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    Traveler got a reaction from Backroads in Is school just a hoop to jump through?   
    I do not want you to feel bad about your profession - but I learned more of how to deal with life in two months of basic training in the army than I did in K-12 of public schools and 6 years of college.  I may be the exception because I am dyslexic and learned to read and write on my own (but still rely a great deal on spell check).  I was able to get a strong background in science from school - but I either was the smartest or dumbest kid in any of my school classes.
    I believe an education should help make someone useful and able to function in society - I am not sure that is what education is attempting in our society.    I am quite sure that what happens outside of the classroom has a far greater impact on the success of our next generations.
     
    The Traveler 
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    Traveler reacted to Connie in Forgiveness   
    This video suggests that there are different levels of forgiveness that one can give based on the level of remorse expressed by the person in need of forgiveness. My question is for any Christian, LDS or otherwise. Do you think the ideas about forgiveness in this video are compatible with the gospel of Jesus Christ and what He taught about forgiveness? Why or why not?
     
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    Traveler reacted to estradling75 in Forgiveness   
    The Lord's tells us the following
    Since we commonly think the Lord means what the video called Exoneration.  This sound very hard but then in the very next verse he gives more detail on how we are to forgive by saying
    Now when I read that verse... that does not sound like an Exoneration or Forbearance (As the video described the terms) to me.  That sounds like what they called Release to me.  Let God deal with it does not mean the slate has been wiped clean, but rather that you have passed the slate to God to do whatever he wants to with it.
    That would be my take on it.  That would and is how I would teach some one that for whatever reason was struggling to Forgive.  So while there are some details one could quibble about I generally do not thing the ideas in the video is out of line.
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    Traveler reacted to Vort in Anyone Else Watching The Mandalorian?   
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    Traveler got a reaction from NeuroTypical in Anyone Else Watching The Mandalorian?   
    I am a little shy from posting on this thread.  Mostly I like SiFi but have to swallow the reality that today's SiFi is like 99% fiction .9% fantasy and less than .1% science or any resemblance of reality.  For me the Mandalorian is basically a old western with magic and stuff that does not relate to anything.  I find the episodes similar to Hallmark movies in that you pretty much know the entire plot before the opening seen is half over.   To be honest I am a little tired of the difference between the good guys and the bad guys is that the bad guys are violent and treat everybody with contempt and the good guys only treat the bad guys with violence and contempt.  
    However, I would rate the Mandalorian above the local and national news as an accurate depiction of reality - especially CNN.   I do not rate the Mandalorian as quite the level as Star Trek Discovery.  I am of the mind that you can tell a great deal about a person and society by what they find entertaining and what they pursue when what they are pursuing does not matter.
     
    The Traveler
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    Traveler got a reaction from NeedleinA in Liberal Ideas Creeping In   
    May I first say that I think that your thinking is flawed - especial about college degrees.  My life experience is that if one is to take 10 individuals at random in any profession (doctor, lawyer, teacher, professor, carpenter, mechanic, electrician, engineer, basketball player, musician or whatever --- you will get individuals whose abilities are vastly different.  In short the best of the 10 will be greatly superior the the worst of the 10.  Even when they have the same college degree from the same college.
    It appears to me that everyone wants to be judged as an individual - that what makes them different is important to them.  That seldom does anyone want to be compartmentalized as the same as everybody else.  Everybody's journey is important and also different and sometimes the differences can be as important at the journey.  
    It is interesting that no one wants to be judged as the same as others but then will object to being judged as different.  Seldom have I encountered a poor performer that thinks that they are the poor performer.  Usually, people think that they are the above average performer.   And then when faced directly with their poor performances; make the excuse that they had more important issues they were dealing with. 
    A little story as an example.  I built a deck around a tramp we have in our yard this summer.  The tramp is an octagon and created very difficult angles for the deck - plus the lumber used for the framing was not perfect.  Often things did not line up.  Several times I was willing to let something be what is was but my wife wanted perfection.  Many times she would say that she knew I could do a particular thing better.  I ended up taking apart those imperfections and doing it over again.  In reality I spent more time correcting mistakes than I did the overall building.  But, the now completed deck, is flawless despite all the individual angles that did not line up because of imperfect building materials - especially against the back wall that runs along the property line that is skew to everything else.  (I had to rip three 20 foot Trek decking boards by hand at an angle that was not straight)
    I am convinced that those that go through life with nothing but themselves to guide them end up with something inferior to those that are guided by experts that have gone on before adding to the experts before them - but the poor performers will never admit it to anyone else - and often not even themselves.  It is almost always the poorest performers that most object to being judged.
     
