Colirio
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While I would certainly not advocate for a state sponsored religion, a group that proposes a non-belief in God is not even in the top 20,000 religions I would want the state to promote.
The truth is, law has its basis in morality. Without a moral anchor to ground our decision making, there is nothing to keep our laws from being corrupted. We are left to whatever "seemed like a good idea at the time."
When our laws become corrupted, people suffer.
An acknowledgement of God's existence is no more a religion than atheism is a religion.
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Seeing as how the word of wisdom was intended for even the weakest of saints to be able to live this principle, I am often amazed at our tendencies to want to make it harder/more complex than it is. (I have also been guilty of this at times.)
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On 12/27/2016 at 0:47 PM, anatess2 said:
Assassin's Creed. Super Awesome!!! But my kids fell asleep. They thought it was boring. I don't know why. I thought it was the most amazing movie. I love the action scenes. I love Fassbender - as usual. I love the girl Assassin - can't remember her actor name. She's not a Hollywood actress - she's from some foreign film of some kind. I don't like Cotillard but she's ok in this movie. The story is quite thin - the apple of free will was kinda lame, but can't help it as it is the point of the video game.
Sorry, but I have to agree with your kids on this one!
I found the visuals of the movie movie to be very b-rated in appearance.
I found the action scenes to be extremely dull. The fight choreography reminded me of beginners in a martial arts class going through the motions.
As for story, I agree that it was VERY thin! This is also the weakest part of the game and the fans of the game have said this for years. Nobody plays the game (or wanted to watch the movie) because of the apple of eden storyline. The best part of the games is the parkour style exploration of older civilizations and combatives used at that time period.
This movie should have been an introduction to a simple storyline that touched on a war between assassins and templars. (Even most of the games don't go into much depth concerning the apple of eden.) Then, setting the movie in a more historical scenario, in which the life of the assassin was explored in greater depth, would have been far more reminiscent of playing the game.
Any sequels could have fleshed out an assassins's life in a different time period. (Like the game!)
Instead, I paid $8 to watch "Asleepin's Creed."
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22 hours ago, Vort said:
Here's a great example of someone attempting to fight the good fight on enemy grounds.
http://mormanity.blogspot.com/2016/12/the-church-in-changing-world-robert.html
(I will admit that I only scanned the link briefly.)
Vort, might I suggest that there is a difference between "fighting on enemy ground" and doing as Captain Moroni in attempting to fortify our defenses and strengthen our armor?
Now, I would personally say that the true way to fortify our defenses is to simply LIVE the gospel.
However, I guess I find it difficult to condemn those who enjoy placing the pieces of the puzzle in an effort to make sense of it. The gospel is true, after all, which is more than I can fully state about anything else from history, science, or even my own perceptions...
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I remember years ago having a full contact fight with a man much larger, heavier, and stronger than I was. He was my 4th fight of the night. It was his first of the night.
I was already exhausted. He cheated by sucker punching me when we went to touch gloves right before the bell rang.
Due to my exhaustion, I tried my best to stay on the defensive, trying to catch my breath. The problem was, he was full of energy and I was just plain worn out. He chased me all over and kept hitting me. Hard.
I eventually went on the offensive and learned a valuable lesson from that fight. When exhausted, it's easier to be on the offensive. It used less energy to simply keep punching and kicking than it did to keep bobbing, weaving, and absorbing his heavy hits. It also made it possible for me to dictate the pace of the fight by being on the offense.
He told me a few years later that he had been training hard since that fight to become as good a fighter as he thought I was. I had gained his respect. I suspect that he cheated initially because he was hoping to wear me down. I suspect he didn't think he could win otherwise.
I also suspect that many apologists feel worn down. They are tired of absorbing heavy hits and feel like it's easier to go on the offensive. I also suspect that many of our detractors don't feel like they can win except by cheating. I would suppose that our apologists hope to gain some respect from our detractors.
As for the Book of Mormon military strategy, it's obvious that the Nephites had strict commandments that as long as they were not guilty of the first offense, nor the second, they were to protect their families, even unto bloodshed. The Nephites were defeated by prideful rebellion, not because of poor military strategy. They left the fortifications of their faith and left themselves vulnerable to attack.
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That is exactly my point.
I have great hopes that Trump is going to be an effective corporate head and trim the "bloat and fat" as you put it.
