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    askandanswer reacted to zil in Outer Darkness: Nothing vs. Oblivion   
    So do I.
    Exactly.
    At the end of the day, these are thought experiments.  When I do this with story ideas, I'll follow the story (in my mind) until the line has nowhere else to go.  If that makes a good ending, then I have a story.  If it doesn't make a good ending, I pick a spot to rewind to, make a change, and follow that until it ends.  If it weren't for the consequences of mortality, I suspect I'd do this almost exclusively.
    What we're doing here is not so different - very few facts, a theory, follow it to see where it leads.
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    askandanswer got a reaction from Vort in Service Dog question...   
    This is about what I'd expect from the guy who flooded the Houston Temple, then tried to blame the weather, and even boasted about it online !
     
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    askandanswer got a reaction from seashmore in Salt Lake bus routes   
    Back in the day when there was only one temple in Australia we used to do a long 12 hour bus ride through the night from our home city in Melbourne up to the temple in Sydney, arriving there shortly before 6:00 am, stay at the temple for about 6 hours, then take the bus back again, arriving back in Melbourne around midnight, and then be at church 9 hours later.
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    askandanswer reacted to NeuroTypical in Most senior cardinal yet to face trial   
    I have mixed opinions about the current Pope, but after unsuccessfully googling for details, I can get behind this:
     
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    askandanswer reacted to bytebear in Salt Lake bus routes   
    I've done LA to Logan, and hit as many temples as I could.  LA, Newport Beach, San Diego, Redlands, Las Vegas, St George, etc.
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    askandanswer got a reaction from mordorbund in My Bishop took my temple recommend away unfairly. How can I contest his decision?   
    This is how a native speaker might write it:
    It is very frustrating because I have lived in England for a long time now but I can't always express what I want to say in English. Where I live, it is hard to learn because a lot of people use slang and have accents. If there is no major mistake then I will pass the test and continue my study in England. Is it very obvious that I am not a native speaker?
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    askandanswer reacted to zil in Outer Darkness: Nothing vs. Oblivion   
    I sometimes wonder about scriptural statements that it would have been better if so-n-so hadn't been born - makes me wonder if those who never received a mortal body might actually have a better long-term outcome than those who receive resurrection without glory.  Of course, I think  "cessation of sentience" would be "better" than "eternity in misery" (assuming one believes oneself to be miserable).
    If "intelligence" is "light and truth" and outer darkness is the utter absence of light and truth, it makes me wonder if any intelligence can survive for long in outer darkness, or if they won't starve to death.  Of course, it's possible that's a different kind of "intelligence" than that which is part of us.  Also of course, this is in direct conflict with the idea that those who are resurrected are immortal, and with the idea that our core self has always existed.  But I'm not sure we have a solid, accurate handle on those ideas.  What if immortality is accomplished by choosing to do those things which make one immortal?  What if our core self did not always have sentience?  (Can't imagine how the latter would work, but my inability to imagine isn't much of an argument for truth.)
    As above, this is what I've heard people wondering about - can sentience be destroyed?  I've heard others express that they don't think our individual self (sentience?) existed, but that "intelligence" is a natural resource and the individual didn't exist as a sentient being until God did [something - usually merge intelligence and spirit].  If that's the case, it seems easy to argue that deconstruction and loss of sentience is possible.
    In the "intelligences are sentient" proposal, both the idea that there's a finite number of such beings, and the idea that there's an infinite number of such beings presents "problems" for the mortal mind.  The idea that "intelligence(s?) is not sentient" presents problems for the "always existed" (which tends to assume individuality) idea.
    In short, we have no idea what we're talking about, and we're trying to create a coherent story without having sufficient knowledge to make sense of it.  (Still interesting thought experiments, though.)
    I think eternity past wherein we existed as sentient individuals is possibly the most difficult thing for the mortal mind to comprehend.  (It also seems most consistent with revealed truth as I understand it.)
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    askandanswer reacted to The Folk Prophet in Outer Darkness: Nothing vs. Oblivion   
    So are we not taking God at His word that those souls who become sons of perdition who lived in mortality, and thereby are resurrected, will die no more; their spirits uniting with their bodies, never to be divided; thus the whole becoming spiritual and immortal, that they can no more see corruption?
    Or are we applying this black-hole-dom and potential regeneration of intelligences to only Satan and his followers?
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    askandanswer reacted to Sunday21 in Church Abominations   
    @fatima God considers the altering of his teachings to be an abomination NOT the people who attend other churchs. 
