Gun Violence and the decline of Marriage, Family and Community

[mirkwood]

I got curious and looked at my 2016 reports.  I personally investigated 161 criminal domestic violence calls in 2016.  None involved a firearm.  I have two area partners, so if they took the same number of calls (give or take a handful it should be the same), our crew for our city investigated 483 DV calls of a criminal nature. This does not include ANY other type of call.  That would 0/483 DV calls in 2016 for one crew, 4 work days a week, that had no firearms involved. 

 

So tell me again how guns are the problem.

[Crash]

As a staunch Constitutionalist, gun control laws stifle the God-given right of Americans to own firearms. Not a single gun control law written or soon to be written has or will ever stop a mass shooting. Owning a firearm has nothing to do with hunting or protection from harm but everything to do with the protection against tyranny. Once the anti-gun lobbyists remove all firearms, the government controls everything. 

What is the source of gun violence? Satan. What is the source of all violence? Satan. You do not need to be in a family, a marriage, or a two parent home to be free from violence. All you need is to live with Christ as your center. As a single parent, my child knows how to handle a firearm and to show it respect. He also knows very well how to treat other people kindly and I'm pretty sure that there are millions of single-parent homes where their children will never resort to violence of any kind. 

The Book of Mormon is full of examples that show how the more the people lived Christ-centered lives, the more peace they had, but the more they chose wickedness, the more violent they became. Basically, we live in a very wicked society and firearms are just one of the weapons the wicked uses to be violent towards others. Take away God, then having firearms is a right that can be taken away. Take away guns and the government will control everything. Exactly what Satan wants.

Edited March 4, 2018 by Crash

[zil]

2 hours ago, mirkwood said:

I've been a street cop for 21 years.  The #1 weapon of violence I have seen in all those years in patrol: fists.  Significantly higher then anything else.

That's good enough for me.  Ban fists!

[anatess2]

19 hours ago, mirkwood said:

I've been a street cop for 21 years.  The #1 weapon of violence I have seen in all those years in patrol: fists.  Significantly higher then anything else.

 

17 hours ago, zil said:

That's good enough for me.  Ban fists!

But.... are they fully automatic or semi automatic?  

[zil]

2 minutes ago, anatess2 said:

But.... are they fully automatic or semi automatic?  

Oh, sure, get all technical.  Next you'll suggest we only ban assault fists or high-capacity fists.  Pretty soon you'll be arguing that fists can be used for sports and defense just as readily as assault and therefore it would be wrong to ban fists at all.  Next we'll have fight clubs, and pretty soon disturbed folks will be bringing their fists into schools and using them to attack innocent children!  Can't you see what a slippery slope you're on!?  Nope, we just need to ban all fists!  The cops could do one of those "no questions asked" collection things so people could turn in their fists without fear of going to jail or whatever.  Think how much more peaceful the world will be without fists.  Rainbows and unicorns will abound.  Puppies and kittens (and ponies) for everyone.

[anatess2]

6 minutes ago, zil said:

Oh, sure, get all technical.  Next you'll suggest we only ban assault fists or high-capacity fists.  Pretty soon you'll be arguing that fists can be used for sports and defense just as readily as assault and therefore it would be wrong to ban fists at all.  Next we'll have fight clubs, and pretty soon disturbed folks will be bringing their fists into schools and using them to attack innocent children!  Can't you see what a slippery slope you're on!?  Nope, we just need to ban all fists!  The cops could do one of those "no questions asked" collection things so people could turn in their fists without fear of going to jail or whatever.  Think how much more peaceful the world will be without fists.  Rainbows and unicorns will abound.  Puppies and kittens (and ponies) for everyone.

So... would this be a buy back program?

[zil]

10 minutes ago, anatess2 said:

So... would this be a buy back program?

Or trade-in - for your choice of rainbow, unicorn, puppy, kitten, or pony.  (I'm thinking they'd better stock up on the unicorns cuz they're gonna be really popular!)

[anatess2]

2 minutes ago, zil said:

Or trade-in - for your choice of rainbow, unicorn, puppy, kitten, or pony.  (I'm thinking they'd better stock up on the unicorns cuz they're gonna be really popular!)

You do know that unicorns come with Assault Horns, right?  Puppies come with Assault Teeth, Kittens come with Assault Claws, and Ponies come with Assault Backlegs.  And rainbows already got usurped by the LGBTQ movement so they won't let straight people have it.

Edited March 5, 2018 by anatess2

[zil]

7 minutes ago, anatess2 said:

You do know that unicorns come with Assault Horns, right?  Puppies come with Assault Teeth, Kittens come with Assault Claws, and Ponies come with Assault Backlegs.  And rainbows already got usurped by the LGBTQ movement so they won't let straight people have it.

  When will it ever end!?  Clearly there's no hope.

Meanwhile, the good news is, one day, the world will end. (Aaaah, I love saying that - makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.)

[anatess2]

59 minutes ago, zil said:

  When will it ever end!?  Clearly there's no hope.

Meanwhile, the good news is, one day, the world will end. (Aaaah, I love saying that - makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.)

And there will be no more serial killers!

[Just_A_Guy]

2 hours ago, anatess2 said:

So... would this be a buy back program?

Haven’t you seen the advances with AI and artificial limbs?  Give it fifty years and artificial limbs will be better than the real thing.

What we need to do is amputate all fists from birth.  Then people can “earn” bionic hands for good behavior; and have them taken away if they prove they can’t handle them.  

