Bill (Papa) Lee

GirlNextDoor
It is your responsibility to conduct and dress yourself in a manner befitting entering into God's house. How you made get effect others is secondary. It is true that modesty is the means by which the Lord has given you to show that respect, and to not draw attention away from the business of worship. It's one Sunday a week, we should all be asking ourselves is that too much for the Lord to ask of us, one day and n seven? 
I did not grew in the LDS Church, but one Sunday, my brother was driving me to Church, soI changed into Jeans. My Nanny (my Grandmother) stop me and asked where I was going. Before I began to answer, she asked, "are you going to Theron's house?" I replied "no", she then asked if I "were going to Mark's house"; I said no. I told her I was going to the "Lord's House", she said, "I thought so", and she made me dress for Church. She has been gone for 45 years now, but every Sunday, I dress as if she was watching. Such was the lesson she taught me. And I act as a watchful eye for my grandchildren should they to decide to go off plantation.  

Just fear and confusion, both very common human emotions that cause people to say and do things they defy description at times. I served in the Army between 1976-84, on medivac helicopters. We did both military and civilian support to meet the needs of others, on or during some of the worst points in their lives, up until that day. There were happy times when we would fly to small towns and pick up premature birth babies and fly them to better hospitals. But even then when the mother could not fly with her baby, let's just say those could be interesting moments. Otherwise our missions were carried out in some of the horrid, of circumstances, where people were either at their worst, or their best. Either way, one this day when the interview happened, I will give her a pass. I then went on to a 23 year career in Law Enforcement, for a total of 31 years seeing so many at their worst and best. Sadly, most of the time at their worst, making it very hard at times to see the good.  I am just glad they got out.  

GirlNextDoor
It is your responsibility to conduct and dress yourself in a manner befitting entering into God's house. How you made get effect others is secondary. It is true that modesty is the means by which the Lord has given you to show that respect, and to not draw attention away from the business of worship. It's one Sunday a week, we should all be asking ourselves is that too much for the Lord to ask of us, one day and n seven? 
I did not grew in the LDS Church, but one Sunday, my brother was driving me to Church, soI changed into Jeans. My Nanny (my Grandmother) stop me and asked where I was going. Before I began to answer, she asked, "are you going to Theron's house?" I replied "no", she then asked if I "were going to Mark's house"; I said no. I told her I was going to the "Lord's House", she said, "I thought so", and she made me dress for Church. She has been gone for 45 years now, but every Sunday, I dress as if she was watching. Such was the lesson she taught me. And I act as a watchful eye for my grandchildren should they to decide to go off plantation.  

GirlNextDoor
It is your responsibility to conduct and dress yourself in a manner befitting entering into God's house. How you made get effect others is secondary. It is true that modesty is the means by which the Lord has given you to show that respect, and to not draw attention away from the business of worship. It's one Sunday a week, we should all be asking ourselves is that too much for the Lord to ask of us, one day and n seven? 
I did not grew in the LDS Church, but one Sunday, my brother was driving me to Church, soI changed into Jeans. My Nanny (my Grandmother) stop me and asked where I was going. Before I began to answer, she asked, "are you going to Theron's house?" I replied "no", she then asked if I "were going to Mark's house"; I said no. I told her I was going to the "Lord's House", she said, "I thought so", and she made me dress for Church. She has been gone for 45 years now, but every Sunday, I dress as if she was watching. Such was the lesson she taught me. And I act as a watchful eye for my grandchildren should they to decide to go off plantation.  

GirlNextDoor
It is your responsibility to conduct and dress yourself in a manner befitting entering into God's house. How you made get effect others is secondary. It is true that modesty is the means by which the Lord has given you to show that respect, and to not draw attention away from the business of worship. It's one Sunday a week, we should all be asking ourselves is that too much for the Lord to ask of us, one day and n seven? 
I did not grew in the LDS Church, but one Sunday, my brother was driving me to Church, soI changed into Jeans. My Nanny (my Grandmother) stop me and asked where I was going. Before I began to answer, she asked, "are you going to Theron's house?" I replied "no", she then asked if I "were going to Mark's house"; I said no. I told her I was going to the "Lord's House", she said, "I thought so", and she made me dress for Church. She has been gone for 45 years now, but every Sunday, I dress as if she was watching. Such was the lesson she taught me. And I act as a watchful eye for my grandchildren should they to decide to go off plantation.  