    The Traveler
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    Traveler reacted to Vort in Liberal Ideas Creeping In   
    Sure you're allowed to speak hypothetically. Your phrasing didn't look hypothetical to me; it looked like a flat statement, an observation of fact.
    These are excellent questions, especially when asked sincerely and not rhetorically. In my view, your comparison is not invalid. It is not the comparison model, but rather its application, to which I object.
    People's spiritual journeys are of necessity unique, just as the individual circumstances and the individuals themselves are unique. But saying that a person is unique from all others does not imply that the person is essentially different from all others. Their body chemistry is not utterly unique, for example. The construction of their heart valves is not alien to all others. The neurological symbols by which their brain analyzes and understands the world is not essentially different from other human beings. Their legs do not grow out of the tops of their heads.
    People are unique the way snowflakes are unique. We can appreciate the individualized beauty of a snowflake without ever supposing that this particular snowflake, because if its differences, may perhaps survive being warmed to twenty degrees above the melting point of water. It won't, ever. That is not the nature of snowflakes.
    Man is bound by the laws of physics. Man is also bound by the laws of spirit, not because God has set up arbitrary bounds that we must toe for no better reason than that God said so, but because they are a description of reality. The laws of spiritual life and growth are not subject to the same kind of blind testing as the laws of physics, but both sets of laws describe reality. We can no more challenge the laws of spiritual growth than an infant suckling at his mother's breast can challenge the laws of Einsteinian mechanics, nor (IMO) do we have any more insight into the deficiencies of the spiritual model we are given than the infant does into the physical model mentioned. Our best course of action in all cases is to learn and follow the spiritual law, not kick against it.
    I think I agree with your statement above, but I leave some wiggle room because I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "judging the character of other people". You seemed to say that judging Jane Smith's decision to pursue her career as being a bad decision is wrong in all cases, that somehow we as outside entities are incapable of rendering any such judgment in a just manner. This is not judging the character of others, but judging best from not best. The suggestion that we are unable and unjustified in ever judging the decisions or the reasons behind the state of another person is naked nihilism, which I utterly reject.
    No one is suggesting that they themselves are perfect. I may well be guilty of judgmentalism; if so, I must repent of that failing. I don't believe I am guilty of that, but I acknowledge the possibility. I have done such evils before, and worse. But if I must walk a line between judgmentalism and nihilism, I prefer to err on the side of being somewhat too ready to judge rather than fall into the paralysis of being unwilling to call a spade a spade.
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    Traveler reacted to Fether in Video - Heavenly Father's Plan   
    Unlike gender, I can’t think of any reference that suggests ethnicity is an eternal attribute we had in  pre earth life, nor be carried to the afterlife.
    I suspect skin color is purely a product of evolution in mortality to form whatever attributes needed to survive or formed via cultural diets.
     
    Much like how today, humans are taller, live longer, are fatter, etc.
    I remember reading about a tribe in some remote corner of the world whose feet could spread out like a human hand. This was due to generations and generations of climbing trees (or something like that). When they die, I imagine their spirits and resurrected bodies would be reformed to match the reality of what God looks like.
    I suspect that when we die, there won’t be any skin colors. Now don’t think I am suggesting we will be see through, rather, the concept of skin color will be so far from our mind that we won’t even think of it. 
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    Traveler got a reaction from JohnsonJones in Censorship?   
    Regardless of what someone claims they believe - there is no justice between birth and death.  Without the belief of an afterlife where all that commit injustices in this life will be held accountable - no one can claim that they believe in justice or that justice exist or is in any way that justice is connected to reality.   But it is also interesting to me that many that claim to be religious and believe in an afterlife; believe that they will not be held to any accountability because they believe in G-d.
    Sadly most believe justice is only something that applies to others - especially others that they do not love all that much.
    As for election fraud - the one thing Trump has done is make the world aware that it happens in the USA.  But even worse there is no force within our government to keep election fraud from happening.  And like so many things concerning politics and law - the risk of punishment in politics is out of balance with the rewards for breaking the laws - and I personally doubt it is going to change until both parties want it changed because citizens demand it be changed.  Most citizens still believe there is not enough fraud to change an election.  My question is - why would anyone do it - if it does not work?  No one takes risks without believing and expecting it will work.
     