    Here is a partial list of lost truths restored in the Book Of Mormon
    https://www.lds.org/ensign/2006/10/plain-and-precious-truths-restored?lang=eng
    There is a lot of Doctrine in the Book of Mormon. I would look over this table of contents and read the chapters of most interest to you.
    https://www.lds.org/manual/teachings-and-doctrine-of-the-book-of-mormon-teacher-manual?lang=eng
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    askandanswer reacted to Grunt in Alfie is dead   
    Yeah.  Some lives just aren't worth the money.
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    askandanswer got a reaction from zil in Salt Lake bus routes   
    Thanks  @zil I've emailed this to my friend a moment ago. I appreciate the time you'ev put into this. 
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    askandanswer got a reaction from NeedleinA in Missionary Numbers - stats, ugh.   
    So the options are:
    a) Help the Priests get these problems solved now, before they go on a mission
    b) Help them get these problems solved later, in which case it might be too late for a mission
    c) They end up unresolved, in which case those Priests might end up leaving the church. 
    a) Seems to be the best option. It sounds like some lessons on the blessing of repentance, the fruits of repentance, the power of the Atonement, and the depth of our Saviour's love for us might be helpful. I wish more people could be helped to see that repentance is something to be desired and thankful for and not something to be feared an avoided. 
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    askandanswer got a reaction from Sunday21 in For lds people in low density mormonville   
    Those old steam trains can get mighty smokey at times. 
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    askandanswer reacted to Just_A_Guy in Alfie is dead   
    Not to go all Godwin on you, but that’s like saying you can’t blame totalitarianism for the Holocaust.  
    This happened because someone who had the will to kill a child also had the legal authority to kill a child; and the citizen-parents had neither the authority nor the power to stop it.
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    askandanswer got a reaction from zil in Repentance after death   
    Your comments reinforce the idea that the limits to the atonement are not its power to save, but more to do with people's willingness to use/apply it. Its power is infinite, people's willingness to accept it is finite.
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    askandanswer got a reaction from zil in Repentance after death   
    Thank you both, they are insighful and thought provoking posts.
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    askandanswer got a reaction from zil in For lds people in low density mormonville   
    Those old steam trains can get mighty smokey at times. 
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    askandanswer reacted to The Folk Prophet in Repentance after death   
    I believe we have some perfect examples in the scriptures. One that comes to mind is the brass snake on a staff that the Israelites only had to look upon to be healed. It would heal ANYONE. It's power to heal was infinite. But the condition was to look. Those who chose not to look CHOSE not to look.
    It's like saying, "Here's water. It's power to quench thirst is complete." And then some dying-of-thirst moron says, "No thanks. I'm thirsty, but I don't like water." And then when they die someone tries to claim that water doesn't have the power to quench thirst after all because if it truly had the power to do that, it would have done so without the person drinking it.
    Really?
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    askandanswer reacted to estradling75 in Repentance after death   
    That is the definition of Son of Perdition... Someone when fully understanding of what Christ offers and can do... And then chooses to Refuses it all.   Its not that Christ can't save them... its that they do not want to be saved 
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    askandanswer got a reaction from The Folk Prophet in Repentance after death   
    Your comments reinforce the idea that the limits to the atonement are not its power to save, but more to do with people's willingness to use/apply it. Its power is infinite, people's willingness to accept it is finite.
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    askandanswer got a reaction from Sunday21 in Salt Lake bus routes   
    I seem to remember reading somewhere on here a few years ago, in the context of a new temple being announced for the Salt Lake valley, that there would now be a bus route that would take you past 4 or 5 temples. I've looked for the post but haven't been able to find it. Does anyone know if there is such a bus route and what are its details? I'm asking on behalf of a good friend who will be in Utah in about 10 days.
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    askandanswer reacted to wenglund in Repentance after death   
    Let's test your analogy a bit, shall we?  
    Let us suppose that the prison consisted of a vast mountain range with plenty of game for hunting, lakes stocked with plenty of fish, cells that were more like comfortable cabins  on lakes and streams, with refrigerators constantly stocked with your favorite food and beverages, big screen TV's with your most beloved sports and entertainment, and ample leisure time to spend doing all the recreational things you want. It is just that you are confined to the mountain range.
    Then consider that freedom represents responsibility (something easily forgotten these days), that consists of Home Teaching each other and those in prison 24/7?
    You really think there wouldn't be quite a few people who would prefer prison over freedom, and self-select to go there?