GirlNextDoor
It is your responsibility to conduct and dress yourself in a manner befitting entering into God's house. How you made get effect others is secondary. It is true that modesty is the means by which the Lord has given you to show that respect, and to not draw attention away from the business of worship. It's one Sunday a week, we should all be asking ourselves is that too much for the Lord to ask of us, one day and n seven? 
I did not grew in the LDS Church, but one Sunday, my brother was driving me to Church, soI changed into Jeans. My Nanny (my Grandmother) stop me and asked where I was going. Before I began to answer, she asked, "are you going to Theron's house?" I replied "no", she then asked if I "were going to Mark's house"; I said no. I told her I was going to the "Lord's House", she said, "I thought so", and she made me dress for Church. She has been gone for 45 years now, but every Sunday, I dress as if she was watching. Such was the lesson she taught me. And I act as a watchful eye for my grandchildren should they to decide to go off plantation.  

GirlNextDoor
It is your responsibility to conduct and dress yourself in a manner befitting entering into God's house. How you made get effect others is secondary. It is true that modesty is the means by which the Lord has given you to show that respect, and to not draw attention away from the business of worship. It's one Sunday a week, we should all be asking ourselves is that too much for the Lord to ask of us, one day and n seven? 
I did not grew in the LDS Church, but one Sunday, my brother was driving me to Church, soI changed into Jeans. My Nanny (my Grandmother) stop me and asked where I was going. Before I began to answer, she asked, "are you going to Theron's house?" I replied "no", she then asked if I "were going to Mark's house"; I said no. I told her I was going to the "Lord's House", she said, "I thought so", and she made me dress for Church. She has been gone for 45 years now, but every Sunday, I dress as if she was watching. Such was the lesson she taught me. And I act as a watchful eye for my grandchildren should they to decide to go off plantation.  

It is not an issue of "Law". In States where drugs have been (or the use of) legalized, one must give this up in their baptismal interview to move forward. Also someone seeking to baptized who grows it, or sells it, the same would apply. It would certainly be a difficult tightrope to walk, to ask someone to divorce, if the behavior were to continue. Throughout the history of the Church, and I mean it's entire history, in any land and any age sacrifices have to be made to receive the blessings of the Gospel. We are all aware of the great example and prayer of King Lamoni, who prayed "...that he would give away all his sins to know him (God)". So it is today, we must all must be willing to give away our sins to know Him. This includes even things that we never considered sin before hearing the fullness of the Gospel. 
Also with that "long history" of the Church there have always been difficult choices, filled with emotion that pulls at the heartstrings of so many. But as we learn we grow in greater knowledge, and with that our understanding of what is "right" in the eyes of the Lord. I once went with the missionaries and taught a woman who took the lessons, attended a year a half of my Gospel Essentials class and was truly converted. She had been living with a man for 20+ years, and had two children by him. It was a strong family, a loving family, but no marriage. Both had been married before and just could not trust enough to commit. She wanted to be baptized, but her husband (and his was by "common law" and a good father) but he would not marry her. So in the end, it came down to joining the Church or breaking up a family. It was heart wrenching, and slowly other things she had given up, Word of Wisdom issues she returned too. Since she was not going to leave him, she felt like; what was the point?
This was decades ago, I pray that she and her family were finally baptized. The Apostle Paul, once wrote that, "in this life we see through a glass darkly". Maybe someday, we will all see all things clearly. When that day comes with perfect vision we will move forward, more quickly, without stumbling all over ourselves. Until that day comes we must move forward in faith, and "give away all our sins to know him". At least this is what my faith tells me.
 

