RMGuy Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 Makes sense. My understanding is that the Provo temple is the most heavily utilized in the church. -RM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenamarie Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 Considering it's right across from the MTC and BYU, I don't doubt it's crowded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEdge Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 I've always found it amazing that the new temple locations are kept so secret. No rumors come out about them or anything... When President Monson announced the new Provo temple today, everyone was so surprised. No one expected that. I think it goes to show how truly sacred these buildings are, that we don't know - we can't even guess - where the next temples are going to be. The Lord knows where His houses are needed, and He will tell our Prophet when it is time to reveal those locations to us. Amazing work is done in those temples and I cannot wait to visit the new Provo Temple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEdge Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 And yes, the Provo Utah temple is probably the most heavily used temple in the entire Church. I'm sure there are many others that come close to the number of people visiting it to do work each day. Every day there are missionaries from the Provo MTC going through it to do sessions. Every day there are students from BYU doing work there. Every day there are people going through it for the first time, to take out their own endowments. Every day there are people doing baptisms for the dead. Not to mention all the weddings and sealings going on. I've tried to go to an endowment session by just walking in and it was completely packed. It's a temple you've got to call in for an appointment to go to, for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questioning_seeker Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 I've always thought that the community should provide community facilities and that the church should provide church facilities. I don't see what the issue is here, and who are we to question or complain or adversely comment about where temples should be built? If the people of Provo feel the need for a new community facility, there are ways by which that purpose can be accomplished, and I would have thought that relying on the church to meet that need, if it is indeed a need, is not the best way. I know any new temple is a good thing but it seems to me that this is not even a Utah only issue, this is mostly just a Provo only issue, so why all the fuss? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vort Posted October 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 I've always thought that the community should provide community facilities and that the church should provide church facilities. I don't see what the issue is here, and who are we to question or complain or adversely comment about where temples should be built? If the people of Provo feel the need for a new community facility, there are ways by which that purpose can be accomplished, and I would have thought that relying on the church to meet that need, if it is indeed a need, is not the best way. I know any new temple is a good thing but it seems to me that this is not even a Utah only issue, this is mostly just a Provo only issue, so why all the fuss?I don't think there is any fuss, except from those who wish to fuss in any case. I expect that most people, LDS and non-LDS, are perfectly happy with the announced temple, or else they don't care. There will always be a few who just have to voice a complaint about anything that happens; these are best ignored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pam Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 I was thinking of the Draper temple, being in south Salt Lake and probably serving down to Lehi as part of its district, and accidentally repeated myself. My point was that there are already three temples serving the area just south of the point of the mountain. The Mt Timp temple is what I used to call the AmFork temple. The Draper temple's district includes Draper and Sandy stakes. It doesn't include anything south of Draper. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vort Posted October 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 The Draper temple's district includes Draper and Sandy stakes. It doesn't include anything south of Draper. :)In that case, I think there are only two temples serving that area (unless I'm missing the Lehi, Springville, or Spanish Fork temples), which makes an additional Provo temple all the more appealing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just_A_Guy Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 No; just the Payson temple under construction. Of course, the Maeser Building on BYU campus was built on land originally earmarked for a temple when Provo was first settled. (I don't believe the site was ever formally dedicated, though). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obolus Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 If I had never been to Provo and knew nothing about its history, I suspect that an LDS temple would make perfect sense on the corner of Center Street and University. That said, I echo HeThePrimate's sentiments in losing any degree of our old culture and heritage. I don't necessarily agree that the building should be rebuilt into what it was, but I do feel that we have lost or sold far too many of our older church buildings. I've heard talk of bishops and stake presidents standing in front of bulldozers in Coalville when the Church opted to demolish the Coalville Tabernacle. There is an old ward house that is utterly exotic and fantastic looking just north of the Conference Center that has been sold and left in disrepair. You can see pics of it at this excellent site:Salt Lake 24th Ward LDS ARCHITECTUREOur old architecture is important, especially now that the wardhouse building process has become so streamlined and generic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annewandering Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 For those who are upset that the building will be rebuilt as a temple I have to ask. Which do you prefer? A temple or for it to be torn down? It is going to be a huge expense as it is so it needs to be rebuilt with a very positive use in mind. Museums etc are nice but not really the churches business and we NEEDED a temple there so its a good blend of rebuilding and making it pay for itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just_A_Guy Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 You know, one other aspect of this is that once the new Provo Temple is done, it will be much easier for the Church to temporarily close the existing Provo temple if it wants to give it the same kind of makeover as is now being done in Ogden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annewandering Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 