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    Traveler got a reaction from Backroads in Primal Instincts of Life (as we understand it)   
    The problem with cloning is the problem of replication error.   Scientifically we know this exist in the natural reproduction of species which is considered part of evolution.  The replication error that are a disadvantage to the primal instinctive advantage of an individual in the gene pool - nature will eliminate that mutation or that mutation will eventually eliminate that species.  It would seem that any disadvantage to any of the primal instincts will eliminate the individualerl or species.
     
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    Traveler got a reaction from mirkwood in A Real Insurrection Now in Arizona   
    Thanks for your response.  From my military experience I think I understand a little better.  Perhaps my most important lesson from the military was that often the individual in charge can make the wrong decision (according to guide lines and intelligence).  But the lesson is that when command makes a wrong (improper) decision it is always best to carry out the orders as given in the midst of a crisis.  Any attempt to discuss or debate the issue will most likely turn out to be worse than the faulty commands.  
    However, I am also aware (from military experience) that there are rules of engagement and training.  I understand such things so that those involved can act in unison with minimal communications.  From my military experience the rules of engagement is most often made by someone removed from the theater of action - something I often thought was not the best way to conduct operations when many lives are at stake.  Training - I believe to be more critical.  Acting outside of training I personally believe to be a big mistake.  Thus my questions - which would best be answered by what is the training - especially for those in command.
    If your guide lines in doing your job is to minimize information so not to give advantage to opposition in a crisis - I understand and support that.
     
    The Traveler
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    Traveler reacted to Just_A_Guy in It appears Roe Vs. Wade is about to be overturned.   
    I think the point Carbs is making is that, unlike pro-lifers, we don’t take an absolute position that life begins at conception or that *all* abortion is tantamount to killing.  We feel it’s “close enough” that we generally support restriction/prohibition of elective abortion, but we don’t camp out at abortion clinics shrieking “murderer!” And dumping blood on people.
    The subset of LDS who openly advocate elective abortion, I think, aren’t necessarily missing any deep theology that specifically addresses precisely when life begins.  What they are missing, I think, is a broader understanding of chastity and the meaning of life and how to find personal fulfillment.  The pro-elective-abortion movement, at its core, assumes that a) consequence-free indulgence of human appetites are so essential to the human condition that at least some of them—especially sex—ought to be regarded as a human right; and b) that the denial of this “right” fundamentally makes life not worth living.  
    There’s a whole constellation of social issues and life problems that ultimately arise from the interplay of these two assumptions—abortion, LGBTQ issues, sexual violence, divorce, fatherlessness (and, via fatherlessness, crime and poverty generally), the “crisis of connection”, mental health, obesity, suicide . . . The Church is not immune from these trends; and it becomes further entangled in them to the extent that its youth become caught up in the broader secular disregard for the principles of chastity and self-sacrifice and healthy human relationships.
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    Traveler reacted to mirkwood in A Real Insurrection Now in Arizona   
    Someone is in command on scene.  That is usually a Sgt. or higher and they would make the decision.  There are a lot of factors that go into play in such decisions.  We could play the "what if" game all day long.
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    Traveler reacted to Just_A_Guy in The Reality of State Secession   
    I think you’ve pretty much nailed it.  Zion constructs, Babylon deconstructs.  Zion produces, Babylon consumes.  Zion is inherently orderly, Babylon necessarily chaotic.  Zion produces the milk; Babylon can only skim the cream.  
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    Traveler got a reaction from Vort in The Reality of State Secession   
    The problem is more than just red states verses blue states.  It also tends to be cosmopolitan verses rural.  Even in a very red state like Utah the high population area of downtown Salt Lake City tips towards the blue Democrats.   Manufacturing and agriculture tends to be more red where as tech and medical tend towards blue.  And there are always exceptions.
    I tend to think that the USA will follow more along the lines of Israel and Ireland with pockets of opposition where there are areas where one just does not mix with the other.  Perhaps fashion and style choices will determine with what side one has chosen.
    The prophetic division uses the symbols of Zion and Babylon.   Most of us have a good idea what Babylon looks and acts like - but Zion???  We think of Babylon as the rich and prosperous and Zion as the industrious hard workers.  I can see why the Zion population would not want to be involved with Babylon but I cannot envision why Babylon would be interested in Zion?   All I have to go on comes from the Book of Mormon where the Gadianton Robbers seem to believe that they have the "right" to rule over the workers (Standard Socialists model) telling them what is freedom and liberty is.
     
