pam Posted July 23, 2018 Report Posted July 23, 2018 SALT LAKE CITY — As the emblems of the sacrament were being passed during the Fallon Third Ward’s sacrament meeting early Sunday afternoon 60 miles east of Reno, Nevada, John Kelly O’Connor sat on a couch in the west foyer just outside the chapel with members of his LDS congregation who had arrived late for the meeting. When the sacrament service was complete and as the meeting’s first speaker began to talk, O’Connor, 48, stood up, walked through the chapel’s west door, drew a handgun and at point-blank range shot and killed the man who for years had been assigned by ward leaders to serve him and watch over him, witnesses said. https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900025674/shots-fired-during-lds-sacrament-meeting-in-nevada.html lostinwater and Anddenex 2 Quote
Guest LiterateParakeet Posted July 23, 2018 Report Posted July 23, 2018 This is so sad. For those of you who use Facebook, here is a public post by one of the members of that ward (I don't know this woman, it was shared by one of my friends.) If you don't have Facebook, in a nutshell, she said that mental illness and drugs were involved in John shooting his friend. She asked for prayers for all involved, especially the children who were among the witnesses to this terrible tragedy. Quote
FunkyTown Posted July 23, 2018 Report Posted July 23, 2018 Who shoots someone in Sacrament meeting? Did this ever get explained? Why did the guy want to kill a specific person? Quote
Guest Godless Posted July 23, 2018 Report Posted July 23, 2018 Just now, FunkyTown said: Who shoots someone in Sacrament meeting? Did this ever get explained? Why did the guy want to kill a specific person? He targeted his home teacher. Apparently he had a mental illness and there were drugs involved. Quote
FunkyTown Posted July 23, 2018 Report Posted July 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, Godless said: He targeted his home teacher. Apparently he had a mental illness and there were drugs involved. Yeah. But that's still not an answer. Even insanity covers a kind of internal logic - Did he think his home teacher was offensive? Thought he was better than him?(Spoiler alert: He was). Did he think his home teacher was a maniac demon possessed by an international consortium of mind-control devils? Quote
anatess2 Posted July 23, 2018 Report Posted July 23, 2018 9 minutes ago, FunkyTown said: Yeah. But that's still not an answer. Even insanity covers a kind of internal logic - Did he think his home teacher was offensive? Thought he was better than him?(Spoiler alert: He was). Did he think his home teacher was a maniac demon possessed by an international consortium of mind-control devils? Doesn't matter the reason. He was sick and did something no reason could ever justify. Quote
Guest LiterateParakeet Posted July 23, 2018 Report Posted July 23, 2018 1 hour ago, FunkyTown said: Yeah. But that's still not an answer. Even insanity covers a kind of internal logic - Did he think his home teacher was offensive? Thought he was better than him?(Spoiler alert: He was). Did he think his home teacher was a maniac demon possessed by an international consortium of mind-control devils? This only happened yesterday, so we don't have many answers yet, perhaps we never will. But I think this is a POSSIBILITY.... https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/obsessively-yours/201212/newtown-shootings-caution-about-violence-and-ssris Quote
Grunt Posted July 23, 2018 Report Posted July 23, 2018 Reason number 7592834623 why I carry. What a sad event. Quote
Lee Posted July 23, 2018 Report Posted July 23, 2018 56 minutes ago, Grunt said: Reason number 7592834623 why I carry. What a sad event. Yep because this kind of thing happens every week. I can't remember the last sacrament meeting I went to where someone wasn't shot 😕 Quote
Grunt Posted July 23, 2018 Report Posted July 23, 2018 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Lee said: Yep because this kind of thing happens every week. I can't remember the last sacrament meeting I went to where someone wasn't shot 😕 It rarely happens. However, it happened to him. I've never needed a first aid kit hiking, either. I still carry one. The list of precautions I choose to take for myself and my family is basically endless. Edited July 23, 2018 by Grunt SilentOne, person0, Midwest LDS and 1 other 3 1 Quote
Lee Posted July 23, 2018 Report Posted July 23, 2018 17 minutes ago, Grunt said: It rarely happens. However, it happened to him. I've never needed a first aid kit hiking, either. I still carry one. The list of precautions I choose to take or myself and my family is basically endless. Sorry to hear you need a gun to feel able to protect yourself and your family. You must live in a bad neighbourhood or have dodgy friends. Quote
