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Good post PC!
After some reading about making DC a state (sometime back) ..... it is written somewhere in the Constitution about the area of our nation's capitol (federal district?)  cannot belong to a state, it has to be it's own entity.  Not that it would stop the Dems for trying....it's like what you said "meant to be bent to their will".... they don't seem to take the Constitution seriously.  I'm sure that the rest of DC could incorporate into a state....  but I'm sure it would require a Constitutional Amendment. 

I was actually trying for a bit o humor 
You don't have to tell me about the media lying to us...... well known fact to those that don't have blinders on. They tend to use their position to try to sway the public to the left side by "reporting" everything but factual truth. Yes, lies.  I don't watch liberal "news" shows for facts... actually I can't stomach the lies, hatred and venom they spew. They seem to instill fear and panic to those who believe what they are "reporting".
BBC is more factual than our countries mainstream media. 
I think that the hate filled, vindictive media have joined up with the Gadianton Robbers to destroy the people.

Actually, if you follow the context of the thread, it was the media that was lying to us. And they still do.
Just recently, they spread the lie that a medication that Trump took to treat COVID was experimental and extremely dangerous. So, Trump's condition had to be severe for them to risk that.Turns out that it has been around a long time and is used to treat a whole host of conditions from mild asthma to severe pneumonia.
Yes, the media lies to us all the time.
I'm not sure what you're referring to here.  But, yes, the media always lies in favor of liberal politicians and against conservative ones.  If people simply stopped listening to the media and researched stuff from independents then we'd have a much more conservative government and people.

BINGO!
The mainstream media makes it so easy for people to become and remain 'low information voters'. The Left leaning mainstream media spoon-feeds people their same biased talking points and many folks, being generally lazy, take it at face value. They never bother to dig any deeper, learn more for themselves or investigate the other side of the story = hence 'low information voter'.
The far left loves 'low information voters'. They typically play to their emotions only.
Ex. "Trump is a racist!!!"
Most people strongly oppose racism. All the mainstream media needs to do is call Trump a racist over and over and over again... low information voters then believe he actually is a racist and thus oppose him.  Trump has repeatedly denounced white supremacist, yet the media repeatedly demands he do it again and again as evidenced once more in the last debate. 

Low information voters don't dig any further. Just like rioters that spawn up 'immediately' after an event. They don't dig, they don't wait for facts to be heard first... 100% emotional low information driven.
 

One of my favorites !  I wouldn't watch it with my younger grandchildren.... but I know the older ones would love it as much as I do. 
 

Yes it is.  It's another one we have in our collection (many disney films in our videos).
 
From Left to Right that is Fflewder, Eilonwy, Gurgi, and Taran...and of course...Hen Wen.

Anyone remember "The Rescue"  (late 80s) about a group of kids who end up going to rescue their military dads from North Korea. Loved that movie! 
 And I love Hallmark movies..... I'm a sap that way.  
Pollyanna and The Three Lives of Thomasina (old Disney)  favorites through out my life

Should POTUS select someone to fill that seat? YES!  I think that the Dems are having a fit because the GOP seems to have flip-flopped from 2016, but from what I remember that previous decision was based on the fact that Obama was finishing out his term limit. Trump is not finishing out his term limit- he is going into his second term. And thus, according to the Constitution, President Trump has a duty to do his job.   If this was his second term- the Dems might have a real argument, but it's not..... so they don't.
 

I remember ads for that movie, now that you mention it.  I never saw it, but I think I recall ads about it.
We have the Video of Pollyanna for our kids (though now for the grandkids also, perhaps moreso) to watch in our video collection.  I have seen it, but I do not think we have Thomasina though.