    The Traveler
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    Traveler reacted to NeedleinA in Liberal Ideas Creeping In   
    Elder Dallin H. Oaks in a talked entitled, Judge Not and Judging said:
     
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    Traveler got a reaction from NeedleinA in Liberal Ideas Creeping In   
    I have pondered what it means to judge and have come to the conclusion that this principle is one of the most misquoted and misused principles in scripture.  I believe it would be better termed as condemn not rather than judge not.  In a sense even "not judging" is a form of judgment.  Likewise - so is ministering, helping and having compassion, a type of judgment.  It is impossible to trust, honor, make a friend, being a support or to be aware of someone without some level of judgment.  Just caring is a level of judgment.
    There are other problems with the attitude of not judging that has to do with "Agency" and choice or if you will freedom and liberty.  Agency is not just a choice between possibilities.  Someone is not exercising agency unless they are selecting outcome as well - and that requires judgment.  The human brain is wired to project a desired outcome as part of a choice.  The layman term for this is expectation or dream.  Sometime (quite often) our human expectations (dreams) are unrealistic and based in falsehoods. 
    In our society a new term has started to be used - it is called "shaming".  What any particular person sees as shaming can be very revealing.   Often it is an effort to shame someone else that recognizes poor judgments in their personal lives. 
    I believe that judgment or condemnation that we are commanded not to conduct is in essence the "Final Judgment" to which one is confined to whatever glory in the resurrection.  This is why  using "damning"  references or terms is considered swearing or a lying tongue and a sin unbecoming a Saint of G-d - even we we are "damning" things we are unhappy with.
    And now I wish to make a most important point in the conclusion of this post.  The single most common denominator in the recognized genus of our society it not the abilities of a particular genus - the most common element is that geniuses are mentored.   Genus is created and  made better by someone breaking down and teaching them what to do and accomplish (achieve) and what not to do and not accomplish.  Those that cannot abide criticism will never achieve greatness but will muddle instead in mediocrity and failure.   Jesus Christ is the example of how to mentor.  
    I have had many mentors in my life.  The best mentors are examples.  They know and understand the better choices because they have made better choices and repented of the poorer choices.  But sadly most are inclined to look for mentors that will tell them what they want to hear rather than what the should or could hear to improve.
     
    The Traveler
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    Traveler got a reaction from NeedleinA in Liberal Ideas Creeping In   
    I have pondered what it means to judge and have come to the conclusion that this principle is one of the most misquoted and misused principles in scripture.  I believe it would be better termed as condemn not rather than judge not.  In a sense even "not judging" is a form of judgment.  Likewise - so is ministering, helping and having compassion, a type of judgment.  It is impossible to trust, honor, make a friend, being a support or to be aware of someone without some level of judgment.  Just caring is a level of judgment.
    There are other problems with the attitude of not judging that has to do with "Agency" and choice or if you will freedom and liberty.  Agency is not just a choice between possibilities.  Someone is not exercising agency unless they are selecting outcome as well - and that requires judgment.  The human brain is wired to project a desired outcome as part of a choice.  The layman term for this is expectation or dream.  Sometime (quite often) our human expectations (dreams) are unrealistic and based in falsehoods. 
    In our society a new term has started to be used - it is called "shaming".  What any particular person sees as shaming can be very revealing.   Often it is an effort to shame someone else that recognizes poor judgments in their personal lives. 
    I believe that judgment or condemnation that we are commanded not to conduct is in essence the "Final Judgment" to which one is confined to whatever glory in the resurrection.  This is why  using "damning"  references or terms is considered swearing or a lying tongue and a sin unbecoming a Saint of G-d - even we we are "damning" things we are unhappy with.
    And now I wish to make a most important point in the conclusion of this post.  The single most common denominator in the recognized genus of our society it not the abilities of a particular genus - the most common element is that geniuses are mentored.   Genus is created and  made better by someone breaking down and teaching them what to do and accomplish (achieve) and what not to do and not accomplish.  Those that cannot abide criticism will never achieve greatness but will muddle instead in mediocrity and failure.   Jesus Christ is the example of how to mentor.  
    I have had many mentors in my life.  The best mentors are examples.  They know and understand the better choices because they have made better choices and repented of the poorer choices.  But sadly most are inclined to look for mentors that will tell them what they want to hear rather than what the should or could hear to improve.
     
