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    mrmarklin reacted to clwnuke in What if the USA's position on polygamy changed?   
    On a more serious note, I think this is highly likely in the future as the legal reasons to keep it unlawful seem to be on ever more shaky ground.
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    mrmarklin reacted to mikbone in Why Do We Reference Heavenly Mother and Not Heavenly Mothers?   
    1 Corinthians 8 
    5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
    6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
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    mrmarklin reacted to Vort in BYU - Call to Arms   
    BYU was still on his list until the Seminary teacher shared the talk with the kids yesterday. You can say the musket backfired...
    Backfired? On the contrary, having such a young man forego BYU is successfully placing a musket ball right between the eyes. Would that all such young men (and women) would take BYU off their lists and go to a "real university" instead.
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    mrmarklin reacted to Vort in BYU - Call to Arms   
    He literally just said he was not. If you refuse to take his words at face value, why should you expect to have yours so taken?
    I heartily disbelieve this. For the past 25 years, I have raised my family on one unimpressive salary (and sometimes no salary for months at a time) in one of the more expensive markets in the nation. We did not live in a huge house. We had three boys sharing a triple bunk bed. We never ate out. When we took the occasional vacation, it was to someplace within a day's drive. We owned used vehicles.
    And despite whatever failures you may assign to my efforts to provide for my family, we were and are happy. On one income. In the Seattle area.
    So no, I don't buy the weak excuse of "we HAVE to have two incomes just to make ends meet!" For every family who makes that claim truthfully, I can show you ten who simply live above their income.
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    mrmarklin reacted to LDSGator in LGBTQ+ Missionaries   
    I don’t care about the sexual preference of a missionary.
    But, I feel strongly that an LDS mission is NOT the time to express your sexuality, no matter what it is. 
    LGBTQ+ or not, if you can’t control yourself you really should not go on a mission. 
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    mrmarklin got a reaction from raven2 in How will you follow the Prophet’s Counsel?   
    I repeat:  I don’t obey mandates from wannabe dictators. I won’t argue the merits, but it’s in the US constitution. 
    Obviously, if one doesn’t live in the US there can be different rules. 
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    mrmarklin got a reaction from raven2 in How will you follow the Prophet’s Counsel?   
    As a US citizen I do not obey mandates from wannabe dictators. YMMV.  Frankly, I’m ashamed that the average American appears to be a sheeple  
    I view the recent advice from the GAs as PR. 
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    mrmarklin got a reaction from Anddenex in How will you follow the Prophet’s Counsel?   
    Because according to the US constitution, there is a bill of rights. Abridging things such as church attendance, or any peaceful assembly is specifically prohibited. Where, except in a politician’s feeble brain, is the government’s right to mandate me doing anything I don’t want to do in this phony emergency?
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    mrmarklin reacted to mikbone in Utah Gasoline Prices Are Ridiculous   
    Come to California.  It will make you feel much better.
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    mrmarklin got a reaction from Vort in How will you follow the Prophet’s Counsel?   
    Because according to the US constitution, there is a bill of rights. Abridging things such as church attendance, or any peaceful assembly is specifically prohibited. Where, except in a politician’s feeble brain, is the government’s right to mandate me doing anything I don’t want to do in this phony emergency?
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    mrmarklin reacted to Just_A_Guy in How will you follow the Prophet’s Counsel?   
    What on earth do you mean?  Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.
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    mrmarklin reacted to The Folk Prophet in How will you follow the Prophet’s Counsel?   
    Frankly, what concerns me the most is the astounding, condescending holier-than-thou comments I'm seeing from so many people that really ought to know better and be better at showing love, compassion, understanding, and empathy to their fellow Saints. And with the latest message from the First Presidency they've now added a distinct air of over-the-top smug "I told you so"-ism to their condescending holier-than-thou-ness. I know, and fully understand, that I've been accused of holier-than-thou attitudes. At times these criticisms are legitimate. Sure. But I don't think I've ever called my fellow Saints murderers because they had reservations about some medicine or another. I don't think I've ever phrased things in terms of "I'm begging you with all the love and patience I have left to let go of your pride" or the like.