Whether he does, or not, is quite another thing. But so far, he seems to be following such a procedure:
"Interviewing" for different positions, structuring certain people in positions where they would be most effective, setting policies and procedures that will help the company run leaner and more efficiently... He seems to be hitting the right notes.
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But, curiosity killed the cat!
Then again, Nephi's heart pondered on the things of God continually.
Colirio's actual thoughts?
"Ask and ye shall receive, seek and ye shall find, knock and it shall be opened unto you."
Every great revelation came in response to a righteous question.
It's a good thing the prophets didn't listen to the "pertinent to your salvation" crowd...
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This is was a quote that has helped me really cut through the political distractions and see the truth of what I feel the Lord expects of me.
"Our news media today also seem to be interested mainly in controversial subjects or someone who is being attacked; and regardless of the ninety-nine good things one may do, it is the one weakness or error that alone is emphasized and heralded to the world.
We are too prone to listen to, accept, and repeat such adverse criticism, such maliciously spoken or printed words, without stopping to realize the harm we may be doing to some noble person; and, as is done so often, we excuse and justify ourselves by saying, “Well, where there is so much smoke, there must be some fire,” whereas in reality we are adding to the smoke, when the fire referred to may be only the fire of malice started by some envious person.""This being election year, there will be much campaigning; we will hear and argue the pros and cons of many questions; we will have strong opposing views. Each must try to understand the questions and then stand firm by his convictions. But let us determine now that in the heat of the campaign we will not indulge in the vituperative talk of personalities that we so often hear. We must not rail against our brother and accuse him of lying and cheating or being dishonest or immoral.
Let us stand on principle--high principle. Also, it is most important that all of us, including our politicians, strive to live so that our actions will be above reproach and criticism."- “Judge Not, That Ye Be Not Judged”
N. Eldon Tanner
Address delivered Saturday morning, April 8, 1972
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My personal favorite was someone trying to cheer his friend:
"C'mon guy... it's not like Trump is going to move into the White House or something. Can you see Trump living in public housing being vacated by a black family? C'mon..."
Yes, it's horrible. It continues the absurdity of the election being racially biased.
But doggone it, I laughed!
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Anecdotal story time:
I had the opportunity several years ago to go to dinner with the temple president in Uruguay. (We were there working on the temple.) He told us of how his calling came about.
He said that he and his wife were shopping at Walmart when he received a call on his cell that asked if he was available to speak with President Hinckley. He very anxiously said yes.
President Hinckley then got on the phone asked if he would be willing to accept the call to be the temple president. When he replied yes, but that he needed to discuss it with his wife, President Hinckley asked, "Well, is she there? Go ahead, I'll wait."
After they accepted the call, then began weeks of the most grueling and lengthy vetting processes that the temple president said he would have imagined.
His wife, who was also present at dinner with us, said that had she known the process would have been so intrusive, she probably would not do it again. Every detail of their lives was discussed. She said that they were answering questions about purchases they had made for their home, the color of shoes her husband wore to Sacrament meeting, and especially all kinds of questions about bills that had been paid late over 20 years ago. (Apparently being in charge of temple funds comes with some SERIOUS questions about responsibility and etiquette...)
We found all of this to be completely fascinating and hung on every word. It caused me to look hard at my life to see how qualified I am to be called should it ever be the case.
I only share this story as such an experience obviously was significant in their lives. It was special enough to where their experience made an impact in my life and the lives of my coworkers. So, while experiences come and go in life, the interactions we have with those acting in service of the Lord can become life altering events for ourselves and others.
Just felt like I should share.
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To be short in writing:
1. The Spirit is never wrong and will never lead astray. Learning to decipher the Holy Ghost's promptings is the key to Eternal Life, but is going to be a lifelong process.
2. Most people are more interested in justifying what they want the truth to be rather than trying to discover what the Truth actually is. Therefore, see #1.
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While I am not going to sit here and talk about Trump's "virtues," I will say that he has a good chance of winning.
I certainly never intended to support him, but living in NC means my vote counts in a major way.
I am certainly not voting for Hillary the Criminal. I am not even considering Gary Johnson, especially in lieu I recent church statements. Evan McMullin's only sound bites seem to revolve around why Trump and Hillary shouldn't be president rather than what he intends to do.
That leaves me me with an unfortunate choice. I have prayed considerably about what to do and have received little direction so far.
