarding Cain. I don't have much to say with regards to Cain. I'm more inclined to believe the apostles experience as noted in the Miracle of Forgiveness. What an awful punishment, but for one to introduce murder and other things it doesn't seem to bad either.
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    Crypto got a reaction from laronius in Thoughts on new Children and Youth Initiative?   
    There are some good replies to this thread. Just to be quick.
    I think the goal setting idea is a great way of trying to teach the youth to be self motivated. This allows them to act, expands agency, and focuses them on change. (Faith, Repentance....)
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    Crypto reacted to person0 in Youth (especially YW) changes!   
    I don't think the changes will actually alter much in practice.  I think existing Young Men's Presidencies will just continue a similar role as advisers.  They already don't actually hold any keys.  I think mentally, the change will shift the logical understanding of the role of the Quorum presidencies back to how they were intended to be from the beginning; the presidencies and quorum members will simply be given guidance as they are held accountable to their stewardship.  This is an effective tool to both separate the wheat from the tares as well as to help the wheat grow strong in good ground.  That said, when I was in a YMP a few years ago, we were already trying to follow this type of model.  Hopefully this shift simply drives the concept home more efficiently.
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    Crypto reacted to prisonchaplain in Mormons believe . . . WHAT?   
    @Crypto  The reason we can be so calm is that we all know we are right, and we just have to help the others who disagree with us realize that they are wrong about thinking they are right. 😜  In all seriousness, the civility here is a treasure in the world of interfaith dialogue--especially online.
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    Crypto got a reaction from Backroads in Do you bother dressing modestly at home?   
    Modesty is a form of Courtesy.
    All civilizations adopt social rules of courtesy, ethics, morals etc... Some of which may be different from one another (Such as cultures where partial nudity is not sexualized). This forms a baseline of expectations for people to interact with each other. It's purpose is simple, to create an environment where they and others can get along, and feel safe with each other (arguably the first safe space...). Courtesy communicates non-aggression or aggression and other such information (You bet you can make a long list!). Regardless of agreement or disagreement with what others view is appropriate courtesy, if you wish to coexist and communicate with others effectively it is important to understand what others think when it comes to courtesy. In this context Modesty has more to do with getting along with others. 
    Suggesting modesty doesn't always mean that you are objectifying another person, or victim shaming them. 
     
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    Crypto reacted to pwrfrk in Another stupid convert question   
    It's neither.  Converts ask us questions that we likely know the answers to, because they don't know.  To a convert it may seem awkward or silly, to those with experience, we understand.  Kinda.
    Kinda like the question "why is this guy necro-posting?"
    Things that make ya go "hmmmm".    😉
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    Crypto reacted to anatess2 in Another stupid convert question   
    That's hilarious!  Although, it may not have been hilarious for Hitchens...
    I can imagine some Italian swearing over their dead mother's grave or something - like bring a picture of the grave and use that instead of a book. 
     
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    Crypto reacted to anatess2 in Another stupid convert question   
    I've never really thought about this before!  Is there an atheist that has been in office?  Do they swear on something?
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    Crypto reacted to The Folk Prophet in Asked not to wear pants to church   
    Before this reply I wanted to point out that I'm in process of working on a good ol' hipster beard at the moment. 
    But I don't really see much of a cultural change at all in regards to what you've suggested above. I'm not weighing in on my view of whether and when facial hair is/isn't appropriate, specifically in regards to 2005 to 2018. If you were talking about 1975 to 2018 I'd buy into the point better.
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    Crypto reacted to Suzie in Asked not to wear pants to church   
    Thanks, but I really don't need one. Even though it affected me at that time because I was young, I quickly realized that she did not mean to be hurtful. Sometimes, members get caught in tradition and they do things like this but they don't mean any harm. Of course it is wrong and I am not trying to justify it, but in situations like this I try to always see the intention behind people's actions rather than the action itself. It helps me to see that just like me,  people mess up sometimes.
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    Crypto reacted to The Folk Prophet in Asked not to wear pants to church   
    I suspect it was intended as a teaching thing rather than a judgemental condemnatory thing. When and how to bring up some things with investigators is tricky. I'd forgive the guy, try to take what is important in the idea(s), and move on. Getting offended helps nothing and no one. 
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    Crypto reacted to Vort in Asked not to wear pants to church   
    Don't know what to say. Such a comment is so obviously inappropriate that I wonder if there's not something wrong with the gentleman, uh, brother, uh, male human who offered the critique. I hesitate to speak badly of any Church leader, and I refuse to jump on a too-popular virtue-signaling bandwagon that consists of piling criticism on some anonymous guy for a reported infraction. But a case like this, or like @Suzie reports, is so far beyond the pale that I can only shake my head.
    For what it's worth, this thing you describe is rare. We're all sinners with our own weaknesses and hangups, but generally not quite as overt as this fellow's shortcomings appear to have been.
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    Crypto reacted to Suzie in Asked not to wear pants to church   
    @Just_A_Guy my only experience about wearing pants came from a YW President. 
    I was like 14 and it was seminary graduation. I was so excited because they asked me weeks in advance to offer the opening prayer. When I reached the stake center, I saw my name printed on the program etc. I was beyond nervous but very happy! Everything was going well until they called my name to offer the prayer.
    I slowly approached the pulpit...the Stake YW President saw me, came to me and quietly said: "Suzie, you cannot offer the prayer because you're wearing pants" and then she sat down while talking to other leaders and choosing someone else to pray. I stood there not knowing exactly what to do and I quietly sat down while everyone was just staring at me. It made me feel like I have done something wrong and of course, at that age, concerned that others would think I wasn't worthy to offer the prayer.
    When they called someone else to pray, all I did was to look at my name printed on that program...
    Mind you, I was wearing some really, really nice dress pants....