It is not an issue of "Law". In States where drugs have been (or the use of) legalized, one must give this up in their baptismal interview to move forward. Also someone seeking to baptized who grows it, or sells it, the same would apply. It would certainly be a difficult tightrope to walk, to ask someone to divorce, if the behavior were to continue. Throughout the history of the Church, and I mean it's entire history, in any land and any age sacrifices have to be made to receive the blessings of the Gospel. We are all aware of the great example and prayer of King Lamoni, who prayed "...that he would give away all his sins to know him (God)". So it is today, we must all must be willing to give away our sins to know Him. This includes even things that we never considered sin before hearing the fullness of the Gospel. 
Also with that "long history" of the Church there have always been difficult choices, filled with emotion that pulls at the heartstrings of so many. But as we learn we grow in greater knowledge, and with that our understanding of what is "right" in the eyes of the Lord. I once went with the missionaries and taught a woman who took the lessons, attended a year a half of my Gospel Essentials class and was truly converted. She had been living with a man for 20+ years, and had two children by him. It was a strong family, a loving family, but no marriage. Both had been married before and just could not trust enough to commit. She wanted to be baptized, but her husband (and his was by "common law" and a good father) but he would not marry her. So in the end, it came down to joining the Church or breaking up a family. It was heart wrenching, and slowly other things she had given up, Word of Wisdom issues she returned too. Since she was not going to leave him, she felt like; what was the point?
This was decades ago, I pray that she and her family were finally baptized. The Apostle Paul, once wrote that, "in this life we see through a glass darkly". Maybe someday, we will all see all things clearly. When that day comes with perfect vision we will move forward, more quickly, without stumbling all over ourselves. Until that day comes we must move forward in faith, and "give away all our sins to know him". At least this is what my faith tells me.
 

This has *nothing* to do with honoring and sustaining the law.  Adultery and fornication are legal, too.

I have known a couple, and finding out cost them my friendship. I doubt they saw that as a great loss, but I felt the loss of men I once called friends. I pray they have repented, I truly do. 

Has anyone ever seen one, or met one?  I just learned about their existence today from BYU Professor Dan Peterson:
Beyond repulsive. FAR beyond.
Yeah, no.  I think if I ever were to meet one, I might not be civil.  I might be downright uncharitable.

Priesthood instructor, High Priest Group. 

Looking at the sermon on the mount today. I thought of the parable of the wise man who built his house upon the rock as related to not being deceived. Looked that up and it follows the sermon on the mount with the words, "whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them..." So I thought I'd bullet point those things we are to hear and do. (Though I do believe it means ALL of Jesus' words...but...)....
I'll start with Matt 7 today since that's where the house upon the rock parable is.
Judge not unrighteously.  Cast not pearls before swine. Ask. Seek. Follow the golden rule. Enter the strait gate. Beware false prophets (wolves in sheep's clothing). Know them by their fruits. Do the will of the Father.

With a little tweaking, you could introduce yourself in the poetry section.
 

Bill (Papa) Lee, yet again, here to speak, read and teach. I have a powerful testimony of our Faith, it was hard fought and hard won...so it is mine. At the ending of D&C 1, it closes, it states, "what I the Lord have spoken, I have spoken. And I will not excuse myself". "Though the heavens and the earth shall pass away, my WORD will not pass away". 
 
Amen! 

Bill (Papa) Lee, yet again, here to speak, read and teach. I have a powerful testimony of our Faith, it was hard fought and hard won...so it is mine. At the ending of D&C 1, it closes, it states, "what I the Lord have spoken, I have spoken. And I will not excuse myself". "Though the heavens and the earth shall pass away, my WORD will not pass away". 
 
Amen! 

Bill (Papa) Lee, yet again, here to speak, read and teach. I have a powerful testimony of our Faith, it was hard fought and hard won...so it is mine. At the ending of D&C 1, it closes, it states, "what I the Lord have spoken, I have spoken. And I will not excuse myself". "Though the heavens and the earth shall pass away, my WORD will not pass away". 
 
