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It is being reported if it's the virus that actually killed the person. The FDA would shut it down in a nanosecond. My husband works in the industry. Also we have close friends who are researchers. They have a list of friends who won't take the vaccine till they do. They offered to put me on their list. I declined. ☺️

That makes sense - you're using your imagination, instead of understanding how vaccines are developed and tested before being released into the general population.
FYI: The vaccine has already been tested on old people, both in good health and poor health.  Like, back in August.  They didn't die of being vaccinated.

Yeah... if the vaccine was so dangerous, God would have stopped the prophet from doing it and even urge others to do so.... I'll get the shot
 
 
 
 
 
 

What an odd thing to feel the urge to consider...

I for one appreciate him getting it and making a to-do of it. I have heard so many awful and blatant lies and intentional misinformation about vaccines, even members of the church considering them so spiritually evolved they condemn those who do vaccinate. I think it's good for the Prophet to stand up for truth even in something probably so worldly as a vaccine.

This was in Meridian magazine today. (Is it OK to repost here? There is an acknowlegement of where the article came from. )  I only read about half of it before I felt compelled to send it to my daughter with five kids. Is this where we're going as a nation? I'm so uncomfortable with this! Luckily my two youngest kids are 11th and 12th grade and moving on to conservative colleges. But I fear for the education my grandchildren will face. The oldest of eight of them (from three families so far, with hopefully many more to come) is in 5th grade.  Their mom is homeschooling this year since their district is closed, then open then closed about every three weeks. Looks like the rest coming up the ranks are going to face some "re-programming" if they attend public schools. This makes me sick!! (Katie Couric, I used to like you. )
I see the only alternatives to public school as being home school, private Christian school- depending on their curriculum or finding the rare charter school that is grounded in conservative values.  We sent our youngest to a charter school in Idaho that was fantastic but then we had to move. Is there any way to stop this?
 
https://latterdaysaintmag.com/ultra-woke-illinois-mandates-are-top-threat-to-u-s-education/?utm_source=iContact&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=scot-maurine-proctor&utm_content=Thursday+21+January
 
 

I have a family member that has come t the US legally (not immediate family member, extended family) who has not been able to become a citizen for over 5 years now.  It would strike me as particularly cruel in a turn of fate if those who come in illegally gain immediate citizenship vs. those who try to go the legal route.
On the otherhand, the US could have easier routes for those who wish to immigrate.  There are reasons to be fearful of many of those coming from the South of the Border.  They are coming from poverty and many are seeking a better life from it.  I imagine if there were others of us that had the choice between seeing our children and families starve to death or trying to save them from that hardship, we would choose to try to cross over borders and nations anyway we could find.  At the same time there is a vast amount of violence (in Honduras for example) which propagate a massive amount of suffering and death from the savage gangs and daily skirmishes they bring upon the citizens of the nations they reside in.  Many are fleeing this violence in order to find a better life in a society they see as more stable.
Unfortunately, many of them simply think they can travel and get a better life rather than changing their own families first.  This has caused the rise of many of those same gangs found in those nations which cause such violence to be established in the US.  In some of the cities in the Southwest and California there are areas where police now do not go as much and the threats are just as real as any of those nations South of the Border.  Those immigrants have brought the same gangs and violence with them.  Instead of changing, they simply brought it with them.  They have brought the problem to us and with every new immigrant of that same mindset, brings us closer to that same anarchy found in their nations which they say they are fleeing. 
I don't have the solution to this problem.  You want to be compassionate to those that truly want to immigrate to the US and want to be a benefit to our society, but at the same time if we do not screen the bad elements out, we eventually could become just like those nations filled with violence that they are trying to escape from.
Bringing this full circle..of course, with the route that many are following currently in the US both on the Far Right and the Far Left, it may be that we create our own violence among each other soon enough.  If we do not heed the wise counsel of our Prophets and Apostles (and honestly, almost all Americans are not members of the Church and not listen to the leaders of our church...but perhaps it would merely just take the members of our church to be an example first if nothing else) it could be that we devolve into such dissension that violence will continue rising among those who are divided in our nation.

