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I'm trying to figure out why the argument. Like I tell my kids when they start to argue about something that hasn't happened or is still TBD - There is no point! "If" two hour church happens - some people will find it a blessing because of the business of Sunday, some people may not -it's okay. 3 hour 1 hour, 12 hours - it's tradition that is changing not doctrine. I do think it interesting the comments President Eyring said in the conference in Washington on Saturday. - As for the heads up - President Eyring said this last Saturday - “God is an unchangeable God, but as the church moves to every nation and people, and in the last days, we can expect and take joy in new messages coming from God through the Prophet. “The gospel will not change, but we will need personal revelation to feel the hand of the Lord when practical ways of doing things are changed by the Lord through His prophet.“It will also take personal revelation to see that a new way of doing things is better than the ways we have enjoyed.” — President Henry B Eyring There are going to be a bunch of changes this conference and from rumors I have heard it's not stopping then. Just because some changes benefit us immediately and others do not, it's okay - we are all blessed when we move the work forward. If less church is what moves the work forward then, lets do it!

Yeah more rope. The higher law is always more rope - more agency. So instead of spending an extra hour in church i believe the focus will go to teaching in the family at home. The best place to learn is in the family. Now i have kids of all ages and this may be tough at times and harder to accomplish but there is also a higher reward. I read a rumor awhile back that the brethren have wanted to go to 2 hour church for awhile but that they were worried some members would just go home and watch more football- that is still going to happen for some The other rumor i have heard is that the church wants smaller wards and stakes - in parts of AZ we did this in 2016 - not sure if we were a pilot program but if you wanted smaller wards in some places you need more space and the way to accomplish that is 2 hour church.

I totally see it going to 4 hours. For those who want to go to 2 wards each Sunday... Really though, as i expect 2hour church to be announced. It will be more time to sit around or watch football for those who don’t apply it correctly but for those who take the challenge to minister - it will require more work and sacrifice- it’s a higher law. This has been a step y step process. First, we focused on keeping the sabbath day holy and then, ministering. Now we will take the reigns off and see how we do with what we learned. I heard one rumor that the brethren wanted to go to 2 hour church awhile ago but were worried that some would just go home and watch an extra hour of football. Well, if this change happens, itwill be up to us on what we do with that extra time.

All the chatter is 2 hour block and I don't think it's wishful thinking this go around. The 2 hour block correlates directly with the changes to Sunday School program. I believe it all is announced at conference and changed Jan 1st. I think this go around we see many changes. I think the next go around we see more again.

I would agree that handbook 2 doesn't spell it out (I don't think 1 does either), but that is actually how it works. The default is 1st then 2nd unless the bishop were to assign differently - I don't know why he would he chose who would delegate when he picked them 1 and 2. I don't think I have ever seen it in any capacity of the church from first presidency to any deacons quorum where roles were reversed - my only guess would be if there was a worthiness issue, or some other unnatural cause which would incapacitate a person. I think the main reason for the handbook to say counselors is because the bishop does choose counselors to preside over different auxiliaries and programs to his discretion and I have seen these mixed up often. I do agree that they are equal in responsibility and authority as neither one has more opportunity or capacity than the other but the 1st will preside over the 2nd when the bishop is out of town.

Really, the only difference is that when the bishop is gone the 1st counselor presides and runs things under the direction of the bishop. Other than that - it's pretty much up to the bishop on how he wants to delegate to his counselors. It's common for 1st - to be over the youth, 2nd to be over primary/Sunday school/scouting - there are a bunch of other things they are over but these are some of the main things.

I was a big proponant of feet on the ground for missionary work in all the world but this has changed my mind: From Elder Bednar: Please now listen to the voice of President Spencer W. Kimball, recorded in 1974, as he described the future of missionary work: "I believe that the Lord is anxious to put into our hands inventions of which we laymen have hardly had a glimpse. … “With the Lord providing these miracles of communication, and with the increased efforts and devotion of our missionaries and all of us, and all others who are ‘sent,’ surely the divine injunction will come to pass: ‘For, verily, the sound must go forth from this place into all the world, and unto the uttermost parts of the earth—the gospel must be preached unto every creature’ (D&C 58:64)” (“When the World Will Be Converted,” Ensign, Oct. 1974, 10–11). His talk was basically that of flooding the earth with the gospel - by social media. Also, I believe the 144,000 go out and finish up the preaching to all nations and the Jerusalem get's the gospel last - When the Savior bails them out. As for how close are we - I think very, very close. The signs are all around us - the work is hastening. I heard one rumor recently that in part of Europe wards had received a letter about harvest ending soon. President Nelson gave a great talk on Millennials - he said they were called that for a reason. Another rumor I heard was that a general authority said that each prophet has a purpose and the purpose of President Nelson was to prepare the youth for the 2nd coming. - I only spread these rumors because I think there are members that don't give the 2nd coming much thought and thinks 100 plus years away. I don't know when but wouldn't be shocked if it was in the next 10-20 years and if that is the case we have tribulation, and a lot of things that will be happening. Just look at the changes going on in the church and that are yet to come - we will become a more zion people as the world becomes wicked. Pieces are being put in place - it's awesome!

