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    Crypto got a reaction from laronius in Thoughts on new Children and Youth Initiative?   
    There are some good replies to this thread. Just to be quick.
    I think the goal setting idea is a great way of trying to teach the youth to be self motivated. This allows them to act, expands agency, and focuses them on change. (Faith, Repentance....)
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    Crypto reacted to Godless in Impeach Trump   
    Oh, conservative media has picked it up as well. Their message is slightly different.

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    Crypto reacted to person0 in Youth (especially YW) changes!   
    I don't think the changes will actually alter much in practice.  I think existing Young Men's Presidencies will just continue a similar role as advisers.  They already don't actually hold any keys.  I think mentally, the change will shift the logical understanding of the role of the Quorum presidencies back to how they were intended to be from the beginning; the presidencies and quorum members will simply be given guidance as they are held accountable to their stewardship.  This is an effective tool to both separate the wheat from the tares as well as to help the wheat grow strong in good ground.  That said, when I was in a YMP a few years ago, we were already trying to follow this type of model.  Hopefully this shift simply drives the concept home more efficiently.
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    Crypto reacted to prisonchaplain in Mormons believe . . . WHAT?   
    @Crypto  The reason we can be so calm is that we all know we are right, and we just have to help the others who disagree with us realize that they are wrong about thinking they are right. 😜  In all seriousness, the civility here is a treasure in the world of interfaith dialogue--especially online.
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    Crypto got a reaction from Backroads in Do you bother dressing modestly at home?   
    Modesty is a form of Courtesy.
    All civilizations adopt social rules of courtesy, ethics, morals etc... Some of which may be different from one another (Such as cultures where partial nudity is not sexualized). This forms a baseline of expectations for people to interact with each other. It's purpose is simple, to create an environment where they and others can get along, and feel safe with each other (arguably the first safe space...). Courtesy communicates non-aggression or aggression and other such information (You bet you can make a long list!). Regardless of agreement or disagreement with what others view is appropriate courtesy, if you wish to coexist and communicate with others effectively it is important to understand what others think when it comes to courtesy. In this context Modesty has more to do with getting along with others. 
    Suggesting modesty doesn't always mean that you are objectifying another person, or victim shaming them. 
     
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    Crypto reacted to pwrfrk in Another stupid convert question   
    It's neither.  Converts ask us questions that we likely know the answers to, because they don't know.  To a convert it may seem awkward or silly, to those with experience, we understand.  Kinda.
    Kinda like the question "why is this guy necro-posting?"
    Things that make ya go "hmmmm".    😉
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    Crypto reacted to anatess2 in Another stupid convert question   
    That's hilarious!  Although, it may not have been hilarious for Hitchens...
    I can imagine some Italian swearing over their dead mother's grave or something - like bring a picture of the grave and use that instead of a book. 
     
