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There are terms that have been used to signal to others about secret societies and organizations. What @Phoenix_person said regarding 1488 and some of the other signalling is actually true. People waving Nazi flags, though it may be a mystery to you, are generally pretty racist. It also is not a mystery that currently (it has changed from side to side and left to right, they haven't always been in support of the Republican candidate and at times, were very much in support of the Democrats a few decades ago) Neo-Nazi's, KKK members, Arian nations, and other racists groups are mostly supporting Donald Trump in his campaign for presidency. With Joe Biden being forced out an Kamala Harris taking on the candidacy for the Democrat Party, they probably are even more in support of Donald Trump these days. I don't know why someone would be ignorant of this. It is not a secret in general, and for the most part has even been pointed out via conservative groups that try to distance them from such people. And that is probably the important thing for the discussion. It is not that certain groups are gravitating towards Donald Trump, but that not everyone who supports Donald Trump as president is part of those groups or thinks in that manner. There are groups that actively discriminate against Asians and Native Americans that are supporting President Harris. That's probably a more hidden facet of the situation surrounding the current election than the racist groups supporting Donald Trump. Most Democrats and others do not agree with those groups that discriminate in that manner either. Trying to dissuade each side that there are not secret organizations which seek to do others harm hiding in their mists probably is a task in futility. Neither side wants to admit the horrible people that they garner to try to improve their chances at winning. This election is not going to be pretty or nice. On a connected but different note There are many things that Donald Trump has said that probably should alarm people and that have been brought up. I have made no secret that I think he is an Anti-Christ if not The Anti-Christ. He's a pretty wicked man and not someone I would trust. In the same breath, there are many things that alarm me about Kamala Harris. To me, it appeared that there was basically a coup in the Democrat party which forced Harris out. It was a media tsunami of those trying to push him out, and that same storm of media has been trying to force us to believe Kamala Harris is the chosen one. They ignore scandals which she has been part of or participated in along with questionable items regarding her husband. Some people will vote for Harris, not because they like her, but because they probably feel that to choose Trump will actually cause them harm (and it may, depending on who they are. If they are legal immigrants, or even legal citizens who were born in the United States, but have parents that are illegal...I'd probably be very alarmed at some of Donald Trumps statements and be voting for Harris simply so my family can survive, even if I hated her). The media seems to take it in stride that people will vote for Harris simply because they fear what Trump may do to them if he wins. However, many people don't like being pushed. Many people don't like the media trying to tell them how to think. Many people are upset at how the media just supposes they are sheep to be herded whatever way the media likes. On top of that there are those that have valid concerns about the economy and how they are going to survive if things persist in the same manner as they have over the past four years. It doesn't matter how good the government says the economy is doing if you are struggling to keep a roof over your head and facing hunger because you don't have enough money to buy food. These people have valid concerns and many do not feel Harris is giving adequate answers on how to solve the issue (the worst way, though it may work, would be a recession or depression with massive deflation occurring...which would be a very hard and harsh way for things to get cheaper). It doesn't matter if the Media says everything is sunshine and roses if your personal experience is showing that this is absolutely not true. The Media can only mask things so far before people don't believe them and instead trust their own experiences in this economy. So, this election is far closer than anyone probably felt it would be or should be...at least in the polls currently. I think the media has taken their power for granted, pushed too hard against what people want, and ignored the true problems that are happening in the US currently. That spells problems for the Democrats. They are running out of time to correct their course because right now, I don't see them having a large enough margin to guarantee a win, and that should scare the wits out of the Democrat Party. That doesn't mean a guaranteed win for the Republican party by far. They probably should be seeing if they can skirt by the skin of their teeth if possible, because it could very easily be that the Democrats pull it off and may even get an electoral landslide if the Republicans aren't careful. I still think Trump is going to win, either fairly or by cheating...but we will see. Just like the Beast, people thought he was dead (politically) and gone. But, if he wins he will be like a resurrected creature that has risen from the dead, and with how people seem to worship him...well...it sure seems like it could be a fulfillment of prophecy. There is a reason we are warned in the scriptures how even the elect will be deceived. If not him, I expect something or someone like him will be an echo of this, as the one who is slain and rises afterwards will need to be someone religious people (who you would expect would know better) will be enthusiastic about and try to claim is the righteous choice no matter how wicked the individual really is. PS: And yes, I know that the historically astute may also point out to Teddy Roosevelt...but he never was worshiped by the Religious in way that he could do no wrong...and never had a golden idol built of himself for them to wander their gaze at.