As Vort once said so eloquently, I intend to probably hold my nose and vote for Trump.
Ugh.
It's like eating a dirt sandwich.
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While reading your post about standing alone, it made me think of President Monson's story about the drill instructor telling the Jews, Catholics, and Protestants to each go to their respective church for services.
He stood alone, knowing that it would have been just as easy to go with one of the others.
...turns out he wasn't alone after all...
https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2011/10/dare-to-stand-alone?lang=eng
"Instantly there flashed through my mind the thought, “Monson, you are not a Catholic; you are not a Jew; you are not a Protestant. You are a Mormon, so you just stand here!” I can assure you that I felt completely alone. Courageous and determined, yes—but alone.
And then I heard the sweetest words I ever heard that chief petty officer utter. He looked in my direction and asked, “And just what do you guys call yourselves?” Until that very moment I had not realized that anyone was standing beside me or behind me on the drill ground. Almost in unison, each of us replied, “Mormons!” It is difficult to describe the joy that filled my heart as I turned around and saw a handful of other sailors."
I suppose another quote from the same talk kind of answers any question in my mind about what the Christlike thing to do is:
"As we go about living from day to day, it is almost inevitable that our faith will be challenged. We may at times find ourselves surrounded by others and yet standing in the minority or even standing alone concerning what is acceptable and what is not. Do we have the moral courage to stand firm for our beliefs, even if by so doing we must stand alone?"
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Chapter 6:24. And thus he did prove the reasoning for being left downstairs during the fire.
25. And afterwards he did repent, after being smitten by the Familyites.
26. Yet, they were slow to forgive due to his foolishness.
27. Thus, he did come home bearing flowers.
Seriously, if one of the family had called the fire department, he might have had to repent with a hefty fine....
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I feel like we are talking in circles here...
@estradling75, great! Thanks for clarifying your views about baptism.
I'm not trying to address the "why's" of baptismal age. Simply whether it had been the same in past dispensations as it is today...
That was the entirety of my reason for posting in this thread and I've made my point as clearly as I can.
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@estradling75, I agree with a lot of what you said.
So, was there an established commandment of baptism during the Abrahamic dispensation?
If not, could you please explain verses 5 and 6?
If so, then are we able to tell from the record what the commandment concerning the baptismal age of children would be?
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5 hours ago, Carborendum said:
I read all the scriptures. But this ^^ is the problem. You're conflating these two ideas into one.
1) Yes the approximate age of 8 seems to be universal.
2) But the age set as the common practice or commandment to be baptized is not to be found except in this dipensation. Notice that your quote deals with circumcision, not baptism.
That's because they are one.
You agreed that baptism is essential for everyone, in all dispensations. (2 Nephi spells this out that it is a commandment, even hundreds of years before Christ.)
Are you trying to say that the Lord didn't want those who have arrived at the age of accountability to be baptized for the remission of sins in previous dispensations?
Responses to your numbers:
1. So, we agree that there existed an age of accountability. If a person is accountable, are you saying only this dispensation required baptism for those accountable?
2. Then you need to reread again what the scriptures say. Circumcision was performed at 8 days old specifically to show that the age of accountability for baptism was 8 years old. The Lord specifically says this covenant of circumcision pertains to baptism.
If I understand your logic, which I might be missing what you are trying to say, I guess the biggest question I have for you is:
Why? Why would the Lord give an age of accountability for those who were baptizing their children at too young an age unless He intended for them to be baptized at that age of accountability?
(Just as a side note, I have nothing but the utmost respect for you, Carb. I have reread your post about your volunteer service and the Sacrament you guys attended multiple times with tears in my eyes. Your efforts here on the forums, too, do not go unnoticed.)
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16 minutes ago, Carborendum said:
My point was that prior to this dispensation, there doesn't appear to be a set age where everyone got baptized. So, to the OP, it wouldn't have been at all peculiar for a man to be baptized at any age. I believe that commandment (setting the age of baptism for everyone born in the covenant) was only for this dispensation.
I agree with you about it not being peculiar for Jesus as an adult to be baptized by John the Baptist. In fact, it appears from the record that many of John's disciples were grown ups; much akin to the converts during the time of Joseph Smith at the beginning of this dispensation.
Where I disagreed, and continue to disagree, is the assertion that only this dispensation set the age of 8 as when a person reaches the years of accountability to be baptized.