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    Crypto reacted to anatess2 in Another stupid convert question   
    I've never really thought about this before!  Is there an atheist that has been in office?  Do they swear on something?
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    Crypto reacted to The Folk Prophet in Asked not to wear pants to church   
    Before this reply I wanted to point out that I'm in process of working on a good ol' hipster beard at the moment. 
    But I don't really see much of a cultural change at all in regards to what you've suggested above. I'm not weighing in on my view of whether and when facial hair is/isn't appropriate, specifically in regards to 2005 to 2018. If you were talking about 1975 to 2018 I'd buy into the point better.
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    Crypto reacted to Suzie in Asked not to wear pants to church   
    Thanks, but I really don't need one. Even though it affected me at that time because I was young, I quickly realized that she did not mean to be hurtful. Sometimes, members get caught in tradition and they do things like this but they don't mean any harm. Of course it is wrong and I am not trying to justify it, but in situations like this I try to always see the intention behind people's actions rather than the action itself. It helps me to see that just like me,  people mess up sometimes.
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    Crypto reacted to The Folk Prophet in Asked not to wear pants to church   
    I suspect it was intended as a teaching thing rather than a judgemental condemnatory thing. When and how to bring up some things with investigators is tricky. I'd forgive the guy, try to take what is important in the idea(s), and move on. Getting offended helps nothing and no one. 
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    Crypto reacted to Vort in Asked not to wear pants to church   
    Don't know what to say. Such a comment is so obviously inappropriate that I wonder if there's not something wrong with the gentleman, uh, brother, uh, male human who offered the critique. I hesitate to speak badly of any Church leader, and I refuse to jump on a too-popular virtue-signaling bandwagon that consists of piling criticism on some anonymous guy for a reported infraction. But a case like this, or like @Suzie reports, is so far beyond the pale that I can only shake my head.
    For what it's worth, this thing you describe is rare. We're all sinners with our own weaknesses and hangups, but generally not quite as overt as this fellow's shortcomings appear to have been.
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    Crypto reacted to Suzie in Asked not to wear pants to church   
    @Just_A_Guy my only experience about wearing pants came from a YW President. 
    I was like 14 and it was seminary graduation. I was so excited because they asked me weeks in advance to offer the opening prayer. When I reached the stake center, I saw my name printed on the program etc. I was beyond nervous but very happy! Everything was going well until they called my name to offer the prayer.
    I slowly approached the pulpit...the Stake YW President saw me, came to me and quietly said: "Suzie, you cannot offer the prayer because you're wearing pants" and then she sat down while talking to other leaders and choosing someone else to pray. I stood there not knowing exactly what to do and I quietly sat down while everyone was just staring at me. It made me feel like I have done something wrong and of course, at that age, concerned that others would think I wasn't worthy to offer the prayer.
    When they called someone else to pray, all I did was to look at my name printed on that program...
    Mind you, I was wearing some really, really nice dress pants....
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    Crypto reacted to Just_A_Guy in Asked not to wear pants to church   
    Welcome!
    Mormons tend to be pretty conservative across a spectrum of issues; and “Sunday dress” is no exception.  There’s sort of an unspoken cultural standard that men wear ties and women wear skirts or dresses.  
    This obviously can create some incoherence when you see women feeling subliminal pressure to wear—for example—a denim skirt rather than a much more formal pantsuit.  I’ve never known a male church leader to make it A Thing, though; and I’m sorry it was brought up in a way you found embarrassing.  I think, though, that if pushed there isn’t a Mormon who would say that they’d rather you not come at all than come in pants.
    If you find LDS teaching correct and find Mormon meetings edifying overall, then I’d encourage you to keep right on going wearing whatever attire you sincerely believe to strike the right balance between respect and comfort.  
    If it makes you feel better, there’s kind of a reverse standard currently going on in legal circles.  In the courtrooms I practice in, a woman can wear whatever she wants and the judge won’t say “boo”—but heaven help the male attorney who crosses the bar without a suit jacket.
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    Crypto reacted to mordorbund in History poll   
    Heh, I learned from history that the founding fathers didn't agree with the original beliefs of the founding fathers. Not only do we have Jefferson vs Hamilton, but also Federalist Papers Madison vs legislator Madison.
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    Crypto reacted to person0 in History poll   
    Also, the two things are not mutually exclusive.  Whoever the founders are, can you not agree with them and also learn from history?  Why, just the other day I learned that vibranium comes from Wakanda, and that they have been keeping it secret from us for 1000's of years!  I agree with their reasons, but I think Iron Man could seriously use a vibranium upgrade to his armor!  Why do Captain America and Black Panther get the monopoly on it?
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    Crypto reacted to NeuroTypical in History poll   
    PunBird acknowledges the fish joke.