    The Traveler
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    Traveler reacted to mirkwood in We all need some humor   
    My nephew (Kale) is living with us right now until he gets married in March.  He has been staying in our guest room which has needed a new mattress.  We finally got one yesterday.  My son was on his computer and I walk past him dragging the old mattress out of the room and the house.  He has a puzzled look on his face and asks what I am doing.  I respond, "Kale has pissed me off, so he can sleep on the box springs."  I keep dragging the mattress past him.  I wish I could describe the look on my son's face!
     
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    Traveler got a reaction from Still_Small_Voice in What should we do to "Save the Constitution" that is definitely hanging by a thread?   
    Like the COVID-19 struggle there is antidotal evidence that surfaces from time to time and distracts from the core problems and possible solutions.  We have spent almost an entire year taking many "wrong" steps and not learning much from it.  I grew up in a wealthy family with a father that believed poverty produced better citizens than riches - so I was raised thinking I had to work to help support our "poor" family.  When I became an adult I discovered the wealth of my family.  My father owned millions in real estate.  I learned that investing in real estate is a matter of recognizing long term trends.  Evolution is a natural course of everything - everything changes.  The wisdom of life is recognizing the trends of change.
    I have observed a trend of violence in our society.  This is not new but has always been a trend of those seeking power over others.  As a parent we can see violence take hold in children and quickly get out of hand.  It is common among children to gaslight violence - that is to blame the victims of our individual violence for the violence we inflict upon them.   It begins by blaming our anger on those we are angry with.   In a society of trending and escalating violence it is easy to find antidotal evidence to blame as initiating the violence.  But lets be honest.  It was not a Trump supporter that went to a event of democratic party members preparing for a softball game and opened up with violent gun fire.  It was a support of the democratic party.  In recent years there have been riots - burning down and destroying of struggling small business.  This has not been at the hands of supporters of "conservative" ideals.  This is not to deny that conservatives have not been involved in demonstrations but whenever there has been violence there have been supporters of the democratic party.  Perhaps antidotal evidence of a rogue conservative can be pointed to - but lets us be clear the trend among democratic supports is violence.  It is not hard to see which political party encourages and support violence.
    The sad thing about violence is that it does work.  It is easer to force others to conform to an ideal and get quicker results with violence.  But the problem is that as violence becomes a way or the way of establishing what anyone thinks is justice - the result is less justice.  The most unjust way to solve social problems is war.  No one wins with violence and war.  But eventually those that loose a war will suffer the greatest loses. 
    I am of the mind that the violence in our society will eventually bring about civil war.  Regardless of the outcome - our country (and justice) will be lost and the only possible good will be if some can find a way to a way to rebuild a society with justice without violence.
    If there is voter fraud - and I know there is.  We must unite as a people to end it or our freedoms and liberties will be lost.  Voter fraud is not new - it is not new to the world and it is not new to the USA.  But the trend is towards increases in greater wide spread fraud.   I am sad and disappointed that the Supreme Court did not provide a forum to address voter fraud.  It would have been better to lay it all out and say what is acceptable and what is not acceptable in an election in this country.  Ignoring concerns or dismissing them without legal consideration will tear a society apart.  If this country is to become united we must communicate and address concerns - not to argue but to find solutions - and the possibility of solutions is fading - especially in light of violence and destruction of property (including statues in public places).  Voter fraud should not be a concern of an individual party - it should be the concern of every citizen devoted to justice, liberty and freedom.
    It is my personal opinion that anyone caught and convicted of voter fraud should never be allowed to hold any public office or trust and should never be allowed to ever vote again in any election process.  And I believe voter fraud starts with the misuse of campaign funds - both in raising and distributing of campaign funds.  We think of voting as a right - but the reality it is the privilege of a people attempting to preserve freedoms and liberties all citizens of a society. 
     