    I guess my own reservations about the vaccine and my own disdain for masking has helped me find some balance here. We ought to follow the prophet. We also ought to show more love and understanding for those who think differently than us. It seems that, one way or another, we're all failing. Even as I write this I realize that my love, compassion, understanding, and empathy for those calling me a murderer for not having been vaccinated sooner is sorely lacking.
    We all have a long way to go to reach Zion.
    (Most of the rhetoric I've seen on this forum hasn't been that extreme, but sometimes does tend to touch on some of the problems I believe are occurring. So kudos....and shame on us too. )
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    mrmarklin reacted to mikbone in How will you follow the Prophet’s Counsel?   
    I find it curious that we are treating COVID-19 like it is one of the ten plagues.  
    This will pass.  
    There are horrible atrocities occurring in the world on an ongoing basis that don’t even get any play time on prime time news.
    “there it is”
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    mrmarklin reacted to mikbone in Perhaps one of the greatest lessons in my life.   
    Depends, if you are saying they both perform excellent quality work.
    I would ask for references, call and speak with the prior customers.  See if there were unexpected delays or expenses.  
    I would then compare the quotes.  If they are similar I would go with the guy with the initials.
    Doubt your scenario ever happened.  The scenarios that I described happen all day every day…
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    mrmarklin reacted to mikbone in Perhaps one of the greatest lessons in my life.   
    Well unfortunately it is just not that easy.  
    The point that you emphasized with underline and bold is a judgment call.  How do you determine the point where no additional benefit is achieved?
    I'll give you an example.
    If you break a tibia the acceptable alignment (according to what will be considered malpractice) allows 5 degrees of angulation in the frontal plant, 10 degrees of anterior or posterior angulation in the lateral plane, 50% cortical apposition, < 1 cm of shortening, and < 10 deg of rotational malalignment.  
    If you are within those boundaries you will not get sued, and the patient will likely have a good result (especially if they are childern [who have awesome remodeling capabilities] or the elderly and people who are low demand - less active)  But if you are a healthy active adult any malalignment can be problematic.  Most people would prefer to have anatomic alignment of their bones.  And they do notice. 
    My goal is to put every fracture back into anatomic alignment.  Even if they are low demand.  If you train and practice meticulous skills on all your cases you will have better results with those cases when you need to be more accurate.
    And there are many ways to fix a tibia.  You can use a cast, plate and screws, an external fixator, or an intramedullary nail.  There are benefits and disadvantages to each technique.  
    If I broke my tibia I'd want it fixed with a nail by a surgeon with meticulous skills and expectations.  
    If it is done with poor skill, the surgeon will probably tell you to stay off of the extremity for 2 months to allow it to heal.  If it is done correctly the surgeon can allow you to start full weight-bearing as soon as the patient is comfortable.  
    It would be nice if everyone did their best.  Unfortunately in our society, people cut corners all the time.  And some people are just sloppy. 
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    mrmarklin reacted to mikbone in Perhaps one of the greatest lessons in my life.   
    That is one way to look at it.
    The other perspective distinguishes the average worker from true craftsmanship.
    Take embroidery for example. The easy way to tell if someone is an expert is to actually turn the piece of work over and look at the backside.  There are some artisans that can even perform double sided embroidery.
    I cant tell you how many times I have looked at x-rays from work of other surgeons and thought to myself.  
    What the (heck) were you thinking?
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    mrmarklin reacted to mikbone in Perhaps one of the greatest lessons in my life.   
    Sufficient and acceptable are pretty hazy terms.
    As an orthopedic surgeon I do work all the time that nobody but myself can appreciate.  For example I routinely replace the proximal femur in patient that break their hip with a metal prosthesis.  
    There is a huge difference between what is acceptable vs. my best.  The hardware vendors and scrub techs try to convince me all the time to put in hardware that makes the case easier and quicker.  
    I know that spending an extra 10 minutes to properly cement the prosthesis and perform a water tight layered closure will give the patient a better implant.  And even if the patient has dementia or is minimally active I always do my best.
    My x-rays look good.  And I appreciate that they look good, even if the patient and family cant even understand what I did.
    I could go on and on.
