A Reporter Can't Seem to Buy a Gun

[Guest]

Boring article with a completely self-unaware conclusion.

http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/steinberg-would-be-terrorists-can-buy-guns-but-a-reporter-no/

The end of the story is that this reporter was refused a gun purchase because he has an admitted alcohol abuse problem and was charged for domestic battery against his wife. Yet the reporter says he was denied the sale because he's a reporter.

Hmm.

[unixknight]

It probably embarrassed him, and his coping mechanism for that is to think of himself as a victim of mean gun dealers than the legitimate concerns about his own alcoholism and the battery charge.

[NeuroTypical]

I'm taken aback.  Dood actually wrote this stuff, about himself?  And he really did write and publish that last paragraph?

A few hours later, Maxon sent the newspaper a lengthy statement, the key part being: “it was uncovered that Mr. Steinberg has an admitted history of alcohol abuse, and a charge for domestic battery involving his wife.”

Well, didn’t see that coming. Were that same standard applied to the American public, there would be a whole lot fewer guns sold. Beside, they knew I planned to immediately sell it back to them.

OK, Maxon has had its chance to offer their reason.

Now I’ll state what I believe the real reason is: Gun manufacturers and the stores that sell them make their money in the dark. Congress, which has so much trouble passing the most basic gun laws, passed a law making it illegal for the federal government to fund research into gun violence. Except for the week or two after massacres, the public covers its eyes. Would-be terrorists can buy guns. Insane people can buy guns. But reporters . . . that’s a different story. Gun makers avoid publicity because the truth is this: they sell tools of death to frightened people and make a fortune doing so. They shun attention because they know, if we saw clearly what is happening in our country, we’d demand change.

Wow.  This really looks like a good example of cognitive dissonance.  "I believe X.  Got evidence staring me in the face, that not-X.  Therefore, they're just liars."

[NeuroTypical]

I mean, it's good to see reporters doing some hands-on research type stuff to be able to report real things.  But dang - we're learning more about reporters' weaknesses here than we are about firearms. 

Like this guy.  He claims he actually got temporary PTSD just for firing an AR-15.  

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/firing-ar-15-horrifying-dangerous-loud-article-1.2673201

I wonder if the real news here, is "lots and lots of reporters live lives of sheltered ignorance, and are truly clueless about many of life's important truths, yet they continue to run news through their broken filters and report stuff which we read". 

[unixknight]

25 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

Like this guy.  He claims he actually got temporary PTSD just for firing an AR-15. 

Can you imagine being in Boot with a guy like that if the draft ever came back?

[Guest]

31 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

I mean, it's good to see reporters doing some hands-on research type stuff to be able to report real things.  But dang - we're learning more about reporters' weaknesses here than we are about firearms. 

Like this guy.  He claims he actually got temporary PTSD just for firing an AR-15.  

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/firing-ar-15-horrifying-dangerous-loud-article-1.2673201

I wonder if the real news here, is "lots and lots of reporters live lives of sheltered ignorance, and are truly clueless about many of life's important truths, yet they continue to run news through their broken filters and report stuff which we read". 

And the little girl who tried it for the first time had no problems and seemed to think it was fun.  I guess we can't accuse liberal reporters of crying like a little girl anymore.

[NightSG]

33 minutes ago, unixknight said:

Can you imagine being in Boot with a guy like that if the draft ever came back?

Not for very long.  What blanket parties don't fix, fortuitous accidents tend to clean up.

[estradling75]

1 hour ago, NeuroTypical said:

Wow.  This really looks like a good example of cognitive dissonance.  "I believe X.  Got evidence staring me in the face, that not-X.  Therefore, they're just liars.

 

Indeed... seems pretty textbook....  After all I am sure in his own mind the reporter is just a good average guy (many of us think this)....   Apparently for this reporter a "good average guy" is a alcoholic wife beater.

With that reasoning firmly in place then it is easy to see that he, a "good average guy" was not denied gun ownership due to his "questionable character" (because everyone is like him remember) but because he was a reporter doing a piece.

 

 

 

[mirkwood]

2 hours ago, unixknight said:

Can you imagine being in Boot with a guy like that if the draft ever came back?

I took a rifle class on my own once.  I took one look at the guy a couple positions to my left and then moved to the far end of the line.  Not to mention the lady that showed up in flip flops...*smh

[NeuroTypical]

Here in firearm-friendly Colorado Springs, going to the range is always a fun experience.  Current and former military, gang bangers shooting their pistols sideways, families where mom & dad are training their kids, and me with the Elders Quorum on an activity.  

The gang banger wanna-bes are the most fun to watch.  They like to show off, it's all about posture and poise, looking intimidating.  It's fun to watch them look sneering and dismissive at the stuff other people bring.  It's fun to watch them empty a clip and not even cut paper on their target.  They don't seem to notice - their attention is more on how cool their gun is, and how good they look handling and shooting it.

 

[zil]

3 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

Here in firearm-friendly Colorado Springs, going to the range is always a fun experience.  Current and former military, gang bangers shooting their pistols sideways, families where mom & dad are training their kids, and me with the Elders Quorum on an activity.  

The gang banger wanna-bes are the most fun to watch.  They like to show off, it's all about posture and poise, looking intimidating.  It's fun to watch them look sneering and dismissive at the stuff other people bring.  It's fun to watch them empty a clip and not even cut paper on their target.  They don't seem to notice - their attention is more on how cool their gun is, and how good they look handling and shooting it.