    The Traveler
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    Traveler got a reaction from JohnsonJones in The Law of Consecration and Stewardship   
    I thought to bring up another idea as we work our way through this thread.  One of the ordinances of the Church is the consecration of oil.  This is a sacred and holy ordinance that makes the consecrated oil unique.  Consecrated oil should not be used for cooking or other non sacred things.  Consecration means that the oil is blessed and dedicated to sacred use of religious (divine) nature.  Money paid in tithing and offerings is given the term "Consecrated Monies" within the Church.  This is one of the reasons that someone cannot pay tithing on gambling or lottery winnings - Such ways of acquiring money is contrary to the divine order of such things or behaviors of a Saint.  Certain "earnings" cannot be consecrated.
    This means that money donated to the Church becomes sacred in the same way of thinking that consecrated oil is sacred.  This means that the money received should be earned and donated according to sacred covenant.   Likewise those that receive, use and otherwise handle consecrated money - should do so according to covenant.  I contend that this is the spirit and the letter of the law and that all involved are bound by covenant.  We may call it the law of tithing. fast offering, missionary fund or whatever but in essence all such things are included in the Law of Consecration.
     
    The Traveler
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    Traveler reacted to Suzie in Liberal Ideas Creeping In   
    I watched most of the video and I don't see anything wrong with it. It is obviously a channel that is sharing commentary and/or opinion. 
    I have a career which I enjoy immensely and have worked very hard to achieve. It is a blessing in my life because it allows me to help people. Having said that, I have been a stay-at-home mom in the past as well. I loved it very much and I have nothing but great respect and admiration for stay-at-home moms.
     
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    Traveler got a reaction from JohnsonJones in Censorship?   
    Regardless of what someone claims they believe - there is no justice between birth and death.  Without the belief of an afterlife where all that commit injustices in this life will be held accountable - no one can claim that they believe in justice or that justice exist or is in any way that justice is connected to reality.   But it is also interesting to me that many that claim to be religious and believe in an afterlife; believe that they will not be held to any accountability because they believe in G-d.
    Sadly most believe justice is only something that applies to others - especially others that they do not love all that much.
    As for election fraud - the one thing Trump has done is make the world aware that it happens in the USA.  But even worse there is no force within our government to keep election fraud from happening.  And like so many things concerning politics and law - the risk of punishment in politics is out of balance with the rewards for breaking the laws - and I personally doubt it is going to change until both parties want it changed because citizens demand it be changed.  Most citizens still believe there is not enough fraud to change an election.  My question is - why would anyone do it - if it does not work?  No one takes risks without believing and expecting it will work.
     
    The Traveler
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    Traveler got a reaction from Still_Small_Voice in Worst and Best drivers (by State) in the USA   
    This thread is turning into a lot more fun than I anticipated.   For the record - I agree with @Still_Small_Voice - the object of driving is not to get from point A to point B but rather is to get from point A to point B without getting hurt, hurting anyone else or damaging property.  I have been hit by a car twice when riding my bicycle (not the same car if my construction of a sentence is confusing).  What I have learned is that it does not matter if I obeyed the traffic laws or not - when I am hit it hurts me and my bicycle a lot more than it does the car or anyone in the car.   I have learned not to let cars hit me - regardless of what other cars are doing.  This is not as easy as it sounds.
    It is a rare driver that thinks most drivers are better than them - rather they think most drivers are worse than them.  It is kind of like 90% of the people of earth think they are smarter than the average person.  I have a sister-in-law (and I am sure you all know someone like her) that thinks she is one of the best drivers ever.  But she is a hazard looking for an accident.  Sadly it is my wife's favorite sister so I am not allowed to say something like, "Did you know that it is against the law to change lanes in intersections? - Primarily because it puts everybody at risk, especially in heavy traffic."   With some people it is more rude to shame their driving than it is for them to drive with careless disregard for others.   I have a deal with my wife - she does not expect me to ride in a car her sister is driving and I will not comment on her sister's horrible driving.
    One thing I have learned from ridding a bicycle is that bad driver are not hard to spot.  So I thought to add spotting bad drivers to this thread.  Here are some that I use:
    1. People that have difficulty staying between the lines of their lanes - especially on highway curves. 
    2. People that are trying to do something other than driving when they are driving.  There is a very long list of something other than driving items. 
    3. People that seem to drive with their foot hard on either the gas peddle or the break peddle.  They have no clue how to slow down without heavy breaking.
    4. People that over-react whenever something happens that they are not expecting, anticipating or wanting to happen. 
    5. People that do not know how to adjust their driving to conditions or what other drivers (traffic) are doing.
    So here are a few to start.
     