    And, for sure its not just you.  The majority of people are satisfied with sufficient or even sub-standard work.  I see it all day long…
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    mrmarklin reacted to laronius in Efficiency is good, but not at Church?   
    At some point the church stopped receiving tithing in kind. If that wasn't for efficiency's sake I don't know what it was. 
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    mrmarklin reacted to Carborendum in Critical Race Theory - Someone (liberal) please explain   
    John Birchers??? Those communists!!!
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    mrmarklin reacted to Just_A_Guy in Critical Race Theory - Someone (liberal) please explain   
    Indeed; redlining has been illegal since the late 1960s.  I can *sort of* see the argument that white middle class folks from better neighborhoods were able to leave their kids with a bigger inheritance which percolates down to the present day.  On the other hand, speaking anecdotally:  my parents inherited very little on their own parents’ deaths, and what they did inherit was after they were well-established in life.  The “inheritance” that really matters is cultural—a stable trauma-free childhood, two parents in the home who are both engaged in their children’s care and upbringing, and inculcation of values like respect for authority and delayed gratification and resilience and planning for the future.  
    I would acknowledge that there are still stereotypes and influences out there that mean that all other things being equal, a black person probably has to work somewhat harder to get ahead in life than a whole person does.  But don’t think that skin tone alone permanently hamstrings a black person’s ambitions in the way the critical race theorists want me to think that it does.  Rejection of traditional American cultural values that critical race theorists pooh-pooh as “whiteness”—the stuff in that infamous Smithsonian infographic, for example; like nuclear families and property rights and rational, linear thinking and independence and self-reliance and scientific method and politeness and ability to keep to a schedule and clarity in speaking and writing and judging people by their intent as well as the results of their actions (—rejection of those ideals will set you back; in any society, no matter what color your skin is.  
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    mrmarklin reacted to estradling75 in First Responders   
    In prepping and 2nd amendment circles there is a saying... "When seconds count... the police (or other first responders) are minutes away."
    I have every respect for our First Responders, but there is a lot to be said about the idea of being able to correctly resolve issues or at least keep them from getting worse until the pros can get there and do their thing.  But that would require many people to really know what they are doing
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    mrmarklin reacted to Vort in No more Priesthood/RS General Session   
    I'm sad that I have lost my chance to take my boys to a General Priesthood Meeting.
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    mrmarklin reacted to The Folk Prophet in Faith vs Knowledge   
    I thought I'd weigh in as the study of faith has been a pet pursuit of mine and I have what I like to think of as insight into it.
    First, "faith" is often conflated with "belief". But they're not the same thing. We are commanded to believe. That is its own principle. We are also commanded to have faith. That is a different principle. In point of fact, believing is an act of faith. But so is the following of all council and command. In fact having faith is an act of faith.
    The best word to describe faith that I've come up with is "commitment". So why not just say commitment? Well, because faith contains the idea that it is without a sure knowledge. It is a commitment to despite sure knowledge. I think that's  the best way I've come up with understanding it. We could also use terms like loyalty, belief in*, dedication to, etc., and they are all tied together.
    *"Belief" or "belief in" can be synonymous with faith if one understands that to mean something more than simply "believing they exist" but actually believing in as in trusting in, committed to the idea of, dedicated to the reality of, etc. So despite the fact that I started by saying faith is conflated with belief and they're not the same, I must confess that what I really mean is that I think most people tend to conflate the complexity of faith with the simplicity of "I believe that God exists", which isn't faith at all -- as clearly demonstrated by the fact that Satan himself believes God exists, and yet clearly has no faith in Him. But believing that God has power to save, loves us, has all power, all knowledge, will keep His word, etc., etc... well that's a more complex idea that ties in more directly with the idea of faith...but... one can believe in all those things and still abandon their commitment to God, and thereby show no faith.
    When I was a kid I would often look at Hebrews 11:1 thinking it was a definitional statement of faith. But I think it's pretty clear that it is not. It's simply saying that faith (commitment) is the substance of (reason for) things hoped for. Or in other words, we have hope because of faith. That's not defining faith.
    The same thing with "If ye have faith ye hope for things which are not seen, which are true". Not a definition. Just  a statement of logic and reality.
    Yes. (Depending on what you mean by "greater than"). More important in this life? Yes.
