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    Traveler got a reaction from Just_A_Guy in Gays and the church   
    Also for @Just_A_Guy and others.  We are told in scripture that "everything" has an opposite - or in other words opposition.  I will propose a thought about "sexual" relationships and why there is such differences or opposition.  To begin there is a divine law essential to becoming a "Celestial" being - living Celestial law and becoming "one" with G-d.  This Law we are taught in the temple of G-d and is called the Law of Chastity.  This law is given as commandment to govern two aspects of human relationships that have eternal consequence.  The first defines marriage between a man and a woman under covenant to become "one" flesh.  I will leave the meaning of this to the reader.  The second defines chastity, not as the absents of what we call sexual activity but rather what is divine sexual activity which is that which is shared between a legally married man and woman covenanting together with G-d. 
    We are warned over and over again that in opposition to the work and glory (to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man) that it is the work and glory of Satan to bring to pass the immorality and infernal life of man.  I believe word have meaning and one word used to describe Satan is the term slanderer.  To slander is not just to lie to or about someone - to slander is intended to bring harm.  Thus Satan slanders sacred intimacy (sex under covenant of divine marriage) to cause harm to anyone that listens to his slanderous temptations.    I would point out that there is a parallel in science that also discredits elicit sexual tendencies with the scientific term of "unfit" which is opposition to the scientific phrase of "survival of the fittest" in specific reference to  viable "Natural Selection".  In other words science clearly defines what is fit concerning NATURAL SELECTION.
    But we have learned that a statement by Brigham Young applies very much to this - he said:  "When personal pleasure is involved, reason is thrown out the window."  Or something to that effect.  I personally have great difficulty in exhibiting love and compassion as opposed to enabling or to some degree - supporting stupidity. 
     
    The Traveler
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    Traveler got a reaction from pam in What happened to the Third Hour articles?   
    My impression of you as a person has just taken a giant leap.   My parents taught me as a youth the the character of a person is most on display when they are doing things when they do not have to.  For the record I have a Facebook account but I have never used it and it has been years since I have logged in - I will never log in because I have lost and forgotten it and do not care.  Thank you for your efforts in managing this site.
     
    The Traveler
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    Traveler got a reaction from Just_A_Guy in Gays and the church   
    Also for @Just_A_Guy and others.  We are told in scripture that "everything" has an opposite - or in other words opposition.  I will propose a thought about "sexual" relationships and why there is such differences or opposition.  To begin there is a divine law essential to becoming a "Celestial" being - living Celestial law and becoming "one" with G-d.  This Law we are taught in the temple of G-d and is called the Law of Chastity.  This law is given as commandment to govern two aspects of human relationships that have eternal consequence.  The first defines marriage between a man and a woman under covenant to become "one" flesh.  I will leave the meaning of this to the reader.  The second defines chastity, not as the absents of what we call sexual activity but rather what is divine sexual activity which is that which is shared between a legally married man and woman covenanting together with G-d. 
    We are warned over and over again that in opposition to the work and glory (to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man) that it is the work and glory of Satan to bring to pass the immorality and infernal life of man.  I believe word have meaning and one word used to describe Satan is the term slanderer.  To slander is not just to lie to or about someone - to slander is intended to bring harm.  Thus Satan slanders sacred intimacy (sex under covenant of divine marriage) to cause harm to anyone that listens to his slanderous temptations.    I would point out that there is a parallel in science that also discredits elicit sexual tendencies with the scientific term of "unfit" which is opposition to the scientific phrase of "survival of the fittest" in specific reference to  viable "Natural Selection".  In other words science clearly defines what is fit concerning NATURAL SELECTION.
    But we have learned that a statement by Brigham Young applies very much to this - he said:  "When personal pleasure is involved, reason is thrown out the window."  Or something to that effect.  I personally have great difficulty in exhibiting love and compassion as opposed to enabling or to some degree - supporting stupidity. 
     
