How Close R The Last Days?

[lilered]

For the sake of a good discussion. How many forum members believe that we are indeed in the "Last Days" and that the beginning of the millenium will occur within the next 25 yrs. If so, why?

[Guest tomk]

One friend of mine said it will be April 6, 2033 - exactly 2000 years since Christ's resurrection.

That sounds good to me. :)

[WillowTheWhisp]

Ah but we don't know how accurate our calendar is do we? AD1 wasn't the first year after Christ's birth. It's a bit out isn't it?

Apart from that Jesus himself said he didn't even know, only Heavenly Father does so I don't think we're really supposed to speculate. I know someone who had worked out that it would be in 1984 - he was a bit wrong.

[a-train]

The latter days started a long time ago.

'For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:' (Acts 2:15-17)

Those were the last days then and these are the last days now.

-a-train

[Canuck Mormon]

I say.........June 14, 2012. Why? Because that's the day I turn 40. Need I say more?

BTW - Willow you had better post quickly, you're at 666 posts.

[Guest tomk]

Ah but we don't know how accurate our calendar is do we? AD1 wasn't the first year after Christ's birth. It's a bit out isn't it?

Apart from that Jesus himself said he didn't even know, only Heavenly Father does so I don't think we're really supposed to speculate. I know someone who had worked out that it would be in 1984 - he was a bit wrong.

This kind of comment drives me nuts, LOL :)

Please note, I am not singling-out WillowTheWhisp or anyone else.

Let's just clear this up right now.

The danger is not in speculating, the danger is in teaching that speculation as "offical" truth and rising up in rebellion with those in authority when they disagree with you.

Dear brothers and sisters -- it is OKAY to speculate, to ponder, to imagine, to question!!! If we don't ask, we can't get answers.

What we don't do is go around preaching it, which is not what is happening here. I would never tell ANYONE in an official church setting that the Second Coming will be on April 6, 2033, because not only has that not been revealed by the Brethren, but also because it is nothing more than supposition on my part. But if you ask me my opinion, you're going to get it.

So, please, let's stop with the "OH NO, let's not SPECULATE" kind of comments. Just make it clear to people that it is your opinion, or back it up with a link or a reference to why you believe the way you do. Notice I indicated a friend told me that. It wasn't even MY idea!

[Guest tomk]

For the sake of a good discussion. How many forum members believe that we are indeed in the "Last Days" and that the beginning of the millenium will occur within the next 25 yrs. If so, why?

My opinion:

LAST DAYS: We're already in them.

DAY OF THE SECOND COMING: April 6, 2033 (or in other words, and assuming our calendars are off, the day would be exactly 2000 years since Christ's resurrection)

I have nothing to back this up or prove it. It's just what I think will happen.

[prisonchaplain]

I grew up during a time of much speculation. The Mark IV movies were out (makes Left Behind look like high art, btw)--Distant Thunder, Thief in the Night, etc. Hal Lindsey's Late Great Planet Earth was less than a decade old. Heady times. Jesus was going to return at any moment! I still believe that. And, because we don't hear much talk about it anymore (burn out from Y2K), that possiblity is even greater (He'll come at a time when people do not expect).

The great advice I follow is to be ready at any moment, but prepare to live a long, worthy life.

[Hemidakota]

For the sake of a good discussion. How many forum members believe that we are indeed in the "Last Days" and that the beginning of the millennium will occur within the next 25 yrs. If so, why?

Some of us will be leaving this mortality very soon in order prepare for that coming day of the Savior.

[Hemidakota]

I grew up during a time of much speculation. The Mark IV movies were out (makes Left Behind look like high art, btw)--Distant Thunder, Thief in the Night, etc. Hal Lindsey's Late Great Planet Earth was less than a decade old. Heady times. Jesus was going to return at any moment! I still believe that. And, because we don't hear much talk about it anymore (burn out from Y2K), that possiblity is even greater (He'll come at a time when people do not expect).

The great advice I follow is to be ready at any moment, but prepare to live a long, worthy life.

LOL...I remember that book. Is he still alive?

[Hemidakota]

I say.........June 14, 2012. Why? Because that's the day I turn 40. Need I say more?

BTW - Willow you had better post quickly, you're at 666 posts.

2012? Enoch Calendar finally ends...

[speculation] My friend spoke of this ending on a sabbath day [don't know why he postulated the date], same day as church was formed.

[lilered]

I posed the question to see if I could draw out thoughts at to why or why not forum members believed the way they do. Many so called past and present religious experts have made various predications and so far most have missed. Some (Hal Lindsey and others)simply rehash their previous predications and alter them to indicate a new future date. Seems to me that while true no one knows the exact date (even the angels), we are however given many indicators in the scripture and by Church Prophets, as to approximate time.

So, what has yet to happen beforehand, that we have been told about, prior to the millinium?

[WillowTheWhisp]

This kind of comment drives me nuts, LOL :)

Please note, I am not singling-out WillowTheWhisp or anyone else.

Let's just clear this up right now.

The danger is not in speculating, the danger is in teaching that speculation as "offical" truth and rising up in rebellion with those in authority when they disagree with you.