Maybe the range should open a photo booth (or put cameras behind bullet-proof shields, or something) and make a little extra profit selling pics to the gang bangers.

[unixknight]

The video with the little girls firing the rifles inspired me to teach my 8-year-old to shoot.  I'm going to start by buying a BB gun that looks and feels like an actual firearm to use to teach her the safety rules and everything before we go to the actual range. 

[Guest MormonGator]

1 hour ago, unixknight said:

The video with the little girls firing the rifles inspired me to teach my 8-year-old to shoot.  I'm going to start by buying a BB gun that looks and feels like an actual firearm to use to teach her the safety rules and everything before we go to the actual range. 

Parenting done right. 

[kapikui]

8 hours ago, NeuroTypical said:

I mean, it's good to see reporters doing some hands-on research type stuff to be able to report real things.  But dang - we're learning more about reporters' weaknesses here than we are about firearms. 

Like this guy.  He claims he actually got temporary PTSD just for firing an AR-15.  

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/firing-ar-15-horrifying-dangerous-loud-article-1.2673201

I wonder if the real news here, is "lots and lots of reporters live lives of sheltered ignorance, and are truly clueless about many of life's important truths, yet they continue to run news through their broken filters and report stuff which we read". 

It would be interesting if this particular one  hadn't been done to death already.

[jerome1232]

But have you seen the one of the guy firing one with the stock on the tip of his nose?

I mean I knew ar-15's were pretty gentle, but dang.

[LeSellers]

3 hours ago, jerome1232 said:

But have you seen the one of the guy firing one with the stock on the tip of his nose?

I mean I knew ar-15's were pretty gentle, but dang.

In basic training, our Drill Sergeant chose a "volunteer" to demonstrate how "gentle" our AR15 mod (the M16) on fully automatic was. We voted. One choice was the left side, the second was the right wide, and the winning option was "in the middle".

The Drill took the M16, placed on the recruit's crotch, and squeezed the trigger. Twenty rounds later, the soldier was not only still standing, but smiling.

Lehi

[NeuroTypical]

Heh - our local cops did a similar thing with a flash-bang demonstration.  The cop sat on one of those low stadium chair things, and set off a flash-bang inches away from his groin, protected by a thin strip of lawn-chair fabric.

Not sure if such groin-related lessons like this are as impactful to women as men, but yeah, dudes will change opinions on a dime with such a demonstration. 

[Guest]

19 hours ago, estradling75 said:

Indeed... seems pretty textbook....  After all I am sure in his own mind the reporter is just a good average guy (many of us think this)....   Apparently for this reporter a "good average guy" is a alcoholic wife beater.

With that reasoning firmly in place then it is easy to see that he, a "good average guy" was not denied gun ownership due to his "questionable character" (because everyone is like him remember) but because he was a reporter doing a piece.

I think it is confirmed by his statement:

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Were that same standard applied to the American public, there would be a whole lot fewer guns sold.

That is precisely what you were saying.  He's saying, "Oh, come on!  Everybody drinks and beats their wife."  

Let me just state for the record: OH NO THEY DON'T!

[NightSG]

4 hours ago, NeuroTypical said:

Heh - our local cops did a similar thing with a flash-bang demonstration.  The cop sat on one of those low stadium chair things, and set off a flash-bang inches away from his groin, protected by a thin strip of lawn-chair fabric.

Which makes about as much sense as throwing a Hot Wheels toy at someone and saying that proves their armor will save them in a high speed collision.  Flash bangs come in more than one power level.

[bytebear]

“it was uncovered that Mr. Steinberg has an admitted history of alcohol abuse, and a charge for domestic battery involving his wife.”

 

Did the author deny the charges?  Based on the article, he seemed to dismiss them as if they were irrelevant to his story.  But does he actually have a history of alcohol abuse and was he charged (and/or convicted) or battery?

[Still_Small_Voice]

I hate the 5.56 x 45 round.  It is a less effective round because the round only uses a 55, 62 or 77 grain bullet.  I wish the military would go with the .300 Blackout or the 6.8 x 43 round.  The 5.56 round was designed to wound and that is not always optimal in all situations.

[David13]

Apparently he wrote a book about his alcohol abuse and his charge/conviction would be of record on the background check, which would cause him to be denied.

Lautenberg amendment I believe it is.

But as you may understand his political bent is that it's quite acceptable to lie about it all and that people will then believe it, that he was denied by some great conspiracy, rather than the fact that he is a drunken wife beater.

They say he admits in the book that he will probably be drinking again.

dc

Edited June 21, 2016 by David13

[Still_Small_Voice]

Double post.  Please delete.

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[David13]

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[anatess2]

8 minutes ago, bytebear said:

“it was uncovered that Mr. Steinberg has an admitted history of alcohol abuse, and a charge for domestic battery involving his wife.”

 

Did the author deny the charges?  Based on the article, he seemed to dismiss them as if they were irrelevant to his story.  But does he actually have a history of alcohol abuse and was he charged (and/or convicted) or battery?

Yes, he has one.  As evidenced by his article that says, "If the same rule was applied to everybody else there would be a lot less guns in the country."  He believes that it is not his history that got him denied the purchase.  He believes - or wants us to believe - that it was because he is a reporter and Mason's hate reporters.  What an idiot.