    The Traveler
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    Traveler reacted to romans8 in The unclean   
    If God is the father of both Christ and Satan through procreation with a heavenly mother, then
    there should be no cause for concern for they would indeed be spirit brothers.
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    Traveler reacted to Vort in Harry Reid memorial service: Chuck Schumer quotes 2 Nephi   
    I was joking. Traveler's response to your statement seemed almost a restatement of your words, so I thought I'd give yet another restatement and remark on how different all our near-identical answers were.
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    Traveler got a reaction from NeuroTypical in Muslims and LDS: Beliefs, Values, and Lifestyles   
    Having spent time with those of Islamic faith - I believe we have more in common with our Islamic cousins than we do with our Traditional Christian cousins.  Perhaps the most power tool to convince our Islamic friends how close our religions are to each other is the Book of Mormon.  I agreed to read the Quran if a Muslim would read the Book of Mormon.  What I discovered is that the Quran is quite difficult to to read without constant input to help me understand context and intent.  But more to my surprise I discovered that Muslims (especially from the Middle East) understand many things about the Book of Mormon than most members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.  For example: Many members struggle with Nephi cutting of the head of Laban because G-d commanded him.  A devoted life long Muslim reads this in the Book of Mormon as a witness that to them that the Book of Mormon is of G-d and that Nephi was a prophet called by G-d.  They agree that the sword of Laban would then become a sacred relic.   That the sword was then presented to Joseph Smith is a witness to them that Joseph Smith was a prophet called by G-d.
    As another thought I was having a discussion about Sharia Law with a Muslim from Bahrain that was temporally living in Utah.  We agreed that no nation on earth fully implements Sharia Law so I asked him where in the world I could go to see the best example of a society living Sharia Law.  After thinking for a while my friend said - Here in Utah in the predominate LDS cities.
    Last thought - Muslims believe that at the end of time that Mohamad with come with Jesus to unite Christians and Muslims to restore all the laws and ordinances of G-d's truth.  The idea of a restoration is something that is very interesting to them.
     
    The Traveler
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    Traveler got a reaction from JohnsonJones in Harry Reid memorial service: Chuck Schumer quotes 2 Nephi   
    good to talk to you.  Just as a clarification - all things that G-d resides over are referenced in the scriptures as "Kingdoms" - including the "kingdoms" of glory in the resurrection.  It is my understanding that all societies of this world (except that which is sealed by the Holy Ghost) are corrupted and will have an end and will not endure.  If re rely on our understanding of governments of this world from which to draw a comparison - I believe the comparison will be lacking.  It is hard for me to realize how citizens of a kingdom will be free and have liberty - but I think that in the restoration of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints that we have possibly the best example.
     
    The Traveler
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    Traveler got a reaction from NeuroTypical in Muslims and LDS: Beliefs, Values, and Lifestyles   
    Having spent time with those of Islamic faith - I believe we have more in common with our Islamic cousins than we do with our Traditional Christian cousins.  Perhaps the most power tool to convince our Islamic friends how close our religions are to each other is the Book of Mormon.  I agreed to read the Quran if a Muslim would read the Book of Mormon.  What I discovered is that the Quran is quite difficult to to read without constant input to help me understand context and intent.  But more to my surprise I discovered that Muslims (especially from the Middle East) understand many things about the Book of Mormon than most members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.  For example: Many members struggle with Nephi cutting of the head of Laban because G-d commanded him.  A devoted life long Muslim reads this in the Book of Mormon as a witness that to them that the Book of Mormon is of G-d and that Nephi was a prophet called by G-d.  They agree that the sword of Laban would then become a sacred relic.   That the sword was then presented to Joseph Smith is a witness to them that Joseph Smith was a prophet called by G-d.
    As another thought I was having a discussion about Sharia Law with a Muslim from Bahrain that was temporally living in Utah.  We agreed that no nation on earth fully implements Sharia Law so I asked him where in the world I could go to see the best example of a society living Sharia Law.  After thinking for a while my friend said - Here in Utah in the predominate LDS cities.
    Last thought - Muslims believe that at the end of time that Mohamad with come with Jesus to unite Christians and Muslims to restore all the laws and ordinances of G-d's truth.  The idea of a restoration is something that is very interesting to them.
     
    The Traveler
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    Traveler got a reaction from pam in What happened to the Third Hour articles?   
    My impression of you as a person has just taken a giant leap.   My parents taught me as a youth the the character of a person is most on display when they are doing things when they do not have to.  For the record I have a Facebook account but I have never used it and it has been years since I have logged in - I will never log in because I have lost and forgotten it and do not care.  Thank you for your efforts in managing this site.
     