We used to have a tabernacle here. After the stake center was built it was unused and became dangerous. Finally it caught fire and burned to the ground. It was devastating to the town. I always used to think it would have made a beautiful small temple. When I see what they are doing to the remnants of the Provo temple it is bittersweet to know that at least that tabernacle is going to be restored beyond its original beauty. What a blessing that is to that valley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pam Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 The announcement reminds me of 2 talks that were given yesterday that confirms to me that the decision was a right one. One was Elder Clayton's talk on the growth of the church. The church continues to increase in membership all the time. The growth in some areas has been astounding. The second was Elder Bednar's talk about the spirit of Elijah. How we should teach our youth to do family history and do it ourselves. If all were fully engaged in this work they wouldn't be able to build temples fast enough for all the work that could be done. To me the priority of the temple was upper most in their minds when the decision was made. When the tabernacle burned down it was left as nothing but a shell of a building. Complete restoration and building would have to be done. Wouldn't the tithing funds be more appropriately spent on the work that could bring salvation to so many and in keeping with the Spirit of Elijah? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mordorbund Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 Seems a little suspicious that with Provo's need for another temple the tabernacle conveniently burns down. Mighty suspicious indeed. I'll make it a point to be at the groundbreaking looking for the culprit with the shifty eyes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 Yeah, whatever.It used to be a beautiful forum for public, community-oriented events. Now the community as a whole will be shut out for good, and it will be used only by temple recommend-holding Mormons. Now, I am a temple-recommend holding Mormon, and so I could go in, but I think it's rather sad to see the building repurposed in such a way that the public will no longer be able to use it. Call me crazy, but that's the way I see it.You make a good point, no matter what some of the hoi polloi on this thread say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vort Posted October 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 You make a good point, no matter what some of the hoi polloi on this thread say.At least Snow has finally classified me correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traveler Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 I grew up in Provo and am will acquainted with the history and the problems. Since I am invested in property near by - I should be very happy $$$$. But this does not make sense to me and not for any reasons stated so far. The buildings around Center and University are very old. There use to be a Penny’s store and Sears nearby that were torn down decades ago. Most of the buildings that remain in that area are mostly old and nowhere close to decent earth quake code or any other decent code.Foundations, plumbing, electrical and structural integrity of 80% of the buildings within a mile radius is frightful to say the least. Much of the construction was 1920’s and before. My problem is that this seems to me to be putting a shingle on a pup tent. Very little of the property around this temple is worth updating. We are talking about a lot of area that is not much better construction than was the tabernacle. The area will have a hard time supporting the changes that should take place. The temple will not be very big and thus cannot handle much volume and where is anybody going to park? The Traveler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleWyvern Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 (edited) With parking considerations I'd imagine that most people will take the bus over. Six bus routes (801, 802, 811, 830, 833, and the 850) already have a stop right next to it. EDIT: Speaking of the 833, it might be a famous route since it will have stops on two temples. Edited October 3, 2011 by LittleWyvern Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questioning_seeker Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 Our old architecture is important, especially now that the wardhouse building process has become so streamlined and generic. How will we have any old architecture to admire in the future if we don't start building it now? (A flippant and silly comment, but I couldn't resist) :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenamarie Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 I thought I read in one of the articles linked that parking was going to be underground? (or maybe that was just someones idea on Facebook. I get those two mixed up. ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connie Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 Plans for Provo Tabernacle a 'win' for the city, mayor says | ksl.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenRaines Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 The Provo temple operates at full capacity almost every hour that it is open. With the MTC and BYU there it leaves little time for the residents of the area. Another temple in Provo will be welcomed. Ben Raines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vort Posted October 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 The Provo temple operates at full capacity almost every hour that it is open. With the MTC and BYU there it leaves little time for the residents of the area. Another temple in Provo will be welcomed.Ben RainesApparently you haven't been paying attention, Ben. The new Provo Temple is an unfortunate loss of a cherished Provo landmark. The Church leaders are being obtuse and shortsighted in daring to construct a temple (ptui!) out of the wonderful multicultural center that was the Provo tabernacle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarginOfError Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 Well, I'm with HEP. I think it's sad that the community is losing access to the tabernacle. On the other hand, buying new property that is so accessible to such a large population of temple goers is really, really expensive. This makes perfect sense, and I can't fault them for that. Also, some might wonder why they didn't go ahead and do this before, but converting a tabernacle to a temple is hard work architecturally and can be prohibitively expensive. I can't imagine it's any more expensive to make the conversion after fire damage than it is to restore the tabernacle, so they may as well do it now. I don't know what the plan is, but I imagine the ideal solution would be to tear down the existing structure and rebuild it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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