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This comes from the online edition of the main daily newspaper in Australia's second most populous State. Typically, Year 8 students would be 14, which is 2 years under the age of consent here. I'm surprised and disappointed to see parents complaining about receiving an email from their kids school promoting sexual abstinence.
A state high school in Victoria has set a controversial goal to "delay sexual activity in school-aged youth".
Parents of year 8 students at Officer Secondary College were shocked to receive an email on Tuesday promoting abstinence as part of the school's Respectful Relationships curriculum, a state government initiative aimed at stamping out domestic violence.
Officer Secondary College parents received an email promoting abstinence as part of the school's Respectful Relationship curriculum.
"Our shared goal is to delay sexual activity in school-aged youth," it read.
One parent, who did not want to be named, said the school was sending students a "damaging, archaic" message by telling them to abstain from sexual activity until they graduated.
"It sets up a culture of shame around sexual desire and feeling, and a culture of secrecy when students are in relationships," they said.
Another parent said that while they didn't want their children having sex early, it was inappropriate for the school to promote abstinence. This created shame, and stopped children from getting help, they said.
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/state-school-under-fire-for-telling-students-to-delay-sexual-activity-20170809-gxsmij.html
 

I guess they turn a blind eye to it in certain swampy parts of Florida.
Letting oneself become part of the collection also sounds like a strange thing to do  

I feel for you @person0!  I pray that things work out for the best for you and the child. 
We have a similar story in our ward where one family who decided to adopt a child went through a "ripping".  They adopted a 5-year-old boy from Russia and so they met the child at the orphanage, prayed about it, and got a sure confirmation that he should be with them, so they applied for adoption and while the paper work was getting processed, built a relationship with the child.  A few days before the paperwork was supposed to be completed, the orphanage administrators found a biological relative - some uncle or something who didn't know about the child's existence, and so they offered him priority over the child.  This broke their hearts and made them question the answer to their prayers.  The orphanage encouraged them to check out the other children - a 7 year old girl and a 4 year old boy.  It took them a while to make a decision wary of getting hurt again.  But, for some reason, they felt impressed to go ahead and apply for the other boy but felt bad for the other girl so they went ahead and applied for her too.  They were getting ready to go back to the US when the uncle showed up with the first boy and said he can't take care of the child.  They ended up going back to the US with 3 children instead of the 1 they planned on.  They already have 2 biological children so they ended up as a family of 7!   The crazy thing is... all 7 of them have such similar features and similar mannerisms that people are surprised to know they're not all biologically related to each other.  The biological daughter and the adopted daughter, for example, have the same straight fine blonde hair and are both musical.  The biological son and both adopted sons have the same color eyes and have some form of special needs - the bio and one adopted have dyslexia, etc.  It's like the parents just gathered the rest of their "flock" from the other side of the world.

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This comes from the online edition of the main daily newspaper in Australia's second most populous State. Typically, Year 8 students would be 14, which is 2 years under the age of consent here. I'm surprised and disappointed to see parents complaining about receiving an email from their kids school promoting sexual abstinence.
A state high school in Victoria has set a controversial goal to "delay sexual activity in school-aged youth".
Parents of year 8 students at Officer Secondary College were shocked to receive an email on Tuesday promoting abstinence as part of the school's Respectful Relationships curriculum, a state government initiative aimed at stamping out domestic violence.
Officer Secondary College parents received an email promoting abstinence as part of the school's Respectful Relationship curriculum.
"Our shared goal is to delay sexual activity in school-aged youth," it read.
One parent, who did not want to be named, said the school was sending students a "damaging, archaic" message by telling them to abstain from sexual activity until they graduated.
"It sets up a culture of shame around sexual desire and feeling, and a culture of secrecy when students are in relationships," they said.
Another parent said that while they didn't want their children having sex early, it was inappropriate for the school to promote abstinence. This created shame, and stopped children from getting help, they said.
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/state-school-under-fire-for-telling-students-to-delay-sexual-activity-20170809-gxsmij.html
 

I think the information therein had not previously appeared as a collection with the degree of clarity that it has in that document.  While the various teachings therein (and there are a lot more than the few which get the most press time) are not new, I think the mixture, clarity, and voice are new, and they will be needed more and more lest the saints be worn down by the constant barrage from the enemies of God.

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Morality.
It astounds me that leftist ideology pushes relative morality and then seems oblivious to the consequences of relative morality.

Sounds like you need to write your own Bible.