Yes there are modern Gadiantons and secret combinations.
After speaking about the dangers of Communism, President David O. McKay then gave this warning, "Latter-day Saints should have nothing to do with secret combinations and groups antagonistic to the constitutional law of the land." (David O. McKay, Conference Report, Oct 1939)


"The ancient Prophet Moroni saw our day, who can doubt that he had in mind the evils of godless communism when he gave this solemn warning: "Wherefore, O ye Gentiles, it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you... Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when you shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you. . . For it cometh to pass that whoso buildeth it up seeketh to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations and countries; and it bringeth to pass the destruction of all people, for it is built up by the devil, who is the father of all lies. . ." (Ezra Taft Benson, quoting from Ether 8:23-25,Conference Report Oct 1960)

 
After quoting Ether 8:23-25 [see the quote above], Ezra Taft Benson then said, "Today, the international, criminal, communist conspiracy fits this Book of Mormon description perfectly, for there is a combination of gangsters who lust for power, who have liquidated some 70 million [today the estimate ranges as high as 200 million] people, brought one-third of the world's population under bondage, and who seek to overthrow the freedom of all nations. . ." (Ezra Taft Benson, The Book Of Mormon Warns America, speech given at BYU, May 21, 1968 and as quoted in An Enemy Hath Done This, Chapter 29, pg. 328)

 
"Joseph Smith said that the Book of Mormon was the 'keystone of our religion' and the 'most correct' book on Earth (Doctrinal History of the Church, Vol. 6, p. 56). This most correct book on Earth states that the downfall of two great American civilizations came as a result of secret conspiracies whose desire was to overthrow the freedom of the people. 'And they have caused the destruction of this people of whom I am now speaking', says Moroni, 'and also the destructions of the people of Nephi (Ether 8:21).' Now undoubtedly Moroni could have pointed out many factors that led to the destruction of the people, but notice how he singled out the secret combinations, just as the Church today could point out many threats to peace, prosperity, and the spread of God's work, but it has singled out the greatest threat as the godless conspiracy. There is no conspiracy theory in the Book of Mormon--it is a conspiracy fact. Then Moroni speaks to us in this day and says, 'wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you . . ." (Ezra Taft Benson, CR, April 1972, Ensign, pg. 49-53)

 
"Whenever the God of Heaven reveals His gospel to mankind, Satan, the archenemy to Christ, introduces a counterfeit. . . Communism introduced into the world a substitute for true religion, It is a counterfeit of the gospel plan . . . Today, we are in the battle for the bodies and souls of man. It is a battle between two opposing systems: freedom and slavery, Christ and AntiChrist. . . More recently, President Marion G. Romney, in the 1st Pres. message in the September 1979 Ensign, wrote: 'Communism is Satan's counterfeit for the gospel plan, and . . . it is an avowed enemy of the God of the land. Communism is the greatest Anti-Christ power in the world today and therefore the greatest menace not only to our peace but to our preservation as a free people. By the extent to which we tolerate it, accomodate ourselves to it, permit ourselves to be encircled by its tentacles and drawn to it, to that extent we forfeit the protection of the God of the Land. . .' So I say with all the energy of my soul that unless we as citizens of this nation forsake our sins, political and otherwise, and return to the fundamental principles of Christianity and of Constitutional government, we will lose our political liberties, our free institutions and will stand in jeopardy before God. . . There are some things we can and must do at once if we are to stave off a holocaust of destruction. . . We must awaken to a 'sense of our awful situation because of the secret combination which is among us' (Ether 8:24). We must not tolerate accomodation with or appeasement toward the false system of communism. . ." (Ezra Taft Benson, CR, Oct. 1979; Ensign, Nov 1979, pgs. 43-47)