The prophet has every right to weigh in on every subject especially politics. I have seen a few upset members (mostly less active) voice their unhappiness with the church on facebook on this subject. I think with Elder Nelson, and in the coming days, the church leadership will be more vocal and there will be more members who get upset because it disagrees with their personal beliefs. It happened long ago, it happens today and will happen in the future.

Seriously / call the stake president. This is the last thing he needs getting out of hand and it needs to be nipped in the bus ASAP. I served in a high council for years and trust me the stake president will listen and if not anything at least bring it up to the bishop which should put him on alert I would also set the rule if the Bishop is going to text your wife it’s a group text with you or a counselor included. All meetings your Bishop has with our wife can include you or a counselor as well. The Bishop should respect you and your relationship above all and if he can’t there are probably 20 other women who can be RP. When i was in leadership for years and years my wife would read all my texts to see what was going on / i had johig to hide and she trusted me but she would just check what was going on. Now i read all her texts to see what is going on - no trust issues but we just keep tabs and it goes both ways. Wish you the best!

You need to contact the stake president. I know i am only hearing one side of the story but as a husband to a relief society president but having also served in a bishopric - if even 1/10th of what happened to you happened to me i would take it straight to the stake President. Oh and hugs - that’s a huge no no in our stake. We had he stake president do a training for bishoprics about 6 months ago and specifically said to stop hugging people i was there. It was 10 min of saying how not too offend but do everything possible to shake hands for guys or girls.

I don't know all the laws and regulations but I have had several nephews abuse cousins in different counties and based on age - not major stuff but the consequences were different depending on what county they resided in. In some counties there was no choice of not pressing charges, and in others it wasn't as harsh. I will 2nd the motion that your daughter is going to need counseling in a major way and it may not manifest itself now but it will eventually so better to work on it sooner than later. Your son is young, he needs help as it gets more serious as he gets older. Good chance he may never serve a mission, but it's more important that he just gets his life in order. Although kids at this age do know what they are doing they don't really understand. Wish you the best in this ordeal - it's probably going to be the hardest thing your family goes through.

From my understanding it’s a 5 year wait in this situation. Prayers for her- she probably needs them more than anyone.

We have had that problem in the Phoenix temple. I know for awhile they were asking youth not to do baptisms with died hair as it was getting on towels, clothes and it was in the water so everyone and everything was changing colors. - Another option is that she just does confirmations. My 11 year old died her tips pink - she turns 12 in 7 weeks. I told her to enjoy it while it lasted as it was a no no once she turned 12 because of the temple. Luckily she understands and the pink is almost gone now with her knowing it's not coming back - she has been okay with it, - Good luck!

Perspective of my brother-in-law and his conversion story - He joined the church and found himself in a very similar situation other than his mom and step dad were Christians. They did not want him to go on a mission and didn't want anything to do with the church - h went anyway. While on his mission his parents never wrote him. His brother would take a red pen, correct all the grammatical errors and send the letter back without ever writing anything to him either. Half way through his mission his mother came to visit him. He was excited to see her, and she sat down with him at lunch and asked him if he was done messing around and ready to come home. She was still mad that he was on a mission. OF course he finished his mission, was very very, successful in baptizing, AP all that. - About 5-10 years after he got home got married and had kids, his parents hearts softened - They joined the church and are very, very active and have been for some 20 years now. His brother never joined but is very favorable to the church. Family is always first and despite what I or anyone else says - if the Lord is calling you on a mission it will work out. It will be for the better. Serving may be hard at times but it will be worth it and the Lord will soften your parents hearts eventually.

I am going to save this story for my 3 daughters who are of teenage years to show them the importance of dating and marriage. Sorry for your experience but thanks for sharing - most people don't understand the heartache of choices in the teenage years. My only advice is - fast pray and seek confirmation from the spirit on what to do.