I think you would agree @Lehite that God is not sexist. So the real question you should be inquiring of God is whether the different roles of men and women in the Church have come by way of his direction. If so then you will know that the differences serve a purpose in his plan. But as with any question we ask God we must be willing to accept the answer wholeheartedly and without reservation.

When Satan goes to bed at night, he checks under his bed for Elder Holland.

People have difficulty distinguishing between patriotism and nationalism.  

I think any BYU or U of U student who is reading their course guides and listening to their lecturers should have some idea of what tests are coming their way and what they will be about. Perhaps Elder Kimball at the time he said this talking to the students at the University of Deseret?   

I am sad to report that I had a HORRIBLE experience at the specialty store.  Those people are a bunch of SNOBS and a half.  I begin to suspect something was not quite right when I walked in the door, the shopkeeper looked up, then looked right back down to something she was reading.  No smile, no greeting.  I was the only one at the store (I came in 20 minutes before closing).  I browsed around - the fountain pen selection was quite impressive (for a newbie like me) - and my eyes even bulged at a Lamy fountain pen for $549.  That's FIVE HUNDRED FORTY-NINE DOLLARS.  Of course it was the one that I liked... medium point, big barrel, full metal jacket.
Anyway, I asked a few questions and she seemed completely uninterested in talking to me so I left the store empty handed.  I'm gonna go back there wearing my fancy (read: snobbery resistant) outfit and see if I get better treatment.  Maybe park my fancy car right by the front window.  I'm getting daydreams of Pretty Woman...
Oh, I found out something from that store.  There's such a thing as fountain pen friendly paper.  I think it was called Craft & Co or something.
Anyway, I went over to my handy dandy Staples and got a serviceable (read: I didn't see them at that snobby store) fountain pen.  And yes, I told @zil that I'm only going to buy one but I can't decide between the narrow-barreled metal pen and the wide barreled plastic pen, so I ended up walking out of the store with both.  Can't find no Craft & Co paper at Staples.  Seems like they only sell fancy printer paper.  So, I just went ahead and grabbed foil letterhead paper and hope it works.  I'm a bit intimidated by it so I haven't tried my pens yet.  My husband is looking at me funny...
So here they are:  The metal one is a Franklin Covey, the other one is a Pentel Tradio.  Both are medium point.  Doesn't really say how many mm's in the box and the paper that came with have super tiny letters that I can't read it even with my reading glasses on.
And you know what else?  I got me a penpal in Spain!  He's gonna be the recipient of my first fountain pen mileage.  Wish me luck!
P.S. The Spaniard is also a fountain pen enthusiast.  Well, actually, he says he only goes with serviceable fountain pens but he goes crazy with the inks.  He says he can't wait to try out his brand spanking new Pelikan Edelstein Mandarin and Smokey Quartz on his letter to me.  Whatever those are...

A topic about fountain pens?!?! I'm shocked that the rules of Mormon Hub allow for such an offensive and disgusting topic! Surely its time for a rule rewrite. And not only a topic, but some replies to it as well! Surely this must be the test that @The Folk Prophet was referring to. I note that when God wrote on the tablets of stone that he gave to Moses, He did not use a fountain pen and when Nephi engraved the plates of brass and when Moroni engraved the gold plates, they also did not use fountain pens. When Martin Harris and Oliver Cowdery scribed for Joseph Smith they did not use fountain pens. Clearly these men of God recognised them for the instruments of evil that they are. 
 
Here is how God wants us to write in the latter days.

I note that the profession of our beloved prophet was a printer who used printers all his life to produce words, not fountain pens.

I'm not sure I even know what a fountain pen is.  Time to google.

Lol you're right on both counts. Clever Zil. I'm only vaguely aware that they are programmable.

Hi and welcome In Idaho.  A few things:
- You are not alone.  You're not the first person to deal with a husband with an issue like that.  You're not the first person to mess up the way you did.  
- Kudos on getting counseling, and yes indeed, go confess to your bishop.  Be as open and transparent as possible - your bishop will help you.  
- "he's been off and on doing well with his addiction"  This is code for "my husband's addiction is totally out of control".  Do you have any LDS-based recovery groups in your area?  There may even be a recovery group for spouses of addicts.  It's something to ask your bishop.  But yeah, you need to learn some things about addiction, and one of those things is there's no such thing as "off and on doing well".  There's "he is getting help, and it has been X months since the last time".  
- You have a path to walk, to be worthy of his trust.  You walk your walk, and he walks his.  Both of you will need to walk your individual walks, in order for your marriage to succeed.  
- Forgiveness is important.  But it's critical to understand what forgiveness means, and what it doesn't.  You can forgive, and still understand he is not worthy of trust.  Forgiveness is something you give, but trust is something he must earn.  You can't force yourself to extend trust - I suggest you don't try.  You can admit you have zero trust in him.  That's healthy.  You can think about whether it's appropriate to trust him.  It's totally healthy and righteous to have the answer be "no".   God doesn't expect you to ignore destructive harm, that's not what forgiveness means.    If/when he hears about your infidelity, you can see how this stuff will work both ways. 
God bless and good luck!  Let us know how things go with your bishop appointment.
 