    The Traveler
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    Traveler got a reaction from scottyg in The Reality of State Secession   
    The problem is more than just red states verses blue states.  It also tends to be cosmopolitan verses rural.  Even in a very red state like Utah the high population area of downtown Salt Lake City tips towards the blue Democrats.   Manufacturing and agriculture tends to be more red where as tech and medical tend towards blue.  And there are always exceptions.
    I tend to think that the USA will follow more along the lines of Israel and Ireland with pockets of opposition where there are areas where one just does not mix with the other.  Perhaps fashion and style choices will determine with what side one has chosen.
    The prophetic division uses the symbols of Zion and Babylon.   Most of us have a good idea what Babylon looks and acts like - but Zion???  We think of Babylon as the rich and prosperous and Zion as the industrious hard workers.  I can see why the Zion population would not want to be involved with Babylon but I cannot envision why Babylon would be interested in Zion?   All I have to go on comes from the Book of Mormon where the Gadianton Robbers seem to believe that they have the "right" to rule over the workers (Standard Socialists model) telling them what is freedom and liberty is.
     
    The Traveler
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    Traveler reacted to Backroads in Primal Instincts of Life (as we understand it)   
    Just today elsewhere I saw someone propose that the rise of the LGBTQ lifestyle was nature's way of culling the species. I largely think most of it's a cultural trend myself, but it was an interesting idea. But how much, then, does nature want to cull? "Children of Men"'s civilization lost childbirth for around 20 years and it was a social/political disaster. Fictional, sure, but it can be considered. 
    Unless we can achieve a working cloning situation in a timely manner to satisfy this Prideful population you speak of, I don't see these Primal Instincts being easily dismissed.
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    Traveler reacted to Carborendum in Primal Instincts of Life (as we understand it)   
    I've heard of this in variant forms, primarily about plain old-fashioned homosexuality specifically.  Since then, I've spent some time thinking about it.  And there may be a logic to it.  But when we bring in the Plan of Salvation into it, the picture changes quite a bit.
    Scientifically, naturally, according to man's understanding:
    It is possible that nature has some mechanism that says that the available elements, nutrients, resources, etc. can only successfully sustain evolutionary natural selection trends to a certain point.  After that point, some nutrient deficiency will trigger a trend of increased non-heterosexual behavior.  Perhaps, a look at all the nutrients required for human biology have a limiting element that specifically effects heterosexual tendencies.
    It's within the realm of reasonableness.
    Counterpoint:
    If we believe only in man's science as described above, then it stands to reason that non-heterosexual individuals are specifically NOT supposed to reproduce.  They are specifically NOT supposed to raise/rear children.  Nature itself is demanding that this be the case.
    So, why would we allow these individuals to propagate the species?  Their argument completely falls apart on their own terms. 
    Yet, trans men are being placed in jail cells with biological women and impregnating them.  Gay couples are being allowed to adopt and use surrogates to make babies just so they can be raised by homosexual couples?
    Consider the Plan of Salvation:
    The Lord has told us:
    Multiply & replenish the earth. There is enough and to spare. If these are both true, then the theory should not be used to justify non-heterosexual behavior.
    Either way, homosexual propagation, raising, or rearing is not justified.
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    Traveler reacted to Carborendum in Primal Instincts of Life (as we understand it)   
    It was a comet that had not been discovered at the time of the transmission.
    https://phys.org/news/2017-06-wow-mystery-space.html
    This was apparently disputed:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wow!_signal
    I have no idea why they cited the second source (New Scientist) as discrediting the comet theory, when it clearly supports it.
    The other two make some good arguments. But they are no stronger than the arguments made by Antonio Paris.  And the biggest problems they have with the comet idea can be explained by the fact that two of them were in the vicinity at the time and there was some interaction.
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    Traveler reacted to Carborendum in Primal Instincts of Life (as we understand it)   
    I can't tell if you're joking.
    You know they figured that out right?
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    Traveler got a reaction from Carborendum in Primal Instincts of Life (as we understand it)   
    With the recent Supreme Court ruling overturning of Roe verses Wade there are strong disagreements on a clear definition of life – especially defining intelligent human life.  There is no explanation in science for why life is so resilient, abundant and diverse on our little planet and yet there is absolutely no evidence that such life exists anywhere else in our vast universe.  I am convinced that we will never find life as we know it anywhere else in the universe. 
    There are several reasons why I have come to this conclusion.  First because our universe is so vast that if there is life as we know it is anywhere else it will be too rare to discover.  I am convinced that that life as we know it cannot naturally exist anywhere else and that the only reason life exists on earth is because a intelligence that we do not comprehend has uniquely manipulated the elements so.  It is impossible for such life to evolve on its own in this universe that is so intrusive to life as we know it.
    I have studied and pondered and have concluded that there are three elements of life that I call primal instincts that must exist of such life to be sustainable and not become extinct – even on this earth – let alone anywhere else in this universe.
    The first primal instinct or element, I call the predator instinct.  Life must seek out and destroy (kill) other life for nutrients needed to survive.  This is a life and death struggle between other (often like kinds) of life that only the most fit will or can survive.  To survive other life must die.
    The second primal instinct or element, I call the territorial protector and defender.  To survive, life must have a strategy to hide from, repel or defeat other life that is either seeking them for their resources or competing with them for the same resources.  In essence more than being a predator, life must have a strategy to protect itself from predators that will kill them. 
    The third primal instinct or element is the drive to reproduce. 
     