As I see this as being important to the discussion, it seems clearly laid out in the record that the Abrahamic dispensation also set the age of baptismal accountability at 8 years old.
I will quote again and bold the pertinent parts:
Joseph Smith Translation of Genesis 17:4 And God talked with him, saying, My people have gone astray from my precepts, and have not kept mine ordinances, which I gave unto their fathers;
5 And they have not observed mine anointing, and the burial, or baptism wherewith I commanded them;
6 But have turned from the commandment, and taken unto themselves the washing of children, and the blood of sprinkling;
7 And have said that the blood of the righteous Abel was shed for sins; and have not known wherein they are accountable before me.
8 But as for thee, behold, I will make my covenant with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.
9 And this covenant I make, that thy children may be known among all nations. Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be called Abraham; for, a father of many nations have I made thee.
10 And I will make thee exceedingly fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come of thee, and of thy seed.
11 And I will establish a covenant of circumcision with thee, and it shall be my covenant between me and thee, and thy seed after thee, in their generations; that thou mayest know forever that children are not accountable before me until they are eight years old.
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13 minutes ago, Larry Cotrell said:
This is new to me as I haven't spent much time in the JST. So to clarify, the LDS belief is that baptism was practiced before Jesus' earthly appearance?
Larry, as estradling75 quoted the account of Adam's baptism, we believe that baptism is an essential ordinance to enter the Celestial Kingdom. It has been performed since the beginning.
Likewise, the Book of Mormon is full of references to baptism hundreds of years before the Savior's earthly ministry.
https://www.lds.org/scriptures/gs/baptism-baptize?lang=eng
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I guess I would ask, if accountability has been set at 8 years of age, what are they specifically accountable for?
Leading to the next question, I would ask if baptism is a necessary ordinance.
To recap:
So, baptism has been around since the time of Adam. We have a record of 8 years of age being the age of accountability since at least Abraham's time. Repeated during the time of the Nephites is that "young children" should not be baptized as they are not yet accountable. Baptism IS a necessary ordinance for salvation to those who have reached the age of accountability.
Perhaps it is just my tendency to simplify things, but it seems rather obvious that this has been consistent among God's people since the beginning.
EDIT: I went and reread the JST for Genesis 17. It is specifically referencing baptism in that chapter:
JST Genesis 17:4 And God talked with him, saying, My people have gone astray from my precepts, and have not kept mine ordinances, which I gave unto their fathers;
5 And they have not observed mine anointing, and the burial, or baptism wherewith I commanded them;
6 But have turned from the commandment, and taken unto themselves the washing of children, and the blood of sprinkling;
And then:
11 And I will establish a covenant of circumcision with thee, and it shall be my covenant between me and thee, and thy seed after thee, in their generations; that thou mayest know forever that children are not accountable before me until they are eight years old.
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10 hours ago, Carborendum said:
2) That article that Rhodes linked to did mention that the commandment to baptize at 8 only exists in the D&C. My suspicion is that this commandment is really only for our dispensation. There was no such commandment at the time of Christ.
Joseph Smith Translation of Genesis 17:
11 And I will establish a covenant of circumcision with thee, and it shall be my covenant between me and thee, and thy seed after thee, in their generations; that thou mayest know forever that children are not accountable before me until they are eight years old.
Moroni Chapter 8 also speaks to the baptism of children.
I tend to think that baptism at 8 years old has been the standard God established since the beginning. It seemed to be discussed and known in the two dispensations mentioned above. However, I also agree that at the time of Jesus the corruption had done away with these plain and precious parts of the gospel.
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Are we, as members of Christ's church with the gift of the Holy Ghost, not entitled to receive revelations just like the prophets and apostles?
Who was giving Moses meat? Who gives President Monson meat?
Are the channels of revelation from that same God from which they receive instruction not open in our lives?
If not, then I suggest we start drinking that milk with a little more repentance juice stirred in until the channels are fully open.
This is applies to me, too btw. I should probably start taking a repentance multivitamin.....
President Trumps Inagural Address
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It seems to me that, when taken with the rest of his speech, he is saying that politicians making promises and then not working to make good on those promises has become commonplace. This would be the equivalent to politicians removing the power from the people in that no matter who they vote for, it just didn't matter.
I believe this statement was President Trump telling us that he intends to work hard and not have just made idle promises.