I would just echo what has been said - it's case by case and up to the bishop which means it's up to the Lord. Here are the possibilities - With time and inactivity confession to the bishop may be enough Possible disciplinary court is held where you could receive informal probation, probation, dis-fellowship or excommunication. A few factors - being a convert and not growing up in the gospel may help your cause, having gone through the temple and having made covenants is more serious. The above is just the logistics of possibilities. I have been in many courts like this and I am amazed at the love that is felt, the respect that is felt for the person who is repenting and the healing power of the atonement. You may not even get to a court but if you do, don't stress you will come out 100% better. You are on the right track and those promptings are for your good. Good Luck!!!

The Lord stretches us especially in some callings, but part of that stretching is being able to learn how to balance your life. If you are getting the burn out it's time to have a 1 to 1 inventory with the Lord and see what needs to go and what needs to stay. I know you are not leaving the church but there is a sifting going on so hang in there, even if it means cutting back your calling so you can manage your life and not let go due to burnout.

Hard to say what to do as it's hard for you to share all that is going on. If you spoke with the bishop and your wife and they realized what they were doing and fixed the problem, I would say the issue is solved. However, if you feel the need to go to the stake president then do so, he will probably talk to the bishop and if he see's an issue may even warn other bishops to be careful - which they should be doing. It also may be appropriate to counsel with your wife about her being released from the calling. I can't remember which prophet said it but they said it's better to be trusted than to loved. There will be no trust while your wife and bishop are working together. It's going to be hard until one of them are released and the two are not working together. My wife is the relief society president. As much as she has to communicate with the bishop I would have a hard time if I couldn't trust her. That being said when I served in the bishopric and had to work close to the primary president or other sisters, I would gain a friendship with them and we would joke around and text but never "ever" anything their husbands wouldn't be okay with and once the calling ended the communication stopped. Good luck!

I served my mission in Puerto Rico - had a missionary that would take off his garment top in his sleep because he was hot. He always felt guilty when he would wake up with it off. Eventually he got use to it - I thought it was kind of funny. You will get use to it - keep at it.

The role of the primary president is to help the children feel the love of God - Sounds like a lot of personal struggles going on. Talking to the bishop would be the correct step.

It's an exercise of faith and agency when we pray for things we/others need. In youth interviews I would often teach that the Lord has an armful of blessings and as you live and keep the commandments he is obligated and blesses you with some of those blessings. But part of that armful of blessings are blessings that you have to ask for, or you don't get them. Sure God knows what you need but that doesn't mean they are automatic. I also think as we perfect our prayers, we will be lead by the spirit on things to pray for aligning our will with the Father. Another level of asking is to include fasting - this shows forth more faith to the father with increased results. Just like some were too lazy to look at the serpent and be healed, some are too lazy to pray for what they need.

I believe the LDS church holds all the truth in regards to salvation. However, many truth's are found in other religions. You will just not find a truth in another religion that is not found in the LDS church. All that being said, I have learned many things from those of other religions and that is due to my own limitations and also the grace of God. One example of this is a current convert in our ward that opened my eyes more to grace. I then searched the topic of grace more in my studies and what I found was that it was all there and more but without that recent convert I wouldn't have had the desire to gain more knowledge on a subject. We can all build each other, despite our beliefs.

Howard W. Hunter — 'Being happily and successfully married is generally not so much a matter of marrying the right person as it is being the right person.'

I'm a loan officer. Yes 50% is pretty common for an approval on your debt to income and in some cases with different loans I see some approvals go to 56% and sometimes beyond . Lending is not as crazy as it use to be, but the real potential problem is not when a person making 4k a month and spends 2k on a mortgage with little to no savings. Most people walked away from their homes because they looked at it as a poor investment and didn't see it as a value to continue paying on their mortgage. Negative amortization loans blew up on people and things got worse with unemployment was high. If values drop again you will see a bubble, although I don't perceive it will be as bad, unless the economy implodes and it's worse than what we saw 10 years ago. If things continue to boom we are more likely to see a larger bust as things can't go up forever.

Ha Ha - Now we are all sitting around waiting for disaster to strike our ministering families so we can rise up to the occasion Maybe Elder Hollands talk a few years back about being better home teachers wasn't enough to help members realize they had been doing home teaching wrong. I do admit I am sometimes guilty of the check-mark. hopefully we all do a little better but in all reality there are some who were already ministering and don't need to change but for the rest of us yahoo's a little re branding and focus is probably needed.