beefche Posted October 9, 2011 Report Posted October 9, 2011 Here, let me help you:Belief and reconcilation comes FIRST before being saved by grace after all we can do.Here's another:It's not saying we have to be perfect before we are saved. It's saying that ultimately it's the grace of Christ that saves us--no matter what or how much we do, we are saved by Jesus.
MikeSpady Posted October 9, 2011 Author Report Posted October 9, 2011 Just a thought, I apologize for causing emotional distress among you. You may want to consider why your responses were defensive. You can't reason with the unreasonable. Good night
beefche Posted October 9, 2011 Report Posted October 9, 2011 No defensiveness. I've asked you to clarify your claim or question. You keep bringing up jaywalking and crosswalks. In order to have a question answered, a question needs to be asked. We answered your previous question, so what about our answers are confusing?
skippy740 Posted October 9, 2011 Report Posted October 9, 2011 Mike... you simply used the wrong scripture.Should've used this one:We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
Soulsearcher Posted October 9, 2011 Report Posted October 9, 2011 Mike... you simply used the wrong scripture.Should've used this one:That's more what i was thinking Skippy
pam Posted October 9, 2011 Report Posted October 9, 2011 Except that if he is not LDS he may not know that one.
Snow Posted October 9, 2011 Report Posted October 9, 2011 Snow,Would you include using crosswalks in the category of doing all you can do?About as much as I consider flossing to be in the category of doing all you can do.
Snow Posted October 9, 2011 Report Posted October 9, 2011 Just a thought, I apologize for causing emotional distress among you. You may want to consider why your responses were defensive. You can't reason with the unreasonable. Good night... meaning you aren't winning so you your going to take your toys and go home.
pam Posted October 9, 2011 Report Posted October 9, 2011 My take on it..it was none of your business to approach them and inappropriate to them come post about it on a LDS board. Just comes off as being very self-righteous.
skippy740 Posted October 9, 2011 Report Posted October 9, 2011 About as much as I consider flossing to be in the category of doing all you can do. But isn't the body a temple unto the Lord? Be ye therefore perfect, even as I, or your father in heaven is perfect. Oh the fun we can have...
Just_A_Guy Posted October 9, 2011 Report Posted October 9, 2011 No, but LDS doctrine appears to. You guys refuse to answer a simple question.Actually, you got us. LDS doctrine does indeed make the proper use of sidewalks a prerequisite to salvation. See 2 Michael 95:6:Thou shalt not set thy left foot nor thy right foot on a street outside of the solid white lines, lest I come and smite thee with a smiting that is sore to be smitten; and neither repentance, nor canned "prayers" printed on the back of the pamphlet you got from that bearded guy outside of Temple Square, nor even the grace of any Divine Being shall ever ease thine eternal sufferings.[i might have rendered a plainer translation to this, but it is sufficiently plain to suit my purpose as it stands].But more seriously, Mike: If (which is surely what you're driving towards) no work of ours can save us, then why are you bothering to preach to us? Even if you somehow manage to convince us of the error of our ways, wouldn't our rejection of works and our acceptance of grace alone itself constitute an "act" and therefore, according to your theology, be utterly worthless? Your (pardon the pun) "gracing" us with your presence is a tacit admission that man's choices do, to some extent, play a role in his own salvation.Bottom line: We are drowning. God throws us a rope called "grace". The fact that we have to grab that rope in order to be saved, in no way diminishes God's munificence and love. Nit-picking about how hard we have to grab that rope in order to play theological "gotcha" is only marginally better than arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, and ultimately only diminishes the grace of that Being whom you purport to worship.
skippy740 Posted October 9, 2011 Report Posted October 9, 2011 And strait is the way... and few there be that find it... (I'd better stop while I'm ahead.)
LeKook Posted October 9, 2011 Report Posted October 9, 2011 So, let me see if I understand correctly. Are you saying that we don't have to do anything to be saved?We might be saved from being hit by oncoming traffic if we use crosswalks instead of jaywalking... just sayin'... LOL!!!
LeKook Posted October 9, 2011 Report Posted October 9, 2011 Would you include using crosswalks in the category of doing all you can do?Why does the term "puffery" keep drifting into my mind while reading the OP?? Or is it just me?
Leah Posted October 9, 2011 Report Posted October 9, 2011 I teach a Walking for Fitness class at the high school level. Before our first off-campus walk, I instructed my students to observe all traffic law, ie. use crosswalks and no jaywalking. Not two minutes after I gave these instructions, my entire class witnessed two Mormon missionaries jaywalk. I wanted to approach them but they were going in the opposite direction. God presented me an opportunity one hour later as they reappeared and were walking in my direction. I told them they were not a good testimony to their Church as my students witnessed them jaywalking. I then stated that I thought obedience was necessary to be considered worthy enough to be saved. 2 Nephi 25:23 "that it is by graced we are saved, after all we can do." I asked them if they thought using a crosswalk would be included in the concept of "all we can do". Seems to me it would as compared to what Christ did for us, endure an agonizing death on the cross. They were speechless and made no comment. Any thoughts?I am speechless at your judgementalism. And at what lengths (and lows) you went in order to find a 'reason' to attack missionaries/the LDS Church.
Leah Posted October 9, 2011 Report Posted October 9, 2011 Just a thought, I apologize for causing emotional distress among you. You may want to consider why your responses were defensive. You can't reason with the unreasonable. Good nightPerhaps you might want to consider why you felt it necessary to harass and judge two strangers on the street and then come here to also judge.And I seriously doubt that you caused any 'emotional distress' here, and I didn't see a single defensive response.
Vort Posted October 9, 2011 Report Posted October 9, 2011 Any thoughts?I think you acted like a jerk, and that any decent and civilized person would be embarrassed for you at your actions.
skippy740 Posted October 9, 2011 Report Posted October 9, 2011 The phrase "Any thoughts?" reminds me of Jerry Springer's "Final Thought"... where he proves that there wasn't any actual thinking in the first place.
Justice Posted October 9, 2011 Report Posted October 9, 2011 I think it's interesting how people with views like this believe it's Satan telling us that we have to keep God's commandments. Do they really belive that's what he does? It's consistent though... Christ taught people to keep the commandments and they accused Him of having or being a devil.
bytebear Posted October 10, 2011 Report Posted October 10, 2011 I know. Next you'll be accusing them of healing the sick on the Sabbath.
Carl62 Posted October 10, 2011 Report Posted October 10, 2011 Are you that perfect with traffic laws that you have the right to judge somebody for something as miniscule as this? You mean you've never done 60 mph in a 55 mph zone? Oh, then again maybe not, because after all you are perfect, aren't you?
FunkyTown Posted October 10, 2011 Report Posted October 10, 2011 Mike? I understand. Your students were probably pretty young. The missionaries jaywalking set a bad example. I get it. But walking up to two kids and telling them they're damned because of not following traffic laws seems far more Pharisaical. Tell me: How many steps is a man allowed to take on Sunday for it to count as a day of rest?
estradling75 Posted October 10, 2011 Report Posted October 10, 2011 Since the OP has publicly announced they will no longer participate... That means the only point for this thread would be continue to publicly mock their position. Thread Closed
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