    Thanks, -Wade Englund-
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    askandanswer reacted to zil in Repentance after death   
    Despite what TV and movies would have us believe, I think the telestial and terrestrial have a very different definition of "the best for themselves" than, a celestial being.  Such a person would know that what he wants is not to be found in the celestial kingdom (and he can't use his old, mortal methods for extracting what he wants from them).  Personally, I think this was part of Satan's game - he knew full well that the Father's plan wouldn't yield what he (Satan) wanted, so he tried changing the plan.
    The consequences of sin last for eternity (without a redeemer), and therefore are infinite.  Because of Christ's Atonement, he has the power to redeem all who accept him (infinite number, if needed) and the effects of his redemption are eternal.  Further, He is infinite and eternal, thus, the sacrifice was infinite and eternal.  That He will not turn a tree into a dog or a dog into a human does not mean He lacks capacity - it means that a tree is a tree and a dog is a dog - eternally.  I suppose you could say Christ's power to redeem is limited by his respect for our agency, in that he cannot force a telestial being to become terrestrial, but that seems to be the only limit from my perspective.
    There are places I don't like to be.  There are other places I would not want to be under certain circumstances.  And there are yet other places where I do like to be (sometimes under certain circumstances).  This isn't because someone else has wired my brain like or dislike a place.  It's simply a natural consequence of every decision I've ever made for all eternity.
    It isn't hard to imagine that someone whose thoughts and deeds are filthy (not necessarily by mortal standards, but by celestial standards) would not want to be around people who knew at a glance his every thought and deed and found them filthy.  On the other hand, he might well want to be around people who didn't think them filthy at all.
    There are many activities which, if I had to do them (at all, frequently, more frequently), I would think myself in hell - just imagining the tedium, drudgery, difficulty, or whatever of them would make me cringe.  And, there are other things that I think I would enjoy doing for a very long time (these generally will not earn you a living).  I see no reason why this concept would not hold true for beings of different glories.  The celestial could not be satisfied doing telestial stuff.  The telestial would think the celestial stuff is too difficult or whatever.
    I believe that progress will be stopped by everything that can stop it.  As I've suggested above, the natures we have refined for all eternity will define whether we're a "good enough" sort of person, or a "never stop" sort of person.  We also know that all will say God's ways are just - we will agree to our fates.  I tend to think that part of that is not just begrudging acceptance of unwanted limitation, but coming to understand and agree that our assigned kingdom is indeed where we wish to spend the remainder of our existence.  We learn there are laws to each kingdom and that the inhabitants of them will be people who have chosen to live the corresponding law - thus the law will define the bounds or limits of those in a given kingdom.  And there are places which suggest that our resurrected bodies will be different between glories, and I suspect all but the exalted with have limited capacity because of the type of body they have.  In other words, I think the resurrection will set each person's limits into figurative stone, never to change, for all eternity.
    I know a lot of people struggle with the whole "the rest of eternity is a really long time; it seems so unfair" business, but you must remember we've already experienced eternity.  Our mortal selves don't remember it, but we will.  The idea that half of eternity isn't long enough to figure out what we want from the rest of eternity seems very mortal and irrational.  Exactly how much more time do you need to make up your mind.  Personally, I think this won't be a problem for anyone because we've all been spending eternity choosing to stay within / reach toward our respective limits - the resurrection will just be the point at which we say, "Yeah, I'm not changing".  To quote Zane Grey, "Habit of years is strong as life itself."  And we've got an eternity of years cementing our habits.
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    askandanswer got a reaction from lostinwater in Korean war is over!   
    My thoughts are that the appearances of a peace making process are starting to appear because North Korea has gone as far as it can with its nuclear program. They probably haven't quite finished all the testing they wanted to do because of the collapse of their main testing site, but they got so close to their ultimate objective that it doesn't really matter that they didn't quite manage to finish it. They've got their weapons, so now they're ready to talk. It seems to be an unwise negotiating strategy to show up at the negotiations without any kind of leverage. 
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    askandanswer reacted to anatess2 in Korean war is over!   
    It's easy to spot a Pole... he's the guy who wanted a discount on the TV.  He goes to the salesperson and asks for a discount... the salesperson replied, no, because you're Polish.  The guy goes out, puts on a red haired wig and red beard, comes back to the store faking an Irish accent and asks for a discount.  The salesperson replied, no, because you're Polish.  The guy was perplexed... so he asked, how do you know I'm Polish?  The salesperson replied... because you think this microwave oven is a TV.  hardi har har... See what Asians can get away with?