Dear brothers and sisters -- it is OKAY to speculate, to ponder, to imagine, to question!!! If we don't ask, we can't get answers.

What we don't do is go around preaching it, which is not what is happening here. I would never tell ANYONE in an official church setting that the Second Coming will be on April 6, 2033, because not only has that not been revealed by the Brethren, but also because it is nothing more than supposition on my part. But if you ask me my opinion, you're going to get it.

So, please, let's stop with the "OH NO, let's not SPECULATE" kind of comments. Just make it clear to people that it is your opinion, or back it up with a link or a reference to why you believe the way you do. Notice I indicated a friend told me that. It wasn't even MY idea!

Pardon me.

I WAS just giving my opinion.

I didn't put the bold emphasis on it. You did.

[Moksha]

Sometime after the next ice age begins around a thousand years from now but before the Earth is consumed in the red giant the Sun will become in four billion years.

[WillowTheWhisp]

I wish it could be tomorrow.

[Hemidakota]

Will the Earth be rolled back to the presence of GOD?

[lilered]

Example:

Joel CHAPTER 2, 1-11

War and desolation precede the Second Coming—The sun and the moon shall be darkened—The Lord will pour out his Spirit upon all flesh—There will be dreams and visions.

1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy bmountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the cday of the Lord cometh, for it is nigh at hand;

2 A day of adarkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.

3 A fire adevoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of bEden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.

4 The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run.

5 Like the anoise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the bstubble, as a strong people set in battle array.

6 Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather ablackness.

7 They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks:

8 Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded.

9 They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief.

10 The aearth shall quake before them; the heavens shall btremble: the csun and the moon shall be ddark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:

11 And the Lord shall utter his avoice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the bday of the Lord is cgreat and very terrible; and who can dabide it?

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D&C 1:14-18,

14 And the aarm of the Lord shall be revealed; and the bday cometh that they who will not chear the voice of the Lord, neither the voice of his dservants, neither give eheed to the words of the prophets and fapostles, shall be gcut off from among the people;

15 For they have astrayed from mine bordinances, and have cbroken mine deverlasting covenant;

16 They aseek not the Lord to establish his righteousness, but every man bwalketh in his cown dway, and after the eimage of his own god, whose image is in the likeness of the world, and whose substance is that of an idol, which waxeth fold and shall perish in Babylon, even gBabylon the great, which shall fall.

17 Wherefore, I the Lord, aknowing the calamity which should come upon the binhabitants of the earth, ccalled upon my dservant Joseph Smith, Jun., and espake unto him from heaven, and gave him fcommandments;

18 And also gave commandments to others, that they should proclaim these things unto the world; and all this that it might be fulfilled, which was written by the prophets—

19 The aweak things of the world shall come forth and break down the mighty and strong ones, that man bshould not counsel his fellow man, neither ctrust in the arm of flesh—

20 But that every man might aspeak in the name of God the Lord, even the Savior of the world;

21 That faith also might increase in the earth;

22 That mine everlasting acovenant might be established;

23 That the afulness of my bgospel might be cproclaimed by the dweak and the simple unto the ends of the world, and before ekings and frulers.

24 Behold, I am God and have spoken it; these acommandments are of me, and were given unto my servants in their weakness, after the manner of their blanguage, that they might come to cunderstanding.

25 And inasmuch as they aerred it might be made known;

26 And inasmuch as they sought awisdom they might be binstructed;

27 And inasmuch as they sinned they might be achastened, that they might brepent;

28 And inasmuch as they were ahumble they might be made strong, and blessed from on high, and receive bknowledge from time to time.

37 aSearch these bcommandments, for they are true and cfaithful, and the prophecies and dpromises which are in them shall all be fulfilled.

38 What I the Lord have spoken, I have spoken, and I excuse not myself; and though the heavens and the earth pass away, my aword shall not pass away, but shall all be bfulfilled, whether by mine own cvoice or by the dvoice of my eservants, it is the fsame.

[prisonchaplain]

LOL...I remember that book. Is he still alive?

No, he went up with the rapture, two years ago. I'm joking...yes, I believe he is still offering spiritual commentary on prophecy. See: The Hal Lindsey Report - Home

[Misshalfway]

Will the Earth be rolled back to the presence of GOD?

Is that what the scriptures mean when they say the earth shall be "rolled like a scroll"? I was just reading that and didn't understand. But if it is rolled back to reveal the presence of God...that might make sense to me. Hmmm......

[Hemidakota]

Example:

Joel CHAPTER 2, 1-11

War and desolation precede the Second Coming—The sun and the moon shall be darkened—The Lord will pour out his Spirit upon all flesh—There will be dreams and visions.

1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy bmountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the cday of the Lord cometh, for it is nigh at hand;

2 A day of adarkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.

3 A fire adevoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of bEden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.

4 The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run.

5 Like the anoise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the bstubble, as a strong people set in battle array.

6 Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather ablackness.

7 They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks:

8 Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded.

9 They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief.

10 The aearth shall quake before them; the heavens shall btremble: the csun and the moon shall be ddark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:

11 And the Lord shall utter his avoice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the bday of the Lord is cgreat and very terrible; and who can dabide it?

&

D&C 1:14-18,

14 And the aarm of the Lord shall be revealed; and the bday cometh that they who will not chear the voice of the Lord, neither the voice of his dservants, neither give eheed to the words of the prophets and fapostles, shall be gcut off from among the people;

15 For they have astrayed from mine bordinances, and have cbroken mine deverlasting covenant;

16 They aseek not the Lord to establish his righteousness, but every man bwalketh in his cown dway, and after the eimage of his own god, whose image is in the likeness of the world, and whose substance is that of an idol, which waxeth fold and shall perish in Babylon, even gBabylon the great, which shall fall.

17 Wherefore, I the Lord, aknowing the calamity which should come upon the binhabitants of the earth, ccalled upon my dservant Joseph Smith, Jun., and espake unto him from heaven, and gave him fcommandments;

18 And also gave commandments to others, that they should proclaim these things unto the world; and all this that it might be fulfilled, which was written by the prophets—

19 The aweak things of the world shall come forth and break down the mighty and strong ones, that man bshould not counsel his fellow man, neither ctrust in the arm of flesh—

20 But that every man might aspeak in the name of God the Lord, even the Savior of the world;

21 That faith also might increase in the earth;

22 That mine everlasting acovenant might be established;

23 That the afulness of my bgospel might be cproclaimed by the dweak and the simple unto the ends of the world, and before ekings and frulers.

24 Behold, I am God and have spoken it; these acommandments are of me, and were given unto my servants in their weakness, after the manner of their blanguage, that they might come to cunderstanding.

25 And inasmuch as they aerred it might be made known;

26 And inasmuch as they sought awisdom they might be binstructed;

27 And inasmuch as they sinned they might be achastened, that they might brepent;

28 And inasmuch as they were ahumble they might be made strong, and blessed from on high, and receive bknowledge from time to time.

37 aSearch these bcommandments, for they are true and cfaithful, and the prophecies and dpromises which are in them shall all be fulfilled.

38 What I the Lord have spoken, I have spoken, and I excuse not myself; and though the heavens and the earth pass away, my aword shall not pass away, but shall all be bfulfilled, whether by mine own cvoice or by the dvoice of my eservants, it is the fsame.

You failed to include alot of revelations in the last twelve minor books of the OT, which heavily deals with the last days.

[Hemidakota]

Is that what the scriptures mean when they say the earth shall be "rolled like a scroll"? I was just reading that and didn't understand. But if it is rolled back to reveal the presence of God...that might make sense to me. Hmmm......

Prophet Brigham Young quote...

Interesting is what the JS wrote on the lands being rolled back in the north and both the land of Zion [Americas] and land of Jerusalem will be joined. [Ref: Evening & Morning Star Feb 1835]

[Hemidakota]

No, he went up with the rapture, two years ago. I'm joking...yes, I believe he is still offering spiritual commentary on prophecy. See: The Hal Lindsey Report - Home

Nice site...I notice he lives in the same region as me.

[Hemidakota]

Back to the topic:

1] Earth to be renewed

2] Restoration of the Earth

3] Earth to be restored to Paradisaical glory

4] Wicked will burn as stumble

5] Time of the First Resurrection

6] Non-members during the millennium

7] Temple built in Jerusalem

8] Garden of Eden area will be cleansed

9] Ten Tribe return to Americas

10] New Jerusalem will be built on the very spot of the garden

some more....

[jadams_4040]

The latter days started a long time ago.

'For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:' (Acts 2:15-17)

Those were the last days then and these are the last days now.

-a-train

Sounds like pretty good stuff, but i,m not really following? can you please give more detail as to the meaning of your statement.

[Still_Small_Voice]

Anyone heard of this prophecy Joseph Smith made on April 6th 1843:

"Were I going to prophesy, I would say the end would not come in 1844, five or six, or in forty years. There are those of the rising generation who shall not taste death till Christ comes.

I was once praying earnestly upon this subject, and a voice said unto me, 'My son, if thou livest until thou art eighty-five years of age, thou shalt see the face of the Son of Man.' I was left to draw my own conclusions concerning this, and I took the liberty to conclude that if I did live to that time, He would make His appearance. But I do not say whether he will make his appearance or I shall go where He is." History of the Church, Volume 5 page 336

I have pondered much over this prophecy. Here is possible interpretations of what I have come up with:

1) This prophesy could have reference to the appearance of Jesus Christ at Adam-ondi-Ahman.

2) There could have been very young children at the time Joseph Smith made this prophecy in 1843 that could have fathered children around the age of 77 with a younger mother. These children would have been born around 1921 and could live to around the year 2020 so it's possible the Second Coming could be around then.

3) Some people could be have been transfigured after Joseph Smith made this prophecy and thus could live until the Savior comes again which could push the date back to whenever.

4) This prophecy may not even have reference to the Second Coming of Christ. There could have been a group of righteous souls that have already had a personal visitation of Saviour and communed with Jesus which could also fulfill this prophecy.

Anyone else have any thoughts about this prophecy?