    Without these three primal instincts no individual or species is sustainable.  Likewise, should these primal instincts become misused or misdirected the result will be that the individual genetic material will no longer be present in the gene pool and if sufficient individual genetic material is lost from the gene pool the species will become extinct.  Scientifically we classify such individuals and species as “unfit”.  Only the “fittest” genetic (and life instinct or intelligence) survive.  
    It is my opinion that the human genetic material is so vast and diverse that individuals lost from the genetic pool is just not much of a concern at present.  But if succeeding generations are convinced or misdirected from the primal instincts that we must realize that such recruiting efforts place our species on the endangered species list.  As will all life as we know it – we are only a generation away from intinction.  I have no problem or concern with anyone pursuing a LGBTQ+ lifestyle.  But I am concerned (opposed) if such lifestyle is to become “Prideful” and in any way presented as a beneficial sustainable optional lifestyle for a species.
     
    The Traveler
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    Traveler got a reaction from Vort in This is probably a controversial topic, but I can't help it [College Football topic].   
    - Sleeping -- In most cases I sleep until I wake up.  If something is critical I am more concerned about getting to bed than waking up.
    - playing games -- I like playing physical games.  I have great difficulty with games of chance.
    - Studying religious topics -- I love studying anything religious, scientific, political or social.  Most such writing is not well founded in logic.  Most religious material quotes about 1% of related scripture and lots of opinions (but only the opinions that agree with the intended premise)  - very little raw data (historical or research).  One exception was Hugh Nibley.  I usually avoid currently written stuff and tend towards stuff that has remained reverent for at least 50 years.  It is interesting that 99% of the climate stuff from 50 years ago was concerned about triggering a new ice age.  As per religious arguments (Christian) almost all arguments (controversies) are logically referenced in the Gospel of John with Jesus Christ dealing with the Scribes and Pharisees. 
    A favorite scripture about religious things is Ecclesiastes chapter 1:
    It is called the New Testament but all things testified of in the New Testament were testified of in previous ancient texts.  It seems to me that whatever a person can religiously fantasize they can justify somewhere in Biblical scripture.
     
    The Traveler
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    Traveler got a reaction from Vort in The Voice of the People   
    I have often wondered how in the Book of Mormon that Satan was able to take control of the hearts of a once free society and drive them to such bitter hatred that they would delight in the taking of the blood of those they hated.  In contrast to Satan's dominating hatred -- Jesus gives us the concept of loving those that bitterly hate us and seek violence against us.   However, loving our enemies is not the solution that many think it is.  Loving our enemies does not guarantee that the violence of the wicked against the righteous will subside nor prevent the loss of righteous lives nor the suffering of the righteous.  Loving others will only shield the righteous from Satan taking control of their hearts and minds.
    For me it is difficult to think of protecting myself and others from those that intend to do me harm without feeling anger to some degree against them.  I am concerned that whatever news outlet we watch that the hidden agenda is to seek maledictions of perceived enemies.   I am concerned that even those that are right in the justice they seek are more centered on revenge as the solution than peace through understanding.  Many - including those that post on this forum - do not believe that the trend in this country is towards increasing violence and the bitterness that ends the freedoms and liberties of a once free society.  
    The sad truth is that a angry and hateful society cannot abide freedoms and liberties.  Freedom and liberty can only abide in a compassionate society.  I believe we need to realize, or at least hope that the left leaning mobs do not actually seek to directly initiate violence but rather to provoke violence to justify what is planned in the name of putting down the violence.  Perhaps, there is still opportunity to resolve issues - at least among some even if they are few.  I believe this is a time for disciples of Christ to be more Christ like.  Not to win any cause of justice but rather in the hope of winning another soul - even it is only our own. 
     