Sad reality is, one reliable way to get a nation to fall, is to have lots of unassimilated undocumented immigrants.  We're watching it happen in France and other European nations.   You think the US multigenerational legacy of issues surrounding slavery and race are bad?  How about areas where you "just don't go" because people are implementing Sharia law, and enforcing it with roving bands of machete-wielding enforcers.   Google "beheadings in France", and make sure you scroll down enough to get a bunch of years of results.

FWIW, my main issue with Biden's plan (and most immigration legislation pre-Trump) is that they seem to reward illegal immigration (and I'm not talking about refugees or asylum seekers). What about those persons who want to migrate legally? The system is failing them and has been failing them for years, they are waiting patiently in their home countries for decades (which I think is absolutely ridiculous) and now laws will be passed to reward those who entered the country illegally. How fair is that? We are rewarding those breaking the law and punishing those who are being honest? And even though there are plans to reduce their waiting time, it will not be a priority. I don't know if there is a solution that can benefit/help all at the same time but this particular point bugs me.

Indeed...  For example I am personally willing to help other individuals.  But if one of those individuals has a history of threatening violence against people trying to help, well my religion and faith would excuse me from going over.  My responsibly to stay alive for my family trumps, rendering temporary aid to a stranger.
When we move this up to the macro scale and immigration it still holds.  We help those we can.  But those that are threats we do not, because it is not safe to do so.  We have an obligation to protect those already here... the only way to do that is  to vet those incoming.  And large numbers make the vetting more difficult .  To have this concerned be so toxicly twisted into pure selfishness and mocking and scorning of the poor an needy shows the fundamental dishonesty of the statement.  A variation of this dishonesty is to claim that we think ALL immigrants are criminals and dangerous.  We are not saying that they ALL are.  We are saying that the odds are that small subset of them are, and that subset needs to be dealt with for the protection of all.

A perfect example of why this country is polarizing.  One side demands that we treat every issue they think is important with utmost care and concern...  Yet when the other side presents something they are concerned about, the response to attack the character of the person expressing the concern and strawmaning their statements and belief.

I fail to see anything wrong with his metaphor. How is it damaging to congregations?

I fail to see anything wrong with his metaphor. How is it damaging to congregations?

"Stormed"? What, were they armed and wearing flak jackets?
Did Antifa goons "storm" into the streets last summer? Did second-generation hippie idiots "storm" into downtown Seattle?
So you're unapologetically calling anyone who protested in DC "the mob", rather than characterizing them as angry voters fed up with a corrupt system, with just a few malcontents among them causing all the trouble. Do you see any problem with this? Is this how things were characterized last spring and summer? (No, of course not.) Why the difference? Why do you justify it? Or am I somehow mistaken?
Not sure exactly what a "right wing Trump supporter" is, but I expect it's someone like me. Do you see any media generalization going on? If so, is that okay with you? (I have not read media news in probably three months or more, but based on what I know of the liars in the media, they are not being careful to separate "right wing Trump supporters", as they brand them, from fascist criminals committing felonies. I don't know if I'm right, but I would bet a significant sum of money that I am.)
Except, it seems, when it's the Democrats sabotaging the process by disrupting proceedings. Am I wrong? I hope so, actually. Did you find that treasonous?

Looks pretty awful, even condemnable. And I condemn it, even as I recognize that these people merely fulfill the negative stereotypes, not just of Trump supporters, but of Republicans and conservatives in general.
But what I want to know is: Where was the media outrage when mobs were roaming the streets in cities across the US, robbing and looting and committing arson and murder? Where are the media cries of "Mostly peaceful?" After all, most of the "mob" weren't killing police or vandalizing.
Please explain it to me, @Godless, in terms I can understand. Seriously. Because I see no possible way to explain it except that the media plays favorites very openly and unapologetically. They are leftists, like you. And they lie, hopefully unlike you. Do you condemn the media as readily and as openly as I condemn the apparent idiots and criminals in DC?
And if so, is it possible that the media is simply playing this up, perhaps even beyond what really happened, because there is hay to be made? Sounds like conspiracy theory, doesn't it? Except if you're conservative, you know that it's completely possible. The media invents things about conservatives all the time. They openly vilify conservative thought and conservative people, and have done so for at least 30 years, just in my own recollection.
I have a hard time imagining that the media could be well enough coordinated to conspire to misreport at least the general outlines of the DC goings-on. I am forced to accept that a bunch of lunatics and anti-American morons, fueled much more by hatred of what they loath than love of country or principle, committed criminal acts. But that in no way implies that I can believe a word of what the media reports about it.
As for "photographs don't lie", that's simply ridiculous. Photographs lie all the time. It's all about presentation and context. Surely you see that.