    The Traveler
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    Traveler reacted to Suzie in Video - Heavenly Father's Plan   
    I don't understand your question. Please expand, thanks.
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    Traveler reacted to JohnsonJones in Censorship?   
    I actually agree with the idea about Internet companies and even to a lesser degree, medical providers.
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    Traveler reacted to JohnsonJones in Worst and Best drivers (by State) in the USA   
    How to explain this...It's more a difference in cultures.  The culture you live in and how you do things are different than what I am used to.  It can be hard to understand different cultures and their reasons for doing things.  Many times, different cultures have extremely different mindsets about things and what is good, what is bad, what is okay, and what is not.  Trying to understand by comparison of your own culture is not necessarily trying to say one is better than the other, but trying to understand the differences and what drives those differences as well as how that mindset works in conjunction with other things.
    No, not virtue signalling.  There are MANY that I grew up with and in my age range that were taught a great respect for the law.  I don't KNOWINGLY (there's a difference between knowingly and purposefully) breaking the law, and you may be surprised that there are actually many people out there that try their best to obey every law out there. 
    When you live like that and are raised like that, it is very hard to understand those who choose to break even small laws on purpose.  That doesn't mean we always keep every law because, as I said, one may break one out of ignorance.  But the idea of breaking the law on purpose is strange, and breaking it on purpose regularly is even odder.
    This isn't virtue signalling anymore than any other person in another part of the US or another nation virtue signals that they obey the laws in their area.  There are plenty of people in other states that do not speed (and yes, many that do, but I've NEVER encountered so many in such a group as I have in Utah), and many that try as best they can to obey the laws that their nation, states, and locales have in place. 
    I do not feel this is a cultural artifact that all Saints have all over the world.  Yes, there are some out there that regularly break rules, but most of those that I have known outside of the Church dominated areas of the West actually are pretty law abiding in every way.  It was one of the BIG reasons that the Church was allowed behind the Iron Curtain many years ago when we tried to build temples in East Germany.  They heard and felt that the Saints would support the Government and obey the laws that were in place.  Our Articles of Faith imply it, and many of our General Authorities taught it.  It wasn't a matter of convenience or ignoring the little things, but obeying their leaders as best they could.
    You may be surprised at how many actually do not speed in other places and do their utmost best to follow other rules.  As I said above, different cultures value different things and do things differently.  I think you take it the wrong way and that you think I'm trying to offend.  I'm not trying to offend you, simply understand.  The Culture where it is acceptable for every person on the road to break the law is a different culture from the one I grew up in and understand.  Trying to understand other cultures can be useful.  I don't know how to explain it to you, but I guess it would be like if you came out to the East Coast.
    In Utah, the Law of Chastity still means something to members of the Church.  In the East Coast and California and many portions of Europe breaking the Law of Chastity is no big deal to people in the culture.  Things that may be a big deal in Utah (for example, pornography) is just a matter of life going on for 99% of people (who are not members of the Church).  It's accepted as common.  Someone who is not from that culture could be blown away.  If they then said to you...come on...everyone does that, it's no big deal.  It's not just something we do, everyone, even you...have to have done this stuff sometime...
    You'd probably say...no...not really, that doesn't really describe me or members of my church.  Many actually DON'T do that type of stuff.  That's not virtue signalling.  (and no, members out East and out of the Utah areas do NOT break the Law of Chastity like those around them, but as they are a minority compared to the rest of the population, their impact is statistically insignificant on the rest of the culture).
    A different approach, but one that I CAN understand.  In the Middle East in many  nations I have been to, you can trust your wallet anywhere (not that I would).  The people you have to worry most about are actually those who are not born in those nations.  Those born in those nations know better.  Part of this is their religion, another part though is the extremely harsh penalties in place if they steal something.  They are extremely moral in comparison to those in the US, but much of that is that the laws are based more on Islam and the penalties are harsh enough that many Americans would consider it violations of Human Rights. 
    This isn't saying that I have not ever broken a small law or had an infraction, but I try to obey the laws as best I can.  It's not a matter of convenience that makes it okay.  That's part of the culture I live in, but it may not be the culture of those in the area of Utah between Salt Lake and Provo.  I don't know exactly, which is why I'm trying to see the reasons and how it works in their minds.  On the note that I was trying to pursue, I thank you for the insight you have given me.