 
"Shortly before the wicked were destroyed at the time of the crucifixion, the Gadianton robbers obtained, 'the sole management of the government' among the Nephites, 'insomuch that they did trample under their feet and smite and rend and turn their backs upon the poor and the meek, and the humble followers of God' (Helaman 6:39). Their Minions filled 'the judgement seats', they usurped 'the ower and authority of the land', 'condemned the righteous because of their righteousness' and let 'the guilty and the wicked go unpunished because of their money'. 'They sought to get gain and glory of the world', that they might 'more easily commit adultery, and steal, and kill, and do according to their own wills' (Helaman 7:4-5). These Nephite descriptions of the secret combinations of their day give us an understanding of what their prophets meant when they spoke of like evil organizations in the last days . . . Moroni also said that these secret combinations caused the destruction of the Jaredite and Nephite nations and will cause our destruction if we permit them to control our government . . . Moroni here (Ether 8:23-35) speaks of one particular secret combination and prophecies that it will be among us in our day. Next Moroni turns the key so that all who have ears to hear can understand what the secret combination is and can identify those who build it up. 'For it cometh to pass', he says, 'that whoso buildeth it up seeketh to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations, and countries'. This is a worldwide conspiracy. It is now entrenched in many nations, and it seeks dominion over all nations. It is godless, atheistic, and operates by compulsion. It is communism." (Bruce R. McConkie, The Millenial Messiah, p. 65-66)

 
"Concerning the United States, the Lord revealed to his prophets that its greatest threat would be a vast, world-wide 'secret combination' which would not only threaten United States but also seek to 'overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations, and countries' (Ether 8:25). In connection with attack on the United States, the Lord told the Prophet Joseph Smith there would be an attempt to overthrow the country by destroying the Constitution. Joseph Smith predicted that the time would come when the Constitution would hang, as it were, by a thread, and at that time 'this people will step forth and save it from threatened destruction' (Journal History, Brigham Young's Speech, July 4, 1854). . . . The Prophet Moroni seemed greatly exercised lest inour day we might not be able to recognize the startling fact that the same secret societies which destroyed the Jaredites and decimated numerous kingdoms of both Nephites and Lamanites would be precisely the same form of criminial conspiracy which would rise up among the gentile nations in this day. The strategems of the leaders of these societies are amazingly familiar to anyone who has studied the tactics of modern communist leaders. The Lord has declared that before the second coming of Christ it will be necessary to 'destroy the secret works of darkness . . ' in order to preserve the land of Zion--the Americas (2 Nephi 10: 11-16). The world-wide secret conspiracy which has risen up in our day to fulfill these prophecies is easily identified. President Mckay has left no room for doubt as to what attitude Latter-day Saints should take toward the modern 'secret combination' of conspiratorial communism . . ." (Ezra Taft Benson, CR, Oct 1961, p. 69-75)

 
"President McKay has called Communism the greatest threat to the Church today." (David O. McKay, CR, Priesthood Session, April 9, 1966)

 
"The conflict between communism and freedom is the problem of our time. It overshadows all other problems." (David O. McKay, CR, Oct. 1959)

 
"We call upon all church members completely to eschew communism. The saftey of our divinely inspired Constitutional government and the welfare of our Church imperatively demand that Communism shall have no place in America. . . I must say I do think the Communist conspiracy is one of the greatest menaces in history." (David O. McKay, 1st Presidency Message, Statements on Communism and the Constitution of the United States, 1964, p. 28)

 
". . . the Book of Mormon brings men to Christ through two basic means. . . [the second of which is] the Book of Mormon exposes the enemies of Christ. . . God, with his infinite foreknowledge, so molded the Book of Mormon that we might see the error and know how to combat false. . . political. . . concepts of our time. . . Now, we have not been using the Book of Mormon as we should. . . our families may be corrupted by worldly trends and teachings unless we know how to use the book to expose and combat the falsehoods in socialism, organic evolution, rationalism, humanism, etc. . . Our Nation will continue to degenerate unless we read and heed the words of the God of this land, Jesus Christ, and quit building up and upholding the secret combinations which the Book of Mormon tells us proved the downfall of both previous American civilizations." (Ezra Taft Benson, CR, April 5, 1975, when Ezra Taft Benson became the Prophet of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints he repeated this talk at least 37 different times, at every Regional Conference he attended, The Regional Representatives Seminar, reprinted as the 1st Presidency message in the Ensign, at talks he gave at different Wards he attended, etc.)