For several decades now, various left-wing groups have claimed that various words, phrases, and slogans used by right-wing politicians were code-words meant to incite various hate groups and violent actors that the left believed were somehow lurking in the shadows waiting to pounce. Even when the left couldn't actually say *what* those words and slogans were, they were *certain* such code-words were in use and that we had to fear anyone who wasn't overtly left-wing because it must surely mean the person was up to something sinister. In extreme instances, the left would fabricate new definitions of words that nobody on the right was actually using. For example, after Trump won in 2016 several hardcore leftists were falsely claiming that "snowflake" was a reference to the ashes from the crematoriums in Germany during the Nazi era, and so if anyone called a person a "snowflake" it meant that they were wanting to kill them. In reality, the term had been in use as a pejorative since the late 1990s, having first appeared in the film "Fight Club" and most likely being a response to the overuse of the "special snowflake" metaphor in "character-building" educational material that had been introduced in the public school system earlier in the decade; most people who used that term thus used it to mean that they felt a person was too emotionally fragile, physically soft, and ego-driven to be of value to society. Ultimately, this nonsense is all just evidence that quite a few people on the left see the right as a collective bogeyman and fear those who hold views opposite theirs.

Three thoughts. At work I wear a black t-shirt over my garment top. A set of body armor over that and a dark blue uniform shirt over that. I wear dark blue pants. I wear black boots. I wear gear on a duty belt that is all black. Needless to say I am hot and uncomfortable year round for at least 40 hours a week. I have no patience for people who whine that their garments are hot and/or uncomfortable. I am eligible to wear black garments. Really...I am. I choose not to. I most likely will continue to wear the same mesh I've been wearing for decades.

A fellow temple worker the other day said he still wears the one piece style. Says you have to call them to put in the order.

I just don’t buy that. I’ve met so many great people on social media, including a friend whose wedding I was in as best man. I also joined the church largely due to social media. Social media is what you make of it.

lol same. Except here are things that people have called me or said to me. (If any of them sound tame, try adding the word 'f*ck*ng' in front of it, because it's usually there.) - Nazi Bootlicker - Brownshirt - Actual Nazi - Alt-right racist [beep] - Transphobe who wants to genocide trans kids - I've been invited to drink bleach and die in a hole. - I've been invited to unalive myself. - A buddy of a left-leaning buddy on FB threatened to get me fired from my job and ruin my family. The shared buddy ended up apologizing for him, defending him with "he's had some hard times lately" @Phoenix_person, I appreciate the crap out of how civil and polite you've been. Mormons in general, and Thirdhour is no exception, are mostly on the right side of center, and you're in the minority here. I'm grateful to have someone on the left with some brain cells to rub together, willing to engage me in civil debate. Even as we run up to the election. Especially as we run up to the election. I had a leftie FB arguing buddy for years on FB. Unfortunately, his PTSD got the worst of him during the George Floyd stuff when everything was on fire and gunshots were going off. He became nastier and nastier, pursuing me as I tried to stop arguing with him. I finally had to block him. I'm glad to find another leftie with which to argue.

BTW, one of the main reasons I'm still on these forums at all is because there are so many rules in place limiting what we can say. Heck, I've been here long enough to remember a time when several of current "current events" threads on here would have violated site rules. I think that temperance is a good thing and that we could use more of it, not less, on more mainstream parts of the internet. I can't count the times I've tried to have discussions like this on FB or Twitter only to be called a series of inaccurate slurs and blocked. As much as I get frustrated by this place sometines, it's nice to have somewhere I can go to discuss things like the economy and health care reform without being called a Jewish pedo cuck. That last one is a personal favorite of Royce White, the GOP candidate running against Amy Klobuchar. The Minnesota GOP hasn't recognized his primary victory on any of their official platforms, and it's easy to see why if you look at his official platforms.

As a kid I grew up wearing crew-neck undershirts, and that has been my preference for garment tops as well. I bought a couple of “crew neck” tops a month or two ago and was surprised to see that they had more of a scoop neck. Did a little checking and it sounds like the Church made a point of lowering the neckline on “crew-neck” garments a couple of years ago. I have typically thought that in a professional context, when wearing a button-down shirt with the top button open, it looked a little cleaner/sharper if a bit of crew-necked white undershirt was visible rather than having a bit of the wearer’s chest (hair) be on display. But apparently the Brethren disagree . . .

Do you know what you end up with if you put 25 female pigs in a fenced area with 25 male dear? Answer – you end up with “50 sows and bucks”. But you may have to say this (inside the quotation marks) out laude in order to understand why engineers think this is accounting (investment) humor. The Traveler