I just deleted Twitter for good. I never did like it. Also took Facebook off my phone so I'm not tempted to spend too much time there. I also put a moratoreum on myself for posting or commenting there. ( which is probably why I showed up here again. got to get this stuff off my mind! 😁) I only broke my rule once yesterday when I read a really good post by a conservative commentator from my old stomping grounds out west. I was reading the comments and one woman said this:
"I don't know if I should say amen or a-women so I'll just say well written!" 
I burst out laughing and had to " like " that.
Unfortunately, Facebook has also got the monopoly on groups for information like our ward RS info page,  a community info page and another local group against virtual school (which is STILL going on where I live. So-long fun senior year for my daughter!)

I also just deleted my Twitter account.  Likely I only used it several times in the past.  I am a weird individual that has no Facebook account and I likely never will.

I just deleted Twitter for good. I never did like it. Also took Facebook off my phone so I'm not tempted to spend too much time there. I also put a moratoreum on myself for posting or commenting there. ( which is probably why I showed up here again. got to get this stuff off my mind! 😁) I only broke my rule once yesterday when I read a really good post by a conservative commentator from my old stomping grounds out west. I was reading the comments and one woman said this:
"I don't know if I should say amen or a-women so I'll just say well written!" 
I burst out laughing and had to " like " that.
Unfortunately, Facebook has also got the monopoly on groups for information like our ward RS info page,  a community info page and another local group against virtual school (which is STILL going on where I live. So-long fun senior year for my daughter!)

It’s not my forte, tbh.  I’d imagine that something that direct (“There is John Doe.  Let’s go hang him on Layfayette Square right now!”) would be clearly illegal; and I think even nominally “open forums” are in their rights (if not affirmatively obligated) to ban obviously illegal content even before the law/courts get involved.  But when you have less-clear cases of incitement, or when you broaden your horizons and start saying that you’re going to monitor all content for “truth”—if you then approve untruthful content that causes harm, you may find yourself in a heap of trouble.
Ditto, if you are found to have clamped down on “violent rhetoric” by your opponents but to have permitted and even affirmatively featured similar rhetoric by your allies; and again—the current clampdown by the social media giants would be a lot easier to stomach if they had an undeniable record of consistency over the past year’s events.

I just deleted Twitter for good. I never did like it. Also took Facebook off my phone so I'm not tempted to spend too much time there. I also put a moratoreum on myself for posting or commenting there. ( which is probably why I showed up here again. got to get this stuff off my mind! 😁) I only broke my rule once yesterday when I read a really good post by a conservative commentator from my old stomping grounds out west. I was reading the comments and one woman said this:
"I don't know if I should say amen or a-women so I'll just say well written!" 
I burst out laughing and had to " like " that.
Unfortunately, Facebook has also got the monopoly on groups for information like our ward RS info page,  a community info page and another local group against virtual school (which is STILL going on where I live. So-long fun senior year for my daughter!)

1. There was no call to violence. The left want to blame Trump again... what is new. (sigh)
From the transcript of his speech:
2. Kathy Gifford
She retweeted it again in Nov. 2020

I listened very carefully to your supplied video of Trump and heard no call for any violence.  Would you provide that time into the video so I know what you are talking about.  BTW, I do recall a Hollywood type posting a picture of them with the severed head of Trump - I do not recall twitter or anyone else suggesting her accounts or freedom of speech be withheld.
 
The Traveler
 
 

I just deleted Twitter for good. I never did like it. Also took Facebook off my phone so I'm not tempted to spend too much time there. I also put a moratoreum on myself for posting or commenting there. ( which is probably why I showed up here again. got to get this stuff off my mind! 😁) I only broke my rule once yesterday when I read a really good post by a conservative commentator from my old stomping grounds out west. I was reading the comments and one woman said this:
"I don't know if I should say amen or a-women so I'll just say well written!" 
I burst out laughing and had to " like " that.
Unfortunately, Facebook has also got the monopoly on groups for information like our ward RS info page,  a community info page and another local group against virtual school (which is STILL going on where I live. So-long fun senior year for my daughter!)