 
"To all who have discerning eyes, it is apparent that the republican form of government established by our noble forefathers cannot long endure once fundamental principles are abandoned. Momentum is gathering for another conflict--a repetition of the crisis of two hundred years ago. This collision of ideas is worldwide. Another monumental moment is soon to be born. The issue is the same that precipitated the great premortal conflict--will men be free to determine their own course of action or must they be coerced? We are fast approaching that moment prophesied by Joseph Smith when he said, 'even this nation will be on the very verge of crumbling to pieces and tumbling to the ground, and when the Constitution is upon the brink of ruin, this people will be the staff upon which the nation shall lean, and they shall bear the Constitution away from the very verge of destruction.' (July 19, 1840, Church Historians Office, SLC)." (Ezra Taft Benson, The Constitution: A Heavenly Banner, Deseret Book, 1986, p. 27-28)

 
"I testify that wickedness is rapidly expanding in every segment of our society (see D&C 1: 14-16; 84: 49-53). It is more highly organized, more cleverly disguised and more powerfully promoted than ever before. Secret Combinations lusting for power, gain, and glory are flourishing. A Secret Combination that seeks to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations and countries is increasing its evil influence and control over America and the entire world (see Ether 8: 18-25)." (President Ezra Taft Benson, General Conference, October 1988)

 
During his tenure as a General Authority Ezra Taft Benson quoted from Ether 8:23-25 more often than Any other scripture!

 
The importance of the Book of Ether is highlighted by the following verses:

Mosiah 8:9, 12, 19; 21:27; 28:11,12,17,19

Alma 37:21-32

Helaman 6:26

Ether 1:2; 3:22; 15:33

 
Insight into the aims, methods, strategy, etc., of Secret Combinations are illustrated by numerous verses among which are these:

Alma 8:16,17; 10:27; 30:6-53; 43:29,45; 46:4-7, 10; 47:4,8,18,24,30,35; 48:1,7; 51:2,5-8, 13; 61:4; 62:9-10

Helaman 1:7-12; 2:1-14; 3:23; 4:22; 6:17-41; 7:4-5, 25; 8:1-4,7; 10:6,11; 11:10,26

3 Nephi 1:27; 2:11-12, 17-19; 3:1-26; 6:21-30; 7:1-2; 9:9

4 Nephi 42

Mormon 8:27

Ether 8:9-26; 9:5-6

 
Insight can be gained by studying the Lamanites claim to legitimate power and authority:

Mosiah 10:12,15

2 Nephi 5:1-3

Alma 54:17,24

3 Nephi 3:10

 
"Behold, I speak unto you as if ye were present, and yet ye are not. But behold, Jesus Christ hath shown you unto me, and I know your doing" (Mormon 8:34-35).

 
If they say our day, and chose those things which would be of greatest worth to us, is not that how we should study the Book of Mormon? We should constantly ask ourselves, 'Why did the Lord inspire Mormon (or Moroni, or Alma) to include that in his record? What lesson can I learn from that to help me live in this day and age? . . . From the Book of Mormon we see the evils of Secret Combinations portrayed in graphic and chilling reality." (Ezra Taft Benson, CR, October 1986, Ensign, November 1986, pgs. 6-7)


 
 

A good ole greasy cheeseburger, MAGA hat, and apple pie should counter act any side effects

I'm sure this will shock some of you but thought I would let you all know, that yesterday I volunteered for the vaccine trials for Covid-19, held up in the Ogden Utah area. The vaccine is one that was created in Russia. I received my first shot yesterday at 4:00 pm, and I wanted to let you all know that it’s completely safe, with иo side effects whatsoeveя, and that I feelshκι χoρoshό я чувствую себя немного странно и я думаю, что вытащил ослин.

A note about impeachment and the operations of conspiring organizations to manipulate and control (in order to prevent the citizens from electing and controlling their own governments).  When the impeachment of President Clinton was presented to the Senate the speaker of the house Newt Gingrich recused himself from operating in the Senate as a "Manager" over the fuss the Democrats made over him being two partial and thus preventing fairness.  I would submit the the first step towards a secret takeover of a free country would be a double standard in the enforcement of the law.  And the first sign of a secret combination is the protection from fellow members from being subject to the laws.  In short able to transgress the law and deliberately not brought to justice. 
 