    That probably depends on the receiver and what impacts them more.
    Not if we know something. Why would it be improper to say we know something if we know something, and who are you to claim those saying they know something don't really know it?
    Yes. More so that witnessing something with our own eyes. Much more so.
    I think the third. Faith isn't knowledge or belief. It exists alongside those things. But I think it's a mistake to suggest that saying "I know X..." is inherently flawed. It's not. But the idea that one shouldn't say "I know" if they don't has some validity. If one means "I trust in and am committed to despite not knowing" then that might be the better thing to say. Maybe.
    Yes. Moreso.
    Considering color blindness, the way light works, and examples of "the blue dress or the white dress" etc., I'd say your suggestion that sight is the most reliable is quite flawed.
    Seeing God face to face has nothing to do with faith.
    I would directly you to the examples of Laman and Lemuel who experienced direct interactions with God and angels and still did not have faith.
    I would also direct you to a myriad of examples of people who've had countless spiritual experiences but then fall away and leave the church. Because they lacked faith.
    Testimony is not faith. A witness is the witnessing of. That is all. If one has had an experience, one can testify they've had it. That doesn't mean they trust it, believe it, don't deny it ever, don't turn their backs on it, etc., etc.
    Seeing God face to face doesn't ensure anything but further damnation for the wicked.
    I think "seen" here isn't meaning literally with the eyes. It strikes me it's more generic. When you know, you know. When you have faith your are committed to, despite not knowing fully. When you know fully, you probably (and this is my best reasoning on the matter) don't need "faith" any more because you then have commitment with full understanding, and I think faith (at least per these scriptures) is being defined as commitment without full understanding.
    That being said, as @estradling75 said, it (faith) doesn't seem to be 100% definitionally consistent in usage. And there is certainly an argument to be made that one maintains faith even when having full knowledge and understanding. But not in the way Alma used the term, it seems.
    But as to the question, does perfect knowledge come from sight?" Absolutely not. There is nothing more reliable than the pure light and knowledge from God given to us as spiritual revelation. Nothing more concrete. No communication more perfect. Without it, we are lost.
    This is valuable if it is true. But I'd contend that claiming one knows the color of a car from looking at it but doesn't know if the Book of Mormon is true despite spiritual confirmation that it is is a very flawed premise.
    Once again...who are you to say who "knows" what? Speak for yourself.
    The two are not mutually exclusive in my view. I know certain things because of revelation. I also have faith in things. I don't undermine the one by the other. They are both true. I testify of what I know. That's what testimony means. I experienced. I witnessed. I felt. Etc. I testify of those things. That's what bearing testimony is. Saying I believe something that I haven't experienced IS NOT A TESTIMONY. What kind of witness would that make?
    "Did you see the murder happen?"
    "No. But I believe that John did it."
    That's not a testimony.
    Why is that the biggest aspect?
    I believe, as I've explained, the biggest aspect of faith is commitment. The knowledge relationship to it ties in...but not, I think, what really what makes or breaks faith. Faith is a choice. If it wasn't a choice then it couldn't be a commandment. We would have no agency in the matter. We couldn't be held accountable for not having it.
    Because we're speaking of what we "know".
    (I do understand that there are some who say they know when they don't. But I think you're mistaken to assume that's the typical case.)
    This is an interesting thing worth thinking about. I'll think about it.
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    mrmarklin reacted to laronius in The slaying of Laban   
    The Nephite nation which was yet to be. They needed the brass plates he had. This is in contrast to the Mulekites who also came out of Jerusalem prior to the Babylonian captivity except they didn't bring any records with them. As a result when the two groups of people finally met up hundreds of years later the Mulekites had a corrupted language and religion. Fortunately, because the Nephites had the plates they were able to teach them both and they became one nation.
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    mrmarklin reacted to Backroads in But I don't want to go to the funeral.   
    Well, if anyone cares, we wound up going on vacation instead, after some pondering and discussion. I don't think we were missed, per say, and honestly it wasn't a huge every-random-family-member ordeal. A viewing and a graveside service. Siblings, kids, and friends showed up. It was small, and my mom said it was very nice. 
    As for my own little family, I really do think it was good we took the time away as planned.