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    Crypto reacted to zil in History poll   
    Assumes facts not in evidence.
    Maybe he's talking about Founders Brewing Company.  Maybe he's talking about the founders of formal Agnosticism (is there such a thing?).  There's something called "Founders Ministries" - maybe it's about those founders.
    What if it's a type-o and this is all about flounders!?  Maybe this post was made just for the halibut! (sorry, couldn't resist)
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    Crypto reacted to NeuroTypical in History poll   
    An agnostic Brit walks into a Mormon forum and starts a poll about the founders of the US constitution?  Add a priest and a Rabbi to the story, and you've got the fixins' of a really good joke... 
    Welcome Barry!  What Zil said. 
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    Crypto reacted to zil in History poll   
    Welcome, @barry scott!
    I think you're gonna need to be a little more verbose in your OP if you want someone to answer your otherwise overly vague question.
    Who exactly are "the founders"?  What are their "original beliefs"?  And what has history taught that you view as contrary to those beliefs (or something founded on those beliefs?) and therefore requiring change?
    Without all that (and possibly more), no one could possibly provide you with a meaningful answer.
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    Crypto reacted to Madeline Turner in Concerns about baptism   
    Hello all, I just thought you might like a little update
    I appreciate everyone's responses and advice here. I was able to use it all to guide my discussion with the missionaries. They've been quite understanding of my silly questions and get that most of it is due to my poor, dear parents' fears that I would end up in a "cult" like they did.
    Few updates:
    My sister has been my biggest cheerleader in all this. I never thought that would happen (you can see I had concerns she would be disappointed in me). She's extremely happy My sister talked to my parents and assured them that I am not joining a "cult" and that this is different from the unfortunate experience they had. They were relieved by her assurances and told me they are very happy I have made friends and family in the church. My mother even excitedly asked me about what my future in the church looks like. Again, never thought this would be possible. I'm so relieved that secrecy is no longer a concern. I am getting baptized this Saturday and all my doubts are gone. I walked out of the baptism interview on Monday feeling like a million bucks. I am the happiest I've ever been and I absolutely cannot wait until Saturday. I chose Dear to the Heart of the Shepard as one of my hymns and every time I hear it I just want to cry with happiness. The missionaries are just about done with the program, and when I see how many dear friends I've made in the church will be there, I am overwhelmed with joy. A fellow recent convert is baptizing me and he is so excited and humbled that I asked him to do it; the elder who interviewed me is doing my confirmation and he was so shocked and happy as well.  Long story made short, my family is happy, my doubt are gone, I'm getting baptized on saturday and I'm happier then I've ever been Thanks again, all. 
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    Crypto reacted to prisonchaplain in Mormons believe . . . WHAT?   
    I believe this is a different question. First, it was who gave the authority not to look to a single human organization. Now, it's who gives the authority to interpret scripture.  And, I suppose this is the crux of the matter. Has it always been intended that all God's people would know his word, his will, his way, or was it meant for go-betweens to mediate? When Jesus told his disciples to go and make more, was he speaking to the leaders, and only the leaders? When Paul tells the Corinthians to discern the spirits as prophetic words are spoken, was it only the leaders who did this?  LDS also most agree with me on this. The priesthood is not for the elite. Approving leaders ordained by God is sustained by all members. So, it's not an arbitrary matter of taken authority meant for another, but rather that faith is both corporate and personal, just as God is both transcendent and intimate.
    A friend of mine converted to Catholicism (Byzantine Rite). Recently he posted that when he did so (he's a former minister) he gave up his right to interpret scripture. That now falls on church hierarchy, for him. I do not begrudge him his belief, but my walk with God has always been more direct and accessible than that. I can come to him and his throne of grace boldly. I can embrace and understand his word in like manner.
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    Crypto got a reaction from zil in Do you bother dressing modestly at home?   
    Modesty is a form of Courtesy.
    All civilizations adopt social rules of courtesy, ethics, morals etc... Some of which may be different from one another (Such as cultures where partial nudity is not sexualized). This forms a baseline of expectations for people to interact with each other. It's purpose is simple, to create an environment where they and others can get along, and feel safe with each other (arguably the first safe space...). Courtesy communicates non-aggression or aggression and other such information (You bet you can make a long list!). Regardless of agreement or disagreement with what others view is appropriate courtesy, if you wish to coexist and communicate with others effectively it is important to understand what others think when it comes to courtesy. In this context Modesty has more to do with getting along with others. 
    Suggesting modesty doesn't always mean that you are objectifying another person, or victim shaming them. 
     
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    Crypto reacted to Vort in Do you bother dressing modestly at home?   
    Because you live in Antarctica, or in the jungles of Borneo, or at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean, or on the surface of the moon, or somewhere else that isn't 21st-century America, where literally everything is sexualized, including the male human body.
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    Crypto got a reaction from askandanswer in A World Without Electronics   
    I agree with everything except this one little thing. I think they often times coexist. Science is not truth, is not faith....but a very good tool for getting closer to it.