The Traveler

If FamilySearch will let you, reserve her name for ordinances yourself (you don't actually have to do the ordinances; just reserve the name).  If her name is already showing "reserved", I would contact the FamilySearch customer service desk at 1-866-406-1830.  They'll probably have to transfer you a few times; but eventually they should be able to get you to someone who can solve the problem.

It's not that simple. What if you had to take a business trip, returned home, and discovered that your wife had had your recently-turned-eight-year-old child baptized in your absence?
There's something special about actually participating in the ordinance itself. Obviously, for a given ancestor, not every Mormon descendant can be part of that. But I don't think it is asking too much to expect that, if a decedent remains in living memory of his descendants, the ordinance should be done by (or at least, at the behest of) an honest-to-gosh descendant.

It also means that someone did this without permission.  You must have permission from any living relative.  I'm a stickler about this.  I have an aunt whose work was done but I know neither she nor my living uncle would have ever given permission. Of course I would have wanted her work done but I also believe in following the rules. It specifically asks if you have permission to do this work.
 
So I totally get where you are coming from.

Hello all,
 
I recently stated working on my family history.  I was building my family tree in FamilySearch and I noticed my grandmother's temple work was actively being done.  This makes me very upset, as my mother is still alive and a staunch Baptist who would totally not approve her mom's work being done (she still not comfortable with my own conversion).
 
Is there anything I can do? 
 
I don't know how to tell who submitted the names, and my grandma has no LDS relatives besides myself.  Best I can tell someone submitted the names in a mass group and aren't doing themselves (baptism, confirmation, and initiatory were done on 3 different continents).  If this were some long dead relative I won't be bothered as much, but it's my grandma...

Just a thought...consider how comfortable you are when you see Xmas during the Christmas season.
If you support the notion of not taking Christ out of Christmas, it’s only logical you’d support not taking Christ out of the name of His Church.
But even more important than the Church’s name is how its members think of themselves.  Do we really know whose we are?  That we were bought for a price?  If so, why would we ever react in any manner other than enthusiastically to an invitation to always have Christ on our lips, in our minds, and in our hearts.

The internet.
The church began emphasizing the church name over "Mormon" a decade ago, and their search hits fell dramatically.  People simply couldn't find official sources when they searched for Mormon stuff.  So, they did SEO techniques to get people to official information using the search term "Mormon"  I think they still do, but are now directing to Latter-day Saint sites, and hopefully they can correct misconceptions.  And I think the Sister Wives and the Warren Jeffs news really confused people on who were Mormons.  So the church is smart to just abandon the fringe Mormon news from official use by just not using Mormon any more.

The correct name of the Church has been stressed by leadership since the earliest days of the Restoration. Just in my lifetime (born in '63), I remember many times when our leadership in Salt Lake City has cautioned us not to become too casual in referring to the Church, and specifically that we do not belong to "the Mormon Church".
If President Nelson has done anything differently than many previous apostles and prophets, it is that:
1. He emphasized not only the correct name of the Church, but also that we, as Saints, are not "Mormons". We are "Latter-day Saints".
2. He openly stressed what other leaders have only hinted at or said in less plain language: That the Lord is grieved at our hard-heartedness when we claim to take upon ourselves His name, yet call both his Church and his Saints by a name other than that of Jesus Christ. The fact that Mormon was a great prophet is of no moment; we don't call ourselves "Mosesites" or "Josephites" or even "Brighamites" (though I like the ring of that last one).
The Lord uses callings, service, and ultimately life and death itself to call a specific man to lead the Church. It is no mere accident that President Nelson leads us today. He perhaps feels more keenly than did some of his predecessors the grievance of misusing the name of the Church and the Saints. That doesn't mean that they were not inspired, only that they didn't feel that issue as deeply as President Nelson.
Look, there are literally thousands of issues, small and some great, that keep us from being the people we should be. If you think the prophet leading the Church today should make an emphasis on all such things RIGHT NOW, we would be completely overwhelmed, buried in our imperfections and condemned before God. But God does not require us to live a celestial law right this moment; he allows us to grow line upon line, and reveals himself precept upon precept. He has taught us since the earliest days of the Restoration that we are his people and should call ourselves in his name, and that his Church must be called by his name. This is not new or surprising, except perhaps to the youngest children or most recent converts. But now the Lord, through the agency of President Nelson, is bringing this issue to the forefront. We have failed in years (and generations) past to live up to expectations in this, so the Lord is calling us to repentance. Thank God.