Grunt Posted July 23, 2018 Report Posted July 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, Lee said: Sorry to hear you need a gun to feel able to protect yourself and your family. You must live in a bad neighbourhood or have dodgy friends. He was killed in his meeting house. Your misplaced underhanded insults don't stand up to the facts of this thread. NightSG, Midwest LDS, Anddenex and 2 others 5 Quote
Lee Posted July 23, 2018 Report Posted July 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, Grunt said: He was killed in his meeting house. Your misplaced underhanded insults don't stand up to the facts of this thread. use your brain I was referring to your desire to carry a gun. Quote
Grunt Posted July 23, 2018 Report Posted July 23, 2018 Just now, Lee said: use your brain I was referring to your desire to carry a gun. I know what you were referring to, hence my response. Quote
Guest LiterateParakeet Posted July 23, 2018 Report Posted July 23, 2018 @Grunt, I don't personally carry, and I am pretty Liberal, BUT I totally understand where you are coming from on this. I love your analogy to the first aid kit. Honestly, if that happened in my ward, I would be relieved to know that one of the good guys had a weapon. Things could have been so much worse than they were. Quote
Lee Posted July 23, 2018 Report Posted July 23, 2018 Just now, Grunt said: I know what you were referring to, hence my response. you are senseless... probably why you carry a gun Quote
Lee Posted July 23, 2018 Report Posted July 23, 2018 1 minute ago, LiterateParakeet said: @Grunt, I don't personally carry, and I am pretty Liberal, BUT I totally understand where you are coming from on this. I love your analogy to the first aid kit. Honestly, if that happened in my ward, I would be relieved to know that one of the good guys had a weapon. Things could have been so much worse than they were. Yeah because every one with a gun starts shooting at one guy with a gun results in less people being hurt. Nonsense Quote
Grunt Posted July 23, 2018 Report Posted July 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Lee said: you are senseless... probably why you carry a gun Yeah. Maybe it's why. Or maybe it isn't why. Maybe it's because I'm sensible. Quote
Grunt Posted July 23, 2018 Report Posted July 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Lee said: Yeah because every one with a gun starts shooting at one guy with a gun results in less people being hurt. Nonsense Yeah. That happens all the time. Quote
Grunt Posted July 23, 2018 Report Posted July 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, LiterateParakeet said: @Grunt, I don't personally carry, and I am pretty Liberal, BUT I totally understand where you are coming from on this. I love your analogy to the first aid kit. Honestly, if that happened in my ward, I would be relieved to know that one of the good guys had a weapon. Things could have been so much worse than they were. I have an obligation to care for my family and community. That's why I practice preparedness in most areas of my life, including self-defense. Midwest LDS and mirkwood 2 Quote
Guest LiterateParakeet Posted July 23, 2018 Report Posted July 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Grunt said: I have an obligation to care for my family and community. That's why I practice preparedness in most areas of my life, including self-defense. I agree. My husband and I work hard on preparedness. You would probably love my husband. He gardens and knows about wild edible plants...he has all kinds of skills that would be helpful in a disaster. I hope he never has to use them, but I'm glad he has them. Quote
Grunt Posted July 23, 2018 Report Posted July 23, 2018 Just now, LiterateParakeet said: I agree. My husband and I work hard on preparedness. You would probably love my husband. He gardens and knows about wild edible plants...he has all kinds of skills that would be helpful in a disaster. I hope he never has to use them, but I'm glad he has them. That's awesome. I'm sure we could swap some good stories. It's why I moved where I am and started a small farm. Food in the basement is great, but a self-sustaining homestead is not only insurance for the future, but you're getting the immediate benefit of fresh food without the chemicals. SilentOne 1 Quote
Guest LiterateParakeet Posted July 23, 2018 Report Posted July 23, 2018 Just now, Grunt said: That's awesome. I'm sure we could swap some good stories. It's why I moved where I am and started a small farm. Food in the basement is great, but a self-sustaining homestead is not only insurance for the future, but you're getting the immediate benefit of fresh food without the chemicals. Yes, you two would get along great. My husband would love a small farm. But since he can't do that, he raises rabbits....I try to tell him he shouldn't eat CUTE things. LOL Quote
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