[Traveler]

My solution?  Make any commission of a felony with a firearm a capital offense – including all accomplices.

Some think that there are no deterrents to violent crime – but there are.  When I lived in the Seattle area a met a man that was a worldwide trade broker.  He would line up buyers and sellers of international goods.  He was very wealthy and had previously lived in South America – that was until several hundred rounds hit his home when his next-door neighbors were taken hostage and held for ransom.  But he told me that Coca-Cola executives in South America were immune to gun violence.  The reason was – as he told me – that Coca-Cola hired a small army of well-trained mercenaries.  These mercenaries hunted down the gangs that were involved in violent kidnaping hostage ransoms.  They met with the leaders in some obscure cantina where they opened a photo book they had put together.  The photo book had pictures of the leader’s families, relativities and friends.  They then informed the gang leaders that if a Coca-Cola executive or family member was ever taken – not a penny would ever be paid but that they would start killing all the people whose pictures were in the photo book (including women and children) until the persons taken were returned.  If anyone was injured before being returned – no one in by book would remain alive.

Though I knew this guy to be honest I do not know how true this story is but for a while I followed in the news, kidnappings in South America -  I have never seen anyone taken that was an employee of Coca-Cola or their families.

 

The Traveler

[zil]

25 minutes ago, Just_A_Guy said:

and have them taken away if they prove they can’t handle them.

Or just remotely disabled.  I'm seeing the chance for a new government agency already - the DoF (Department of Fists).  Hooray, another excuse for more government - can't get enough of that...

[Rob Osborn]

1 hour ago, Traveler said:

My solution?  Make any commission of a felony with a firearm a capital offense – including all accomplices.

Some think that there are no deterrents to violent crime – but there are.  When I lived in the Seattle area a met a man that was a worldwide trade broker.  He would line up buyers and sellers of international goods.  He was very wealthy and had previously lived in South America – that was until several hundred rounds hit his home when his next-door neighbors were taken hostage and held for ransom.  But he told me that Coca-Cola executives in South America were immune to gun violence.  The reason was – as he told me – that Coca-Cola hired a small army of well-trained mercenaries.  These mercenaries hunted down the gangs that were involved in violent kidnaping hostage ransoms.  They met with the leaders in some obscure cantina where they opened a photo book they had put together.  The photo book had pictures of the leader’s families, relativities and friends.  They then informed the gang leaders that if a Coca-Cola executive or family member was ever taken – not a penny would ever be paid but that they would start killing all the people whose pictures were in the photo book (including women and children) until the persons taken were returned.  If anyone was injured before being returned – no one in by book would remain alive.

Though I knew this guy to be honest I do not know how true this story is but for a while I followed in the news, kidnappings in South America -  I have never seen anyone taken that was an employee of Coca-Cola or their families.

 

The Traveler

Are you skeaking of the McDonals cartel who are secretly puuting "extra" ingredients in their Coka-cola and fries?

[anatess2]

19 hours ago, Just_A_Guy said:

Haven’t you seen the advances with AI and artificial limbs?  Give it fifty years and artificial limbs will be better than the real thing.

What we need to do is amputate all fists from birth.  Then people can “earn” bionic hands for good behavior; and have them taken away if they prove they can’t handle them.  

There's this meme going around:  Planned Parenthood, NRA:  Only one of these sell arms and it's not the NRA.  

[Guest]

We should never outlaw guns.

 

[zil]

I prefer this one:

 

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, zil said:

I prefer this one:

I didn't even know Glock made .22 models.

[Guest MormonGator]

10 minutes ago, zil said:

I prefer this one:

 

That's why @zil is in charge of security here at the compound. 

[zil]

7 minutes ago, Carborendum said:

I didn't even know Glock made .22 models.

Yeah, I have a vague memory of someone saying they did.

6 minutes ago, MormonGator said:

That's why @zil is in charge of security here at the compound. 

The Radetsky March is even better.

 

[Guest]

10 minutes ago, zil said:

Yeah, I have a vague memory of someone saying they did.

The Radetsky March is even better.

 

I wonder if those are even 22 rounds.  They could ricochet quite easily off of solid plates.  I realize they all have safety glasses on.  But, that's  a little close for comfort on my gun safety radar.  Maybe they're bb's?

Edited May 8, 2018 by Guest

[zil]

6 minutes ago, Carborendum said:

I wonder if those are even 22 rounds.  They could ricochet quite easily off of solid plates.  I realize they all have safety glasses on.  But, that's  a little close for comfort on my gun safety radar.  Maybe they're bb's?

No idea.  If they really are Russians, I can pretty much guarantee you they don't think of safety / risk the same way we do.

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, zil said:

No idea.  If they really are Russians, I can pretty much guarantee you they don't think of safety / risk the same way we do.

Sorry for getting all technical.  It really is a fun video.  But there's something about it that says that not everything is as it seems.

[zil]

3 minutes ago, Carborendum said:

Sorry for getting all technical.  It really is a fun video.  But there's something about it that says that not everything is as it seems.

I have no clue, don't particularly care (though if he's not actually shooting plates to make the notes, then the video sucks), but I went back and watched again - they do have metal mesh screens placed in a way that looks like it's to block ricochet.  Whatever else is true, the shell casings are really small.  I'm going to choose to believe it is what they say it is, cuz that's cooler.

[mordorbund]

14 hours ago, MormonGator said:

That's why @zil is in charge of security here at the compound. 

And not music.