Yes chuck all the importants on a USB or on Cloud you can find lists online on things you want to keep incase of an emergancey

I agree that it appears he was being piled upon.
Having read some of what Bart Ehrman has written about the New Testament texts, I find that I have modified the 8th Article of Faith in my own mind to read: "We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it was transmitted accurately and is translated correctly".  Witness the Johannine Comma, and tell me that even if that was translated correctly, it represents true doctrine.  I trust the New Testament, and love it, but I only trust it implicitly so far as it correlates with modern revelation and the Book of Mormon. See DC 91:2 in connection with the Apocrypha: "There are many things contained therein that are not true, which are interpolations by the hands of men."  Besides the Apocrypha what is there in the NT besides the Comma that is an "interpolation by the hand of men"? 
The Book of Mormon itself verifies my caution:
Wherefore, thou seest that after the book hath gone forth through the hands of the great and abominable church, that there are many plain and precious things taken away from the book, which is the book of the Lamb of God. [1 Nephi 13:28]  (see 1 Nephi 13:20-29 for the full context)
As for Sons of Perdition, I'm pretty sure King David is not one.  Don't know about Judas, but it he is a member of that club, so be it.
 

I understand the history of the poster and it APPEARED to me that it was a big pile on.
It's not just this thread either.  There were some instances where that poster has quoted direct scriptures (the one that made my jaw drop was where he basically just quoted a scripture and someone disagreed with the scripture...I think purely because it was the poster of discussion who quoted it rather than anything else) and people disagreed with the scripture. 
The poster in some threads actually just simply quoted scripture and to my surprise, instead of interpreting it how they understood the scripture...simply disagreed that the scriptures were correct.  That was a little Jaw Dropping.  There comes a point where one must ask if they are disagreeing just to disagree or whether we are actually reading what is posted and thinking about it.
One reason I sometimes write VERY LONG posts is because I understand how easy it is to be misunderstood.  I try to over explain in many instances simply so that, hopefully, they do not misconstrue what my thought is (and even then, sometimes I still fail at the attempt).
If we are discussing @Rob Osborn and what he posted, posting that he feels Judas Iscariot is a Son of Perdition as per the exact statements that the Lord made in the New Testament, and then cross referenced with the words of what makes a Son of Perdition with the exact wording of the Lord about Judas in the New Testament and the D&C is not against church doctrine. 
What he has expressed is that his opinion on the matter is not exactly aligned with the opinion (and Joseph F. Smith made clear it was his opinion....on the otherhand, Joseph Fielding Smith did not exactly make it clear that it was his opinion and actually was writing as if it was a doctrine of salvation...so...) of some Prophets and General Authorities.
However, it was not contrary (as they each never said that Judas was NOT a Son of Perdition and in fact stated that if he actually was able to meet certain conditions that he undeniably WOULD BE a Son of Perdition), but did not share the doubt (as they also stated that they were uncertain whether he could have had the knowledge to even become one, and hence, did not know if he actually was or was not) that they did regarding Judas's final situation.
In the overall picture, it is a VERY SMALL thing.  I find it far more crazy that there are those who appear (and as I've said, appearances can be deceiving) to be arguing that Judas may have been right all along or had the best intentions towards the Savior and the Twelve when he betrayed our Lord.  That is FAR different than anything our Prophets and General Authorities have stated and as I tried to make clear, unless we have a direct revelation that says something like that, everything I've seen and read is that Judas committed some very grievous sins and did some very terrible things when he betrayed our Lord.
This defense of Judas seems strange to me and why I stated in an earlier post