Apparently not.  Maybe the Aussies will save the queen!
(P.S. - say hi to the lovely missus and the awesome kids for me!)

By way of interest, without in any way seeking to further the discussion, I note that the exact same quote used at the start of this discussion was also quoted directly by Elder Benson in the Saturday morning session of the October 1963 General Conference
 
Those of us who think ". . . all is well in Zion . . ." (2 Nephi 28:21) in spite of Book of Mormon warning might ponder the words of Heber C. Kimball when he said, "Yes, we think we are secure here in the chambers of these everlasting hills . . . but I want to say to you, my brethren, the time is coming when we will be mixed up in these now peaceful valleys to that extent that it will be difficult to tell the face of a Saint from the face of an enemy against the people of God. Then is the time to look out for the great sieve, for there will be a great sifting time, and many will fall. For I say unto you there is a test, a Test, a TEST coming." (Heber C. Kimball, 1856. Quoted by J. Golden Kimball, Conference Report, October 1930, pp. 59-60.)

I hate to break it to you, Doc, but people expect their lawyers to be criminals and hope desperately that their doctors aren't.

Jeffery R. Holland reviewed this question in significant detail in his book "Christ and the New Covenant". Here is some of what he said:  
The entire first four chapters of Either can be seen as a guide to gaining faith a rending the veil. First the brother of Jared hears the Lord, he then sees him in a cloud, he finally sees his finger and then his entire body. Because of his faith and the promises the Lord has made to him he cannot be kept within the veil. We are invited to do the same. Moroni quoting the Lord says, "Behold, when ye shall rend that veil of unbelief which doth cause you to remain in your awful state of wickedness, and hardness of heart, and blindness of mind, then shall the great and marvelous things which have been hid up from the foundation of the world from you—yea, when ye shall call upon the Father in my name, with a broken heart and a contrite spirit, then shall ye know that the Father hath remembered the covenant which he made unto your fathers, O house of Israel." (Ether 4:15). 

Yes, excellent point. The difference I see is that Adam is bringing himself and others into the Lord's presence while the Lord brought Himself into the brother of Jared's presence: He showed Himself to the brother of Jared, and that only after the veil was taken off the brother of Jared's eyes, so great was his faith. A subtle difference in protocol perhaps, but quite a significant difference in the faith expressed and involved. This may be due, in part, because the brother of Jared did not have seven generations of living covenant community nor the personal association with father of the human race to bolster his faith, as Adam's posterity did in the valley of Adam-ondi-Ahman.
Edit: another difference is that the events in the valley of Adam-ondi-Ahman were planned and very intentional; the brother of Jared's experience was quite spontaneous, and an unexpected fruit of his faith.

>,< You and @skippy740 called it. He had intended to call me as an FHE something or nother but with my schedule, it kind of makes things difficult. So, he called me as the ward indexer instead. I am relieved and a bit excited to get started.
@Grunt The anxiety has very little to do with the bishop, so, please don't take my reactions as being indicative of members reactions as a whole towards their bishops. I fact, it is because I have been so close with my branch presidents/bishops in the past that I am feeling so anxious right now. I've had a conversation with this bishop once before and then I stopped coming to church frequently. The last time I stopped attending church, it was by choice and I went inactive for 8 years. He probably has no idea about my history but I was anxious about everybody thinking this was "Falling Away II" or something. Because it makes me sad to have to work on Sundays at all, and missing church on top of it? I didn't want this man whom doesn't know me very well to assume that I didn't care or wasn't trying. And it was my own stress and expectations that led me to be so anxious about this "vague meeting" with the Bishop. Not him nor his station. The topic of the thread too was indicative of my stress about "I'm not doing what I am supposed to be doing right now and everybody will assume it's because I'm being deliberately bad!!! Oh no!!!" insecurities.
My bishop is such a loving and kind man and I could see it in his face as he deliberated right in front of me what he could give me to do. Because he loves me and cares about me and doesn't want to lose me. He wants me to feel included and connected and I just truly appreciate him being a man worthy of inspiration from the Spirit like that. Thak you all for the encouragement and being patient with me, lol.