    It is interesting to read your opinion on the law and reasons why people speed over the limit in Utah.  I imagine that this is the reason that many in Utah speed.  It's a matter of convenience.  It's an entire culture I suppose that will speed or other things if it's convenient...which is a cultural aspect of people in those areas of the world (Utah...etc).
    Which posits my next question...if one will speed for convenience...will they do other things as a matter of convenience by seeing them as little things that do not matter overall?
    If not, why not?  If it's okay to break what one sees as minor laws for convenience, why not things they see as minor commandments or rules and such?
    (And as a side note, I have some kids that live in Utah, and I haven't actually noticed this trend in them, but then, as they know I'm their dad and grew up with me, it could be that they hide these things from me when we visit as well).
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    Traveler reacted to Jamie123 in Worst and Best drivers (by State) in the USA   
    In the UK at least, times are changing. About 15 years ago I made a conscious decision to at least try to keep to the speed limits, regardless of whether there was a speed camera in sight. This got me routinely honked at, sworn at, flashed at, tailgated and overtaken in such a manner as to make oncoming drivers need clean underwear. But as time went by, these things got less frequent. Nowadays most drivers do the same as me. There are odd exceptions (mostly BMW and Audi drivers) but the angry tantrums and fist-wavings are largely things of the past.
    I haven't driven in the US since 2005, but the thing I remember most vividly is the way Americans drive in poor visibility. I consider it a cardinal rule always to be able to stop in the space of road visible to you. In poor visibility that means driving SLOWLY. Most Americans don't do that: their rule is to position themselves correctly between the lines (they're good at that at least) and then live by blind faith that the road ahead is clear. I've ridden with people who'll drive happily at 70mph when they can see barely more than 6ft in front of their headlights.
    Whenever I was behind the wheel in such conditions, I'd slow right down. The trouble was that caused problems too. The drivers who thought visibility was unimportant (which was most of them) would find me suddenly in their path and swerve dangerously around me - with the road covered in ice or slush, only barely keeping control.
    So you have a paradoxical situation: by driving more safely yourself, you make the road less safe. Should you hurtle blindly into a whiteout and pray that you don't suddenly meet a fallen tree or a moose on the road? Or do you put yourself (and other people) equally in danger by keeping your speed down?
    It's probably best not to drive at all until the storm's over.
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    Regardless of what someone claims they believe - there is no justice between birth and death.  Without the belief of an afterlife where all that commit injustices in this life will be held accountable - no one can claim that they believe in justice or that justice exist or is in any way that justice is connected to reality.   But it is also interesting to me that many that claim to be religious and believe in an afterlife; believe that they will not be held to any accountability because they believe in G-d.
    Sadly most believe justice is only something that applies to others - especially others that they do not love all that much.
    As for election fraud - the one thing Trump has done is make the world aware that it happens in the USA.  But even worse there is no force within our government to keep election fraud from happening.  And like so many things concerning politics and law - the risk of punishment in politics is out of balance with the rewards for breaking the laws - and I personally doubt it is going to change until both parties want it changed because citizens demand it be changed.  Most citizens still believe there is not enough fraud to change an election.  My question is - why would anyone do it - if it does not work?  No one takes risks without believing and expecting it will work.
     
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    Regardless of what someone claims they believe - there is no justice between birth and death.  Without the belief of an afterlife where all that commit injustices in this life will be held accountable - no one can claim that they believe in justice or that justice exist or is in any way that justice is connected to reality.   But it is also interesting to me that many that claim to be religious and believe in an afterlife; believe that they will not be held to any accountability because they believe in G-d.
    Sadly most believe justice is only something that applies to others - especially others that they do not love all that much.
    As for election fraud - the one thing Trump has done is make the world aware that it happens in the USA.  But even worse there is no force within our government to keep election fraud from happening.  And like so many things concerning politics and law - the risk of punishment in politics is out of balance with the rewards for breaking the laws - and I personally doubt it is going to change until both parties want it changed because citizens demand it be changed.  Most citizens still believe there is not enough fraud to change an election.  My question is - why would anyone do it - if it does not work?  No one takes risks without believing and expecting it will work.
     
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    Private companies can and do exist in free countries without competition - they are called public utilities.  Internet companies that do not have competition ought to be regulated as a public utility.  - anyway that is my opinion.   I also believe that medical providers ought to be public utilities. 
     
    The Traveler