There are many Saints who have the same or at least a very similar opinion to what @Rob Osborn stated.  Though I imagine most do not have a binary idea of the afterlife as he does and which influences his thoughts on the matter greatly, the idea that Judas is a Son of Perdition in that he is going to outer darkness rather than one of the THREE DEGREES OF GLORY is actually something I find is quite common among the Saints.  I have heard it many times in Church and other locations that Judas Iscariot is a Son of Perdition (and of course we have that of which was stated by the Lord in the New Testament).  This was not from Saints in apostasy, but at times by Leaders of the Church (Stake Presidents and even Area Authorities).  This is not some new or off the wall idea.  In my life it is a very common belief and opinion.  Thus, to crash down on a poster who is stating the same idea does not sit all that well with me.
Thus, it seems very unfair and more like a pile on to a poster (especially when it is know that discussing it in such a manner will probably just mean that a poster will keep replying).
On the otherhand, we DO have the opinions of some very enlightened men (Joseph F. Smith saw the spirit world and received revelation on it, and other unpublished items have his commentary on even further).  I think some have misconstrued these Prophets and General Authorities opinion on the matter.  They NEVER STATED (that I am aware of) that Judas was NOT a Son of Perdition.  Ever.  In fact, in many of their statements they say he very well could be if he had the knowledge to do so.  What they say is that they have doubts that he could have had this knowledge to become such.  In their mind then, it seems as if they are saying that we cannot judge or know his final fate at this time, but as with us all, it will be up to the Lord and his judgment. 
That said, I think it is a GREAT and GOOD thing to bring up what they said about this matter in this thread.  I think it helps with our understanding and helps to enlighten our minds and spirits in regards to these ideas.  I think it is praiseworthy that people have thought about such things and bring them up.  I think some have been very correct in their understanding regarding Prophets like Joseph F. Smith and the greater picture on how he did not know what Judas's fate was and the knowledge required to fall into such a fallen state.  I find that those who did so in this thread did a praiseworthy action.
To say that we do not know the final fate, or that it is up to the Lord and his judgment or items like that I feel is also a good opinion. 
However, it is NOT an uncommon belief among the Saints in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to number Judas Iscariot among the Sons of Perdition.  I have heard it multiple times within the Church and even during Church lessons.  I think acknowledging this is a common belief among Saints and moving on is better than what has occurred.  (IN MY OPINION...which should be obvious).  I think it is GREAT that we also mention the Prophets such as JSF and his son's opinion on the matter and their expressions of the situation.  They had access to a great deal of revelation and insight in spiritual matters and their words should hold a great deal of weight (and they do with me).  But, one should also recognize that there are some beliefs or ideas that are very common in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints among it's members, and that when one expresses one of these common beliefs it should be understood as such.
I'm positive I'm not the ONLY one who has heard on multiple occasions that Judas is a Son of Perdition while at church.

Thanks for your defense. I do believe it was a pile on. I quote a lot of scripture, it's my usual source. People seem enamored with manuals and opinions of prophets over scripture. This past week, as I have contemplated while in purgatory, I have come to a better understanding of truth and how it's separate from "doctrine" as doctrine is merely "that which is taught". But thanks for the defense.

Hi Pam! Yep, it's me jumping to the defense of someone I don't know of. You'd think I would learn wouldn't you?  I was only thinking about what I was reading on this one discussion, and not on other (previous) ones. I understood the scriptures he posted, and honestly didn't see anything troubling about his posts on this subject.
Of course it was after only 2 hours of sleep, and upper body agony from helping push a stuck car out of snow ruts.  Maybe I should reread the pages of posts and see what I missed........ after I am able to get a decent night's sleep.
:-)