Amen! 

The examples you used probably are just part of the narrative. I am sure plenty of warnings were given as to "who could, and could not", touch the Ark. As far as Judas, we have more of the picture. I am sure Judas wanted believe that he was doing it for Christ's own sake. But Jesus knew what Judas was going to do, and called a betrayal while at the "Last Supper" and then again when Judas betrayed Jesus with as kiss, as he said, "betrayest thou me with a kiss"? (hope I quoted it correctly) These two examples of both men showed a complete lack of faith, both assuming that God needed their help. 
It is important to note, that even Satan used that same lie, or excuse for enticing Adam and Eve to transgress. But, when he attempted to excuse his actions to the Father, he was cursed even more than before. His Father knew his heart, God always knows all our hearts.

One of the interesting outcomes of my recent trip – included a discussion about individuals that want to bring about G-d’s prophetic and desired outcomes by our own means.  The discussion was initially about the “Red Heifer” sacrifice but for the internet (this forum) I will use the example of Judas Iscariot.  The concept with the Judas example is centered in the possibility that Judas wanted to bring about the prophetic confrontation between good and evil but the slant of the discussion is that Judas intended to bring about G-d purposes (good) but on his (Judas’) terms.  We may not ever know Judas’ motives in this life but many think some things may be okay if the motives or desires of our hearts are for good. 
The comment made by Jesus was that it would have been better that Judas was never born.  However, this mistake or regret is not what I intend to highlight – just the notion that Judas’ efforts were counterproductive and a transgression of the law – even though what he did would force the law and the prophesy to come about – meaning the prophetic purposes of G-d - which included a betrayal.   I am using the notion of transgression of the law for a specific reason – something I learned from my pre-mentioned discussion.  The point here is that there was a serious flaw with Judas and his interpretations of scripture.  Another scripture example may be the individual that intended to steady (keep the Ark of the Covenant from tipping over) the Ark of the Covenant.
The principle is not to bring about the purposes of G-d or even what we think to be "righ" but to trust, believe and have faith in G-d.  That he will accomplish his purposes – his way and on his terms – which are true and correct principles (for example - the oath and covenant of the priesthood).   It is not enough to be right.  It is necessary that we, through our actions, act such that we have faith in G-d and those he has called (as flawed as they are) and not ourselves.
 
The Traveler
 

StaR Wars
 

Seconded.

I served in the military for 8 years, and law enforcement for 23 years after leaving the military. The issues surrounding respect for those in uniform were around long before my time. However, what is new is the targeting of law enforcement for assignation, they has evolved in large cities. I served in one of our largest cities, but I never felt my life in danger as it is today. I mean, sure there is always a danger when serving warrants, traffic stops, domestic violence (the worst) but never crimes being staged in an effort to lure Police to their deaths. I have been retired nearly a decade, but still carry almost everywhere I go. Even though I have a conceal carry permit, I seldom conceal my weapon in hopes of keeping others from making trouble. I don't carry a weapon to protect myself, but my family and others. Right now in the Atlanta Metro area, there is a murder a day. A sad number of these are innocent bystanders. We should pray for our Police, and our leaders that they might live peaceable lives. 

I was thinking more along those who choose freely to travel the more beaten path, or the road (or path) less traveled, which makes all the difference. (To quote the poet). Also from the song from"Saturday Night's Warrior)..."when you choose the very first step on the road, you also choose the last". As parents, or in my case grandparent, even I, with my limited vision can know what can happen (or will) if my children or grandchildren choose freely to go down a destructive path, what will lie ahead. So certainly God our Father, with his unobstructed view knows what lies ahead. However he allows us to choose the path, but always provides "off ramps" (if you will) that can lead us back to the "straight and narrow", where His promises are found, but even on the "path that leads to Him" all will still have difficulties. 

The only thing that cant be cyanged is the past. The actions of the present shape the future. The decisions we make in the present are not nor cannot be foreknown with perfect accuracy. The future is thus fluid as to what direction it can go.