    The Traveler
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    Traveler reacted to LDSGator in Harry Reid memorial service: Chuck Schumer quotes 2 Nephi   
    I think His return and how He will rule is beyond human comprehension. Like most of us here, I believe and hope He will return, but I don’t know the details of it.
    I’m very confident though that those of us who make it there will be stunned and humbled by who we also see there, and who we don’t see. 
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    Traveler got a reaction from NeuroTypical in Gays and the church   
    Please allow me to explain my question - for this I will use another topic or choice but I think the basic principles are still the same.  Before I get into the deep part of this - I would reference a discussion I had with a friend and police detective.  We were talking about the "criminal mind" and he told me that humans are social animals and the so called criminal mind (with the exception of individuals with severe mental issues) will not continue or continue behaviors without being enabled by others.  Even the most atrocious behavior will not continue unless there is a some kind of support for that behavior.   In essence, intelligent species learn behaviors - both by individual experience (like touching something hot) and the reaction of others (like smelling so badly that others will shun or pull away).
    So for my example: let us take a single young man and a single young lady, both returned missionaries that are at the very beginning of establishing a "social" relationship - both looking for a compatible eternal partner (spouse).   But during their "dating" process the young man realizes that the young lady that he dearly likes and respects is into faction and likes wearing classy outfits that are not compatible with the wearing of temple garments.  The young man does want to continue to develop their relationship but how does he deal with the lady's fashion trend realizing that handled improperly - it could be a relationship breaker.  In short how can he deal with what he believes is disrespect for temple covenants without alienating the young lady?  Also keeping in mind that each individual has their Agency.  We can also apply this issue across many relationships both in families and friends - how can we maintain loving relationships when there are conflicts with sacred covenants without encouraging the offending party that their behavior is not okay.  Where is the line that someone crosses before we are willing to say - you should not be doing whatever it is that is not okay.
    For myself - I tend to lack what my wife calls filters and indicate that I am uncomfortable with their attitudes towards that which makes me uncomfortable.  In other words I have difficulty with dishonesty with my own feelings and it is hard for me to hide my impressions - even if I am trying not to offend.
     
    The Traveler
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    Traveler got a reaction from pam in What happened to the Third Hour articles?   
    My impression of you as a person has just taken a giant leap.   My parents taught me as a youth the the character of a person is most on display when they are doing things when they do not have to.  For the record I have a Facebook account but I have never used it and it has been years since I have logged in - I will never log in because I have lost and forgotten it and do not care.  Thank you for your efforts in managing this site.
     
    The Traveler
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    Traveler got a reaction from pam in What happened to the Third Hour articles?   
    My impression of you as a person has just taken a giant leap.   My parents taught me as a youth the the character of a person is most on display when they are doing things when they do not have to.  For the record I have a Facebook account but I have never used it and it has been years since I have logged in - I will never log in because I have lost and forgotten it and do not care.  Thank you for your efforts in managing this site.
     
    The Traveler
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    Traveler got a reaction from pam in What happened to the Third Hour articles?   
    My impression of you as a person has just taken a giant leap.   My parents taught me as a youth the the character of a person is most on display when they are doing things when they do not have to.  For the record I have a Facebook account but I have never used it and it has been years since I have logged in - I will never log in because I have lost and forgotten it and do not care.  Thank you for your efforts in managing this site.
     
    The Traveler
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    Traveler reacted to pam in What happened to the Third Hour articles?   
    Almost a year ago the Board of Directors that is over the More Good Foundation made a decision that only certain projects would continue to be funded.  It had to meet a certain criteria.  Third Hour was not one of those that made the cut and therefore no funding.  We have left the site open and we still post to the Third Hour facebook page because there were almost 100K followers to the fb page.  
    They have also allocated more money for international projects since there are now more members out of the U.S. than in.
    As of right now there isn't a plan to shut it down and I have been promised that when that decision is made I will have notice to be able to inform those on the forum.  @Traveler I have been the one running this forum for several years and yes I post here.  I don't own the forum so therefore I have to go with the decisions made by the Board of Directors.  
    Even my project of Ask Gramps that I have managed since "gramps" passed away in 2008 has had funding taken away.  
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    Traveler reacted to mirkwood in Harry Reid memorial service: Chuck Schumer quotes 2 Nephi   
    When he returns, the Kingdom of God is a theocracy, headed by our savior.
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    Traveler got a reaction from JohnsonJones in A Pentacostal Reads the BoM   
    It seems that Jesus had the same problem with the traditions of the Pharisees and Scribes. 
     