    The Traveler
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    Traveler got a reaction from mirkwood in Supreme court gun case   
    Victory for human rights and liberties!  
    I have long believed that as a freedom loving society we need to quit demonizing responsible gun ownership by law abiding citizens.  As a side note - in my youth; the parents I knew would never allow their children to handle fire arms until they completed (and passed) a gun safety course.  In Utah growing up it was required to prove you had completed (and passed) a gun safety course to obtain a hunting license.   The only respected and acceptable gun safety courses were taught by the NRA.  I have always believed that the NRA should be responsible and teach a gun safety course in our public schools as part of required course work.
     
    The Traveler
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    Traveler got a reaction from Backroads in Supreme court gun case   
    Victory for human rights and liberties!  
    I have long believed that as a freedom loving society we need to quit demonizing responsible gun ownership by law abiding citizens.  As a side note - in my youth; the parents I knew would never allow their children to handle fire arms until they completed (and passed) a gun safety course.  In Utah growing up it was required to prove you had completed (and passed) a gun safety course to obtain a hunting license.   The only respected and acceptable gun safety courses were taught by the NRA.  I have always believed that the NRA should be responsible and teach a gun safety course in our public schools as part of required course work.
     
    The Traveler
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    Traveler got a reaction from LDSGator in Supreme court gun case   
    Victory for human rights and liberties!  
    I have long believed that as a freedom loving society we need to quit demonizing responsible gun ownership by law abiding citizens.  As a side note - in my youth; the parents I knew would never allow their children to handle fire arms until they completed (and passed) a gun safety course.  In Utah growing up it was required to prove you had completed (and passed) a gun safety course to obtain a hunting license.   The only respected and acceptable gun safety courses were taught by the NRA.  I have always believed that the NRA should be responsible and teach a gun safety course in our public schools as part of required course work.
     
    The Traveler
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    Traveler reacted to LDSGator in Supreme court gun case   
    https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/06/23/us/gun-control-supreme-court-ny
     
    Major victory for gun rights! 
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    Traveler reacted to Ironhold in Sunday School   
    Once upon a time I spent about 18 months teaching the Gospel Principles class. 
    Officially, I was to go through the book on an endless cycle to ensure that everyone got the full load of lessons before moving into regular Sunday school.
    In reality, I'd start each Sunday by asking if anyone had any questions, and several times it so happened that *answering* that question took the entire scheduled block. 
    Other times it'd happen that I'd have to spend 2 - 3 Sundays on the same lesson because there was *that* much for someone new to try and comprehend, and they needed the help understanding it. 
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    Traveler reacted to Vort in MacArthur Park   
    All the sweet, green icing flowing down. I don't think that I can take it.
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    Traveler reacted to laronius in Climbing   
    I really do like that imagery of climbing/ascending up to be with the Lord, whether climbing a mountain or ladder. Perhaps it's because of my enjoyment of hiking but the mental image of leaving the world and all of it's sordidness behind and rising above it all really brings into focus what our goal in the gospel should be, a spiritual destination that we should be looking to. Perhaps this is the earthly version of entering into the rest of the Lord we are commanded to seek.
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    Traveler reacted to laronius in Climbing   
    I think you are right. Those verses would actually be a good footnote reference in the scriptures. 
    If this is the case then Moses 7:53 is clearly tying together the covenants of salvation and exaltation.
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    Traveler got a reaction from laronius in Climbing   
    I would think that the symbolism in climb is synonymous with "ascend".   See Psalm 24:3-4:
    I believe that verse 4 is in direct reference to covenants - which currently are part of our temple worship.
     
    The Traveler
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    Traveler reacted to laronius in Climbing   
    I guess this would be similar to some of our temples where you actually progress upward as you go through with the end indeed being "up by" Him.
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    Traveler reacted to Carborendum in It appears Roe Vs. Wade is about to be overturned.   
    Here is the proof that this was not an insurrection.  The government suspended habeas corpus AGAINST ITS OWN CITIZENS and no one is able to stop it.  They are imprisoned in solitary confinement without a chance for bail or counsel.
    When the government resorts to injustice to make their point, they've already proven that their point is not worthy of the justice system.
    When there is a conflict between parties who both cry out that the other side is the offender, one need only ask: "Who is using injustice as a weapon?"