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    Traveler got a reaction from JohnsonJones in A Pentacostal Reads the BoM   
    I believe it is also important to look at things from a historical perspective.  When our church fled from the USA (around 150 years ago) there were no ministers (with the rare exceptions of a Catholic father in Nauvoo) that publicly indicated any sorrow or regret over the religious reasons for the members leaving the USA.  My personal experience while in the military (especially among more fundamental Protestants) was that LDS (like myself) were not Christian and deserve scorn and isolation. 
    It would seem that there has been an evolution towards something much better and I must admit that if it had not been form my experiences with you - I would not have believed anything kind was taking place to the extent it has.  One last thought - it does appear to me that the evolution of political and social things is trending so that those of any religious stripe must find what ever safety of thought among themselves.
     
    The Traveler
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    Traveler got a reaction from Backroads in Harry Reid memorial service: Chuck Schumer quotes 2 Nephi   
    It is my understanding that Senator Harry Reid is a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in "Good" standing.
     
    The Traveler
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    Traveler got a reaction from JohnsonJones in A Pentacostal Reads the BoM   
    It seems that Jesus had the same problem with the traditions of the Pharisees and Scribes. 
     
    The Traveler
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    Traveler got a reaction from JohnsonJones in A Pentacostal Reads the BoM   
    I believe it is also important to look at things from a historical perspective.  When our church fled from the USA (around 150 years ago) there were no ministers (with the rare exceptions of a Catholic father in Nauvoo) that publicly indicated any sorrow or regret over the religious reasons for the members leaving the USA.  My personal experience while in the military (especially among more fundamental Protestants) was that LDS (like myself) were not Christian and deserve scorn and isolation. 
    It would seem that there has been an evolution towards something much better and I must admit that if it had not been form my experiences with you - I would not have believed anything kind was taking place to the extent it has.  One last thought - it does appear to me that the evolution of political and social things is trending so that those of any religious stripe must find what ever safety of thought among themselves.
     
    The Traveler
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    Traveler got a reaction from askandanswer in 2 Nephi 24: 21   
    I would point out that just because someone is suffering (as we all do) that it is not always punishment.  Even within the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints there is sometimes a false doctrine circulated that those that suffer are being punished and those that seem to breeze through everything are blessed.
     
    The Traveler
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    Traveler got a reaction from JohnsonJones in Harry Reid memorial service: Chuck Schumer quotes 2 Nephi   
    I just finished reading the Church publication Saints Volume 2.  It was somewhat of a surprise to learn that historically the "Saints" have had great problems with the Republican party beginning with President Lincoln.  As bad as I have thought the Democrats have trampled on the rights and liberties of US citizens - it does not hold a candle to what the Republican party has done to thwart religious freedoms pointed directly at the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.  In the past I was under the impressions that president Lincoln was somewhat sympathetic towards our early church.  I now wonder if the L-rd allowed the assignation of Lincoln as a means to preserve the Church.
    In general - I personally distrust anyone with strong political party ties but I have thought that if there is any degree of one party being a better party (more reflective to preserve freedoms and liberties) I have thought it more likely to be something of interest to the Republican party.  The more I learn of the insides of political parties the more I dislike them - and this is in contrast to my father that was a strong and powerful Republican party member.
    I do not know how Harry Reid could conform to the Democrat party and remain loyal to his covenants - but then I also has very big issues with Senator Orrin Hatch.  I do not know why either was allowed to have photo opps with general authorities. 
    But then the Church goes through great lengths to be politically neutral.   I try to follow that example but more often than not I end up feeling that I am not being honest with myself (especially concerning prominent Democrats).  I seriously believe that Jesus will do away with political parties when he returns. 
     
    The Traveler
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    Traveler got a reaction from JohnsonJones in Harry Reid memorial service: Chuck Schumer quotes 2 Nephi   
    Surprise, surprise - we can find kind hearted, G-d fearing people in all sorts or places - despite political affiliation or career choices.   Realizing that there are always exceptions to the norm.
     
    the Traveler
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    Traveler got a reaction from askandanswer in 2 Nephi 24: 21   
    I would point out that just because someone is suffering (as we all do) that it is not always punishment.  Even within the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints there is sometimes a false doctrine circulated that those that suffer are being punished and those that seem to breeze